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sup tl I hope ur day is going better than mine. god what a shitty day.
I played in the TL Open today and lost in the ro64 to AhhBoxahh/Mihai.
It wasn't quite that simple though. It was way gayer than that. It's been quite a while since I've had to deal with a disconnect issue in a tournament as a player. I've forgotten how ridiculously annoying and honestly fucking retarded it is dealing with disconnects too. Looking back now I probably could have disputed it more but I'm way too fucking nice. I'm such an idiot....
anyway it's a TvT on xel naga and mihai goes for a rax expand build and I go for my shit medivac/tank/hellion push which is so fucking bad now but it's like the only tvt build I know so I do it anyway like a retard. He makes a bunker but its a wide nat so I go around and I know he'll pull scvs so I go for the narrow area behind the grass. He fights at a ridiculously horrible angle loses like 7 scvs and rines and immediately leaves the game. I'm at a lan center for a lan at the time with ppl watching and I was like fuck yes/ppl cheer etc, and I go report my win. he didn't gg or anything and could have left prematurely but it wasn't like nothing had happened in the game when he left. It was a standard type of ragequit when something bad happens in early game just quit... (idra does it all time etc etc)
He logs back on like 3 minutes later and says yo I disconnected you can take the win if you want or we can regame its up to you. I felt I was going to be in a pretty good advantage at the time he left plus why would I just agree to a regame if he was the one that disconnected after there had been player contact. I didn't even see him "drop" either and there was absolutely no lag in the game before that point. Seemed like he just pulled the plug immediately after a first engagement didn't go his way. I was going to force him to lift his expo and would have a contain, all he had were a few rines... he would have had to go back on 1base and wait for tech to kick in if he was going to even survive in the game. He has literally 8 rines (most of them almost dead) and not even a fact making and I have 6 rines a medivac a tank (sieging) with a nearly dead hellion at his natural. I have 6 more scvs as well. he would have had to pull back to his ramp and go back on one base and tech in order to get out as I would expo with him contained at his natural. The game isn't quite over but I have a HUGE advantage I felt. I'm not here to question the refs decision to regame the refs decision is the refs decision. it just fucking sucks so hardcore gahhhhh.
by the way, when a person drops don't you typically see the disconnect screen at least for a moment? From my end I saw him just flat out leave (after losing a first conflict) . . . sighhh I'm just raging about pointless shit honestly I would have gotten raped in the next round anyway probably but fuck it... still pissed about it gahhh disconnects are such a fucking annoying part of playing serious sc...
rep btw for anyone who's interested: [url blocked]
I'm not complaining that I should have been given the win, it definitely wasn't 100% over, I'm just raging here that disconnects are such bullshit and are so annoying to deal with. (both as a player and as a tournament organizer I've had the unfortunate experience of being on both sides multiple times, fuck me rename myself to unluckyfool?)
this crap put me on such huge tilt I got raped in the lan I was at too cuz I had to play matches vs a decent zerg player right away as I was going through all of this... god what a shitty day of starcraft for me, woke up thinking it was gonna be an awesome day, lan + tl open... now I just want to smash something. guhhhh I go on tilt so easy and play so fucking bad as soon as anything bad happens. I lose so many fucking bo3's after winning the first game, something bad happens in game 2 and I'm tilted for game 3. this shit plagues me all the time. ugh I just had to vent/rage here... 2 events fucked up for me by a faggy disconnect. gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh /rageeeee
  
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If there was no disconnect screen then mihai is full of shit and used the disconnect as an excuse to get a regame.
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there was no disconnect screen ever he just instantly left.
and then he said he saw it say I had dropped which is a joke considering I was playing from a lan center.
whatever he got raped in the next round too so I guess he got what he deserved (if he actually did pull plug, only he knows if it was a legit disconnect or not)
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I'm pretty sure a lot of times when I disconnect it just shows me as instantly leaving the game to my opponent - It only says I d/c'd to me. So don't be too harsh on blaming him - he may not have been lying.
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I'm not really trying to blame him, I've known mihai for a while now and have no reason to believe he would lie to me. I guess I'm just mad about the whole thing.
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He said you could take the win so why didn't you just take the win? Stop being so nice.
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I know, but Zlasher sounded like he was 
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Want to know what you should do? Watch the end of the replay in his first person view, and if he does nothing for a longass time then drops, then maybe its legit. If he's playing til the last second and then leaves the game, he's full of shit.
I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the opponent who disconencted "leaves the game" theres always a disconnect screen at least for a couple of seconds in case the connection went weak and comes back.
I'm not buying it Iamsmart.
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On January 16 2011 08:50 Foreplay wrote:
He said you could take the win so why didn't you just take the win? Stop being so nice.
