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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 00:28 GMT
#1
Bllarrgghhhh...

Traveling sucks. But I try to make the best of my random ventures around the west coast as of late. So to preface all of this:

-Not much sleep night before due to randomly getting insomnia at hotel.
-4 or so hours sitting in airport due to delayed flight.
-3 hour flight on which I couldn't really sleep

So anyway, I land and scurry off the plane as fast as I possibly can. Rush rush rush go go go bathroom rush rush rush go go go taxis! As I approach the big pile of cabs, the closest driver waves me over. I hand him my luggage, he piles it in the back, and turns back to me to ask my destination. "Cottonwood resorts," I tell him, "do you need the address?"

English is clearly not his strong point. "No... no I know where go."

So I hop in, and we pull out of the airport and start driving. Less than a minute down the road he turns the meter on and says "Oh, forgot meter, first mile free."

"No complaints here!" I reply. Whoooo.

He starts fiddling with his GPS navigator. Goes to hotels, enters "Cotonwod", and presses search. It takes him about a full minute to type this in, as he does so in between randomly changing lanes and drifting around a bit. I get a bit nervous, as he's clearly not watching the road well enough, but whatever, he's still alive, right? We'll be fine.

Naturally, no search results pop up on his gps. I contemplate informing him of his spelling errors, but I figured it might be kinda rude, as he obviously can't spell for shit. He tries again. "Cotton..." huzzah, he remembered the 2nd T. And then finishes with, I shit you not, "wud". No results again.

"Would the address help?" I ask. "nono" he replies.

A minute later he asks, "What is number?"

"Pardon?"
"Address number."

I give it to him. It ends in a 0, which is right above the "back button". I then watch him as he types the city name, hits next, (all the while paying little attention to the road, drifting occasionally into another lane, etc), types the number, and misses the '0' button and hits back. He tries again. Same result. And again. And again, I shit you not, repeats the *same* mistake a 4th time, looking increasingly confused by the minute.

BBABSHSHSHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRNNNNNNNT. The wheels drift onto those grooves in the side of the road to wake you up if you're drifting.

"Would you like me to type it?" At this point, I'm getting kind of nervous.

"No no". On the 5th attempt, he succeeds, and we're finally navigating successfully to my destination. Phew. Eventually we arrive.

"Hokai sweetie here we are."

Sweetie? Really? Not particularly fond of being addressed as such by a strange man I don't know, but whatever, it's been a long day, and I'm just glad I arrived in one piece.

The meter shows $25.37. I hand him $6 as tip, (he clearly isn't doing too well in life), and then pass him 2 20's and ask for change.

"How much you want pay?" he says, half question half statement.
"Huh? Um, the fare...?"
"Should be about 40."
"Uh, the meter says 25"
"Yes but it should be closer to 40."
"No. The meter says 25."
"Oh you give me 46."
"No, that's", (pointing at the singles I gave him), "for you. This is to pay the fare. Can I get my change please."
"How much you want back."
"Um, 14.63?"
"No no meter should be about 40. I forget turn on early"
"You turned the meter on less than a mile from the airport. Where are you getting that extra 15?"
"Yes sweetheart, but trip this far should be 40."

Sweetheart now? Classy.

"No, I'm paying what it says on the meter."
He looks upset.
"Fine. How much change you want."
"40, minus the fare. You owe me 14.63"

He rustles around in his wallet and hands me $15. I bit back a handful of insults, took the money, and got out of the cab. The poor luggage-helper-guy was standing there watching/listening to the whole fiasco, clearly feeling too awkward to say anything.

T_T I should have like, not tipped him at all or something. It's just been a fucking long day. I think I'm going to go spoil myself with a nice dinner or something.

