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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
December 20 2010 18:11 GMT
#1
Thought I'd post on two things in one as I've got some time to kill before the Man City/Everton football match tonight. Watching MBC/Oz today, there was an interesting enough discussion about something that often applies to ace matches, but also applied today when MBC had taken a 3-0 lead with Oz not having used Jaedong. Now at the time, I was calling for Backho, although anyone that wasn't Jaedong would have done, the rationale being that MBC knows that you have Jaedong available, and that Oz may expect you send out either Light's TvZ godliness or some other attempt at a Zerg sniper, so as you'd need two wins anyway, get your players who you need to win anyway into a match where the other guy is expecting to play the best Zerg in the world, and may well not be as good at other matchups. As it happened, Oz did indeed hold JD back and sent Anytime, who took out Sea, but rather than trying the same thing again, sent JD in set 5 who tried and failed to go two hatch lurkers against Light and lost pretty badly.

While it may have been "well Jaedong/Anytime has practiced that map so whatever", I just wonder exactly what level of thinking the proteam coaches use. There's something analogous in poker, where what you do is somewhat based on what the other guy does. For example, let's look at how KT and Hite might play an ace match:

Level 0 - what do I have? I have Flash, gg
Level 1 - what do I think my opponent has? Well, he has Flash, so I can send Skyhigh and his really good TvT
Level 2 - what does my opponent think I have? Well they know I have Flash, and might send out a Terran sniper, so let's throw out Stats instead
Level 3 - what does my opponent think I think he has? But what if they anticipate our cunning terran sniping? They don't have very many good zergs, so they might send a protoss instead, Horang2 anyone?
Level 4 - what do I think he thinks about what I think he thinks I have? The wording is getting silly now, but it'd be really interesting to know exactly what thought processes go through coaches' minds. And, as an open question, exactly how many levels of thinking did Stars' coach go through when deciding that sending Piano out against Jaedong was a good idea?

Last night, the BBC hosted their yearly sports awards. Now I watched a bit of this because the darts sucked and the NFL was showing that redzone "flick endlessly between games" thing rather than any specific match, and because there was no overly obvious winner. Now Tony McCoy took it down, which I find slightly bizarre.

Firstly, no jockey has ever won it, and for good reason - the sport only exists due to gambling and as such is probably rigged. Secondly, there should be somewhat of a clue in the title of the award, namely "of the year". Has he really had that spectacular of a year? While he finally won the National, aside from that he's just done what he has done over the past 15+ years. Has it really degenerated into a "well if this year in sports sucks we'll just have it as a lifetime achievement award in everything but name"? Seems like it, seeing how Phil Taylor came second despite not having a special season at all (by his standards), and especially given the joke of Ryan Giggs winning the year before when he wasn't even a first choice player for his club. Also appears to be who can spam Twitter the most nowadays as well.

Other awards seemed bizarre as well. David Beckham for a lifetime achievement award when he's still playing? Europe's Ryder Cup team winning the team award I get, but then to give Montgomerie coach of the year as well reeks of duplication, especially given the context of the competition.

For what it's worth I'd have given the main gong to McDowell, but as I won't give the BBC any of my money to register a vote, I can't really complain.

p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 20 2010 20:25 GMT
#2
So meta. Thats why i love ace matches, and why Leta was super impressive a few years ago.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 20 2010 21:00 GMT
#3
On December 21 2010 03:11 sixfour wrote:
Level 4 - what do I think he thinks about what I think he thinks I have? The wording is getting silly now, but it'd be really interesting to know exactly what thought processes go through coaches' minds. And, as an open question, exactly how many levels of thinking did Stars' coach go through when deciding that sending Piano out against Jaedong was a good idea?

Level 452: Oz's coach says "fuck it, i'm just going to play Jaedong"

Level 453: Star's coach realized that the Oz coach would likely get fed up with the game theory and send out Jaedong. Jaedong a: is not very musically