From what I'm aware, Luckyfool did take the win, then Mihai went to the admins and said he'd make a report.
Basically Mihai offered a forfeit, and then when Luckyfool took it, he appealed, at which point the admin said to regame.
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On January 16 2011 08:50 Foreplay wrote:
He said you could take the win so why didn't you just take the win? Stop being so nice. I took the win and reported it online then he msgs me and says he's getting a ref involved who said we have to regame.
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Sometimes the lag screen appears and sometimes it doesnt, but i've only seen it act like that at the very beginning of the game. Even if it doesn't show the lag screep i feel like it usually says they were dropped. The game knows the difference.
BTW if thats the way the refs are running the show, it sounds like anyone can abuse by just leaving the game when they get behind and then they get a free regame. Basically you can just keep playing the opponent until you win.
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*insert obligatory "BNET2.0 SUCKS" comment*
On January 16 2011 08:51 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 08:50 Foreplay wrote:
He said you could take the win so why didn't you just take the win? Stop being so nice. From what I'm aware, Luckyfool did take the win, then Mihai went to the admins and said he'd make a report. Basically Mihai offered a forfeit, and then when Luckyfool took it, he appealed, at which point the admin said to regame.
Wow, really? If that's true, serious dick move.
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Hahahah, I love his little bluff to look like a good sport, and you just take the win, so he totally goes back on his word.
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On January 16 2011 08:53 Loophole wrote:
BTW if thats the way the refs are running the show, it sounds like anyone can abuse by just leaving the game when they get behind and then they get a free regame. Basically you can just keep playing the opponent until you win.
srsly, whats stopping people from just leaving randomly in the early game after seeing what build ur opponent goes? it seems so easily abuseable....
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There are times when the SC2 client just crashes into the bug report screen. In those cases you don't see the drop screen. It's happened in the GSL a few times too.
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On January 16 2011 08:53 Loophole wrote:
Even if it doesn't show the lag screep i feel like it usually says they were dropped. The game knows the difference.
My point exactly.
On January 16 2011 09:03 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 08:53 Loophole wrote:
BTW if thats the way the refs are running the show, it sounds like anyone can abuse by just leaving the game when they get behind and then they get a free regame. Basically you can just keep playing the opponent until you win. srsly, whats stopping people from just leaving randomly in the early game after seeing what build ur opponent goes? it seems so easily abuseable....
nothing is stopping people but their sense of honesty
I'm a fan of NRG and their players, I'm not saying mihai cheated, but this is the first US qualifier, the first one he's enterred and its the difference between getting any point by getting top 16, and 0 p oints.
this is seedy as FUCK, thats what I'm saying.
On January 16 2011 08:56 Haemonculus wrote:*insert obligatory "BNET2.0 SUCKS" comment* Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 08:51 ZlaSHeR wrote:On January 16 2011 08:50 Foreplay wrote:
He said you could take the win so why didn't you just take the win? Stop being so nice. From what I'm aware, Luckyfool did take the win, then Mihai went to the admins and said he'd make a report. Basically Mihai offered a forfeit, and then when Luckyfool took it, he appealed, at which point the admin said to regame. Wow, really? If that's true, serious dick move.
Thats what I was told yes.
On January 16 2011 09:04 Kinky wrote:
There are times when the SC2 client just crashes into the bug report screen. In those cases you don't see the drop screen. It's happened in the GSL a few times too.
Finding this as an excuse for Mihai doesn't work out too well when he stated that he disconnected, not that his game crashed. Why would you say something that didn't happen thinking it would help? I'm not buying that as very credible just yet.
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Did you look at the replay yet on First person vieuw from his side ? If he dropped earlier all actions should stop before he left.
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I'm going to DL it and watch it now, but let me paint the scenarios in advance so nobody thinks I'm thinking of a reason to blame him.
If mihai is micro'ing intensely, all of a sudden he realizes he has no army left, then takes a small second and then leaves the game, it means he probably left himself.
If mihai is chopping up left and right, then its reasonable to think he was lagging
if mihai has no movements for 25-40 seconds before he leaves the game, then he probably dc'd.
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On January 16 2011 09:14 Marradron wrote:
Did you look at the replay yet on First person vieuw from his side ? If he dropped earlier all actions should stop before he left.
nope didnt watch from his side. cant you just stop all actions as you are about to leave anyway? O_O
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I watched the replay from his PoV, he continues to micro / macro with around 300 APM right until he suddenly leaves the game, there was no noticeable pause which could indicate a disconnect.
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I just watched the first person view.
If he was going to fake disconnect he'd have done it after losing his army.