TL;DR I need to learn to be more forceful with strangers. T_T

****
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 24 2011 00:35 GMT
#2
it was nice of you to tip the guy. i'm a little surprised a cabbie would act like that in north america. you might want to phone his company and tell them how he acted on your arrival. that kind of gimmicky half-attempt at extortion has happened to me a number of times when travelling, but yeah, not here.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 24 2011 00:35 GMT
#3
Why do you dislike when strangers address you as "sweetheart", honey?
Isn't it like a compliment that he finds you attractive?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 00:38:34
January 24 2011 00:36 GMT
#4
I REALLY hate when cab drivers only carry 5$ and up, such assholes. Driving is so easy too..

also seriously Shauni? Would you rather be called sweetheart, baby, cutie from someone you don't know or miss, missus, maam?
Fame was like a drug. But what was even more like a drug were the drugs.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
January 24 2011 00:37 GMT
#5
I've been in a similar situation. The cab driver didn't know how to get from Chicago O'Hare to Northwestern University. It was a nightmare ... took way longer than normal and I got to my dorm early in the morning.

It's good you stood your ground (unlike me =/). Report these types of cab drivers if you can.
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
January 24 2011 00:43 GMT
#6
Your blog succeeded in getting Party in the USA stuck in my head

I hopped off the plane at LAX with a dream and my cardigan
Welcome to the land of fame, excess, whoa am I gotta fit in?
Jumped in the cab, here I am for the first time
Look to my right, and I see the Hollywood sign

This is all so crazy, everybody seems so famous
My tummy's turnin' and I'm feelin' kinda homesick
Too much pressure and I'm nervous
That's when the taxi man turned on the radio

And the Jay-Z song was on
And the Jay-Z song was on
And the Jay-Z song was on

So I put my hands up, they're playin' my song
The butterflies fly away
I'm noddin' my head like "Yeah!"
Movin' my hips like "Yeah!"

Got my hands up, they're playin' my song
And now I'm gonna be okay
Yeah! It's a party in the USA!
Yeah! It's a party in the USA!
<3 FlaSh HiyA Stats HoeJJa
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 24 2011 00:44 GMT
#7
Sounds terrible.. Good that you refused to pay extra. I might have just gone with it; I'm not too assertive in those kinds of situations.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 00:47 GMT
#8
On January 24 2011 09:35 Shauni wrote:
Why do you dislike when strangers address you as "sweetheart", honey?
Isn't it like a compliment that he finds you attractive?

Har har.

Yes, in fact, it is a bit annoying from strange older men I don't know.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Tipany
Profile Joined November 2010
United States368 Posts
January 24 2011 00:52 GMT
#9
On January 24 2011 09:36 Terrakin wrote:
I REALLY hate when cab drivers only carry 5$ and up, such assholes. Driving is so easy too..

also seriously Shauni? Would you rather be called sweetheart, baby, cutie from someone you don't know or miss, missus, maam?

It depends if you're a guy or a girl. For some reason it seems demeaning when it's a girl being called those names but if it's a guy (even if it's those names you listed), it's just jokes.

Sucks that you happened to get that guy as your driver. I'm sure the "sweetheart" and "honey" were a lot more annoying considering his poor attitude.
wat.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11584 Posts
January 24 2011 01:07 GMT
#10
hey hun don't forget to come back to DC for some dinners. It should be like $11 sweetie, but that's only after 10.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9516 Posts
January 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#11
Hey, it could be worse.

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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 01:37:50
January 24 2011 01:34 GMT
#12
This is an important message about sexual harassment.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
January 24 2011 02:03 GMT
#13
haha you're too nice, I wouldn't have tipped.

Do you think him starting the meter late and fiddling around with the gps was a way to try and trick you into paying extra from the get-go or did he look totally incompetent as well lol.

Either way we're all glad you got to your destination in one piece! <3
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 02:11 GMT
#14
On January 24 2011 11:03 Masamune wrote:
haha you're too nice, I wouldn't have tipped.

Do you think him starting the meter late and fiddling around with the gps was a way to try and trick you into paying extra from the get-go or did he look totally incompetent as well lol.

Either way we're all glad you got to your destination in one piece! <3

Not quite sure. If I had to guess, I'd say he was just a bit crippled in the head.

On January 24 2011 10:07 CaucasianAsian wrote:
hey hun don't forget to come back to DC for some dinners. It should be like $11 sweetie, but that's only after 10.

Only if you buy me dinner, darlin'.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 24 2011 02:19 GMT
#15
Thats why whenever i pay for something that requires a tip, I'll just do it all at once instead of adding the tip on top ie: Something costs 12 bucks, I'll just give a 20 and say can I get 5 dollars back. Done.