He has 8 marines against 6 marines 1 medivac 1 tank and 1 hellion thats essentially dead
but he has 2 bases and 3 mules going with 4 racks producing marines, and luckyfool doesn't have enough support coming in off of a 1 base 1-1-1.
mihai would have no reason to assume he'd lose there, but he does micro up to the very last second which just doesn't make sense either. I don't think he cheated but if there was zero lag all game, where would the disconnect randomly come from.
basically, if mihai were to fake dc, he wouldn't have done it mid micro so something weird happened, but no reason to assume anything fishy, only thing that sucks is, like luckyfool said
disconnects
fucking
suck
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On January 16 2011 09:28 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I just watched the first person view.
If he was going to fake disconnect he'd have done it after losing his army.
He has 8 marines against 6 marines 1 medivac 1 tank and 1 hellion thats essentially dead
but he has 2 bases and 3 mules going with 4 racks producing marines, and luckyfool doesn't have enough support coming in off of a 1 base 1-1-1.
mihai would have no reason to assume he'd lose there, but he does micro up to the very last second which just doesn't make sense either. I don't think he cheated but if there was zero lag all game, where would the disconnect randomly come from.
basically, if mihai were to fake dc, he wouldn't have done it mid micro so something weird happened, but no reason to assume anything fishy, only thing that sucks is, like luckyfool said
disconnects
fucking
suck
yeah I'm not saying I thought it was over, I thought I could have been in a good position in the game and the point of disconnect was really weird...and to have to regame just sucked so hard. but such is life I suppose. 
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That's shitty dude. Sorry it happened.
Disconnect or not though that's really bad sportsmanship of him to go back on his word. Not sure why you would even offer to let you take the win if he was just going to go to the refs anyway. I hate it when people pull shit like that.
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On January 16 2011 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Want to know what you should do? Watch the end of the replay in his first person view, and if he does nothing for a longass time then drops, then maybe its legit. If he's playing til the last second and then leaves the game, he's full of shit.
I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the opponent who disconencted "leaves the game" theres always a disconnect screen at least for a couple of seconds in case the connection went weak and comes back.
I'm not buying it Iamsmart.
<@Iamsmart> jeff when i disconnect
<@Iamsmart> did it say i disconnected
<@Iamsmart> or did it just show me leaving the game
<@Iamsmart> ?
* @Iamsmart slaps Elixir around a bit with a large trout
<Elixir> left the game
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In a lot of situations an instant leave can occur when someone d/c's. I've seen it and been a victim multiple times. That being said, it was still wrong of the admins to rule in that way, since clearly you were at a pretty significant advantage, and the opposing player offered you the win anyways.
I would've flipped the shit about it personally. I'm very good about saying "oh I lost that game almost for sure" and giving the win when I D/C. I expect the reverse to be true.
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and the ravens just lost. wow can today get any worse...nothing good happened at all.
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On January 16 2011 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Want to know what you should do? Watch the end of the replay in his first person view, and if he does nothing for a longass time then drops, then maybe its legit. If he's playing til the last second and then leaves the game, he's full of shit.
I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the opponent who disconencted "leaves the game" theres always a disconnect screen at least for a couple of seconds in case the connection went weak and comes back.
I'm not buying it Iamsmart.
Ive seen it happen before, ive also had it happen to me, making units moving, then game says i dropped and i was defeated
its totally possible he could have disconnected
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Manner? All I said is I disc'ed, if you want to flame me you should flame the admins first that gave regame >_>.
I also told them I had no SS of the disconnect, anyway nice blog 5/5
EDIT: I told you you could take win expecting you not to because I thought we were chill with each other but kk. One day you're manner with me and shit and now you make one of your innumerable shitty blogs aimed at making me look like a douche when I try to be manner with everyone I play with, whatever bro =/
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It may be different cuz it was his computer that crashed and not his internet that cut out. He has been at LANs and it has happened, his comp is messed up. Game wasn't over, and anywhere else it would have been a regame. Sorry it worked out that way, but no1's fault..
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haha I had the same issue earlier. My opponent (terran) did a hellion marauder push to my natural with spines, banes and zerglings and i wipe him out with minimal losses. Then bnet shits and i get disconnected which my opponents decide to declare victory. I tell admin about the disc and am giving the go for a RE game.
But he already starts his next round and when i tell him we still have to Re game he disregards my message and promptly lose to his opponent and quits bnet. So i get fucked over because of this dueche GG. Hows your day  , oh well il try again next week//
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i had a similar issue with a 4pl tournament match against hasuobs where i was killing his immortals and he just left. I made a big deal out of it because there was no drop screen and the game said he just left and in my mind i was ahead. I didn't even bother to watch replay but when i did it became apparent to me how far ahead he was.
Point is while its rare drops sometimes do occur without warning.
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On January 16 2011 11:25 AhhBoxxah wrote:
Manner? All I said is I disc'ed, if you want to flame me you should flame the admins first that gave regame >_>.