Get back to DC, we need more korean bbq and Chris is a noob
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 02:26 GMT
#16
I'll be back in MD Tuesday night, so, yay. Sooooo looking forward to being home. Past month of travel has killed me. Exhausted, too many hotels/planes, I must absolutely look a fright.

And I just realized a better reply to CA's post would have been "Et tu, Chris?"

Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
January 24 2011 03:28 GMT
#17
If it's a taxi rank at an airport, go to the front of the line, not with the random guy who tries to wave you over. The drivers are supposed to wait their turn, and you usually don't want the driver who is willing to piss all the other drivers off.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
January 24 2011 03:54 GMT
#18
Wow, taxi cab drivers are the lowest of the low in US. For a job where the only qualifications is having eyes and arms, why do they even expect tips? lol? It's not like you're giving me a blowjob while driving the cab or providing any extraordinary service for me, except getting me from point A to point B.

I mean at least in other countries the cabbies that drive you around know the area by heart and don't need GPS to show them the way. If I have to tell a cabby how to get to the destination, then he's getting 0% tip. It's that easy.

And arguing about the cost? What a dick.
I should have like, not tipped him at all or something.

Cabbies don't deserve tips.

Unless they drive you to the airport going twice the speed limit without getting pulled over.
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
January 24 2011 05:11 GMT
#19
Hm, now I feel bad about calling you names like that in the pornography blog a week or two ago... >.>

Where have you been traveling to?
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 05:50 GMT
#20
On January 24 2011 14:11 LazyMacro wrote:
Hm, now I feel bad about calling you names like that in the pornography blog a week or two ago... >.>

Where have you been traveling to?

Anchorage first, then the "San Juan Islands" off coast of Washington state, and now Phoenix. Can't wait to be home though, eesh.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
January 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#21
I can't believe he actually told you it was 40 on the reasoning that he didn't start the meter from the start. Even if he forgot to turn it off and the real meter should be around 40 it was his mistake so you only have to pay for what's on the meter. But then to magically add 15 dollars lol. I'm all for immigrants coming to America to start a new life but seriously people need to choose more carefully on who they hire.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
January 24 2011 06:28 GMT
#22
I would've done the same thing you did, but at the end, after all his bullshit, I would've said you know what, just take what i owe you and just gimme my change ( and not give him any tip). I'm usually a pretty good tipper too, but sometimes people do not deserve that shit.
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
January 24 2011 06:42 GMT
#23
On January 24 2011 14:50 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 14:11 LazyMacro wrote:
Hm, now I feel bad about calling you names like that in the pornography blog a week or two ago... >.>

Where have you been traveling to?

Anchorage first, then the "San Juan Islands" off coast of Washington state, and now Phoenix. Can't wait to be home though, eesh.

Hah, I've gathered you're not a fan of flying. Is it anything in particular?

For me, I think I like traveling because I don't do it frequently. I can see not liking it much if you have to do it a lot. I recently went to Texas, which was my first actual vacation in almost six years, and I loved it, but like I said, I don't travel much so...yeah.

At least try to enjoy your travels. ^_^
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 06:58 GMT
#24
On January 24 2011 15:22 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I can't believe he actually told you it was 40 on the reasoning that he didn't start the meter from the start. Even if he forgot to turn it off and the real meter should be around 40 it was his mistake so you only have to pay for what's on the meter. But then to magically add 15 dollars lol. I'm all for immigrants coming to America to start a new life but seriously people need to choose more carefully on who they hire.

Yeah, it was tough. I initially felt bad for the guy. And then he started failing to spell, driving like a retard, etc.

He's prolly dirt poor with immigrant parents or an immigrant himself... must be hard for him... be understanding... you grew up in rich white suburbia... he didn't... etc etc...

And then he quite blatantly tries to charge me too much...

inner rage buildingggggg..... fffffffuuuuuuuu

etc etc
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
January 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#25
Wow, shit just got racist.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 07:07 GMT
#26
On January 24 2011 15:42 LazyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 14:50 Haemonculus wrote:
On January 24 2011 14:11 LazyMacro wrote:
Hm, now I feel bad about calling you names like that in the pornography blog a week or two ago... >.>

Where have you been traveling to?

Anchorage first, then the "San Juan Islands" off coast of Washington state, and now Phoenix. Can't wait to be home though, eesh.

Hah, I've gathered you're not a fan of flying. Is it anything in particular?

For me, I think I like traveling because I don't do it frequently. I can see not liking it much if you have to do it a lot. I recently went to Texas, which was my first actual vacation in almost six years, and I loved it, but like I said, I don't travel much so...yeah.

At least try to enjoy your travels. ^_^

When I used to fly like once every other year or so, I loved the whole experience. Go to busy airport, buy myself a nice coffee, sit at the terminal on my laptop, people watch, etc. Then the take-off is exciting, the view from the plane is awesome, etc.

Lately though I've made like 7 or 8 flights in the last month, usually carrying way too much luggage with me. Worry about my bags like opening on the plane, all my shit strewn on the runway, (stupid fear, but i worry). Crowded airport, annoying ass little kid banging his toy on the wall very loudly while his parents ignore it, lack of sleep, waiting between flights, taxis, airports, loud, too meny people,a apsfdiuasdfoashdfashdf *rage*

I don't want to fly again for a loonnnggg time.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 07:22:45
January 24 2011 07:18 GMT
#27
I drove cabs before. I should probably write a diary about it.

We had a guy who literally drove people around not knowing where he was heading. No GPS, weak map skills. It's funny but most people pay even when it's clearly a drivers fuckup and the trip turns out to be 15$ more than it should. On the other hand you will get customers that want their exact change back, like 30 cents etc.

You get people that deal drugs out of a cab, you get some horny older women that hit on you at 2 am while you are driving them home, frustrated since nobody picked them up at the bar.

You get to smoke joints with random strangers while you drive, you get invited to house parties. It's crazy.

Your driver was apparently new, shouldn't happen too often. Not sure why he tried to rip you off, maybe he thought he would get in trouble for not turning the meter on in time.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 07:21:10
January 24 2011 07:20 GMT
#28
Hahaha, poor Alex.

Reminds me of a crappy cab experience, where I give the guy my address and he just chooses the first city on the list on his GPS and it ended up being the wrong city. Was in the middle of california so I had NO freaking clue where I was and we're like lalalalalala..

*scrrrrch* okay I can't find this, you sure this here?

Give him the address again and he goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY

and we have to take this epic journey across central california to get to my destination, we ended up passing the airport again on the way to where I was headed. Guy charged me out the nose but I paid because it was an all-company paid expense trip so I didn't give a shit haha.

Edit: @ news, one of my current co-workers drove a cab in New York for a while, god he has some AWESOME stories. Hahahaha.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 07:33:15
January 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#29
On January 24 2011 15:22 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I can't believe he actually told you it was 40 on the reasoning that he didn't start the meter from the start. Even if he forgot to turn it off and the real meter should be around 40 it was his mistake so you only have to pay for what's on the meter. But then to magically add 15 dollars lol. I'm all for immigrants coming to America to start a new life but seriously people need to choose more carefully on who they hire.


This isn't how it works. Driver can call the office and ask about the fare. It doesn't matter what the meter says at that point since he made a mistake. If a dispatcher tells him it's 40$ then it is 40$. He was probably afraid of getting fired on his first day and decided not to call.

On January 24 2011 16:20 Torenhire wrote:
Edit: @ news, one of my current co-workers drove a cab in New York for a while, god he has some AWESOME stories. Hahahaha.


Lol I'm sure he does.
I'd never want to drive in a city, only did some part-time on Cape. Was enough to not want any of that intensity. At least Cape was relatively safe, only complete nut jobs would want to do that in NYC or even Boston.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
January 24 2011 07:31 GMT
#30
There is a big thread on another forum about this(not gonna link cuz its a big poker forum). One of the best responses IMO:

"Here's a helpful PDF from the Nevada Taxicab Authority with some facts about taking a taxi in Las Vegas. It also has the phone number for the Nevada Taxicab Authority. Suggest you have it in your phone if you go to Las Vegas. If you ever get longhauled (see PDF), like via the airport tunnel on the way to a casino on the Strip, then you can pretty much get out of paying the fare altogether if you threaten to report the cabbie, because that's a crime. If they think you're bluffing, well... you're not. They'll get fined, and perhaps fired, if that happens. Just be sure to thank them for the free ride.