I also told them I had no SS of the disconnect, anyway nice blog 5/5
EDIT: I told you you could take win expecting you not to because I thought we were chill with each other but kk. One day you're manner with me and shit and now you make one of your innumerable shitty blogs aimed at making me look like a douche when I try to be manner with everyone I play with, whatever bro =/
Don't blame him, he wasn't flaming you that was me, but I corrected myself on my reply at the top of this page.
If you are going to offer him the win assuming he won't take it then just don't take it, cuz that just makes you fake. Just seems weird to me that anyone would offer the win and then go complain to admins that someone took the offer in a tournament that matters as much as tlopens for tsl qualifiers.
Rob didn't do anything wrong. Go at me not him, then read my post at the top.
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wow what a dick move by ahhhboxahh , def lost respect for the guy
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Hahaha lol
"Hey bud, you can take the win if you want . . ."
"Okay thx man gg"
"WHAT YOU TOOK THE WIN?!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" *files complaint*
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On January 16 2011 11:57 Superiorwolf wrote:
Hahaha lol
"Hey bud, you can take the win if you want . . ."
"Okay thx man gg"
"WHAT YOU TOOK THE WIN?!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" *files complaint*
Yeah im kool like dat
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On January 16 2011 11:57 Superiorwolf wrote:
Hahaha lol
"Hey bud, you can take the win if you want . . ."
"Okay thx man gg"
"WHAT YOU TOOK THE WIN?!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" *files complaint*
Yeah. Blizzard at least needs to make DCs clear.
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On January 16 2011 11:25 AhhBoxxah wrote:
Manner? All I said is I disc'ed, if you want to flame me you should flame the admins first that gave regame >_>.
I also told them I had no SS of the disconnect, anyway nice blog 5/5
EDIT: I told you you could take win expecting you not to because I thought we were chill with each other but kk. One day you're manner with me and shit and now you make one of your innumerable shitty blogs aimed at making me look like a douche when I try to be manner with everyone I play with, whatever bro =/
haha, I think you did a better job at making yourself look bad than Luckyfool tried to.
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Luckyfool is easily one of the chillest, manner people i've met on tl. I doubt he'd "bm" you.
You made an offer of feigned politeness and he took it. Your mistake.
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Mihai should have investigated first before giving out the win. I think it was more of a leap of faith he thought he loss then he checked replay before reporting that it's much better for a re-game.
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On January 16 2011 11:25 AhhBoxxah wrote:
Manner? All I said is I disc'ed, if you want to flame me you should flame the admins first that gave regame >_>.
I also told them I had no SS of the disconnect, anyway nice blog 5/5
EDIT: I told you you could take win expecting you not to because I thought we were chill with each other but kk. One day you're manner with me and shit and now you make one of your innumerable shitty blogs aimed at making me look like a douche when I try to be manner with everyone I play with, whatever bro =/
this is extremely retarded
i respect both of you a lot but cmon. you make the offer out of politeness because you truly mean it, not because you want to look good
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Did you have a chance to talk with the TL Staff member who decided it should be a regame? It was a pretty poor decision imo to make you replay it.
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If you lose complete internet connection, you get dropped with no lag screen, this has happened to me so many times when I'm at my university. The lag screen only appears if you are lagging, not if you lose complete internet connection.
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On January 16 2011 11:25 AhhBoxxah wrote:
Manner? All I said is I disc'ed, if you want to flame me you should flame the admins first that gave regame >_>.
I also told them I had no SS of the disconnect, anyway nice blog 5/5
EDIT: I told you you could take win expecting you not to because I thought we were chill with each other but kk. One day you're manner with me and shit and now you make one of your innumerable shitty blogs aimed at making me look like a douche when I try to be manner with everyone I play with, whatever bro =/
Why would I flame the admins, I don't have a problem with their answer, the game wasn't even decided, I agree with you that it would have been stupid to leave at that point....
What I have more of a problem with was you offering me a choice after the game and then not accepting my answer... Because initially I thought u just ragequit and not disc. Imagine my feeling thinking I won, then 3 minutes later you come back saying it was a disc but I could just take the win anyway, then 3 minutes later u msg me again saying ur involving an admin. And your calling me douchy? whatever lol.
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srsly boxxahhh stop man, u acted wrong live with it
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Sounds like a tear.
Well, at least this is better than all the girl blogs around lately.
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Sorry to hear that LF
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Shitty situation man.
It is seriously bad form for him to offer the win and then go involve a ref. Disappointing -_-
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On January 16 2011 13:35 numLoCK wrote:
Shitty situation man.
It is seriously bad form for him to offer the win and then go involve a ref. Disappointing -_-
Yeah that is pretty awful. I dont have anywhre near enough experience of DC's in SC2 to give any feedback on that point.
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