If they try the change move, you can always make them wait, with the meter off, while you get change. Every employee working the front door area of a casino has a pocket full of tips, so any one of them can make change. You could even give them the cabbie's tip for making change for you.

For what it's worth, though, 90% of the cabbies in Las Vegas are poker degenerates, so all of that money they con people out of ends up back with us anyway. "


Basically, be prepared if you expect to take a taxi and you are worried about being scammed 10-15 bucks. Find the number for the state(or country) taxicab authority, and prepare to threaten or call them if you feel ripped off.
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 19:58:43
January 24 2011 19:46 GMT
#31
On January 24 2011 16:07 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 15:42 LazyMacro wrote:
On January 24 2011 14:50 Haemonculus wrote:
On January 24 2011 14:11 LazyMacro wrote:
Hm, now I feel bad about calling you names like that in the pornography blog a week or two ago... >.>

Where have you been traveling to?

Anchorage first, then the "San Juan Islands" off coast of Washington state, and now Phoenix. Can't wait to be home though, eesh.

Hah, I've gathered you're not a fan of flying. Is it anything in particular?

For me, I think I like traveling because I don't do it frequently. I can see not liking it much if you have to do it a lot. I recently went to Texas, which was my first actual vacation in almost six years, and I loved it, but like I said, I don't travel much so...yeah.

At least try to enjoy your travels. ^_^

When I used to fly like once every other year or so, I loved the whole experience. Go to busy airport, buy myself a nice coffee, sit at the terminal on my laptop, people watch, etc. Then the take-off is exciting, the view from the plane is awesome, etc.

Lately though I've made like 7 or 8 flights in the last month, usually carrying way too much luggage with me. Worry about my bags like opening on the plane, all my shit strewn on the runway, (stupid fear, but i worry). Crowded airport, annoying ass little kid banging his toy on the wall very loudly while his parents ignore it, lack of sleep, waiting between flights, taxis, airports, loud, too meny people,a apsfdiuasdfoashdfashdf *rage*

I don't want to fly again for a loonnnggg time.

Wow. That's a lot of traveling.

When I traveled in Texas, I thought it was great. I got to the airport early, found a bar, had a couple of beers, and I had a pizza before my flight. I haven't flown in years, so the flights were awesome.

On the way back, I grabbed a burger and a couple beers before my flight out, then got delayed in Baltimore...so I found a bar. xD Problem solved.

I mean, traveling is fun, but when you do it that much it starts to suck, lol.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 24 2011 22:01 GMT
#32
On January 24 2011 16:21 news wrote:
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On January 24 2011 15:22 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I can't believe he actually told you it was 40 on the reasoning that he didn't start the meter from the start. Even if he forgot to turn it off and the real meter should be around 40 it was his mistake so you only have to pay for what's on the meter. But then to magically add 15 dollars lol. I'm all for immigrants coming to America to start a new life but seriously people need to choose more carefully on who they hire.


This isn't how it works. Driver can call the office and ask about the fare. It doesn't matter what the meter says at that point since he made a mistake. If a dispatcher tells him it's 40$ then it is 40$. He was probably afraid of getting fired on his first day and decided not to call.

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On January 24 2011 16:20 Torenhire wrote:
Edit: @ news, one of my current co-workers drove a cab in New York for a while, god he has some AWESOME stories. Hahahaha.


Lol I'm sure he does.
I'd never want to drive in a city, only did some part-time on Cape. Was enough to not want any of that intensity. At least Cape was relatively safe, only complete nut jobs would want to do that in NYC or even Boston.

Ack, now you've got me a bit worried that the guy might have been legit... From his behavior I think he was just incredibly dumb, but it's still possible he was just really really confused. Eep...

Anyway we'll find out tomorrow I guess. I'll be taking a taxi back to the airport, and if the fare ends up being about 40, then I'll feel bad. If it comes out to 25 again, I'll know the guy was full of shit.
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Cab drivers are such miserable people. They always try to get over on you, esp the black cabs. I take a special joy in reaming out those morons who take longer routes because they think you don't know where you're going, or the ones who try keeping that extra buck or two from your $20 without consent.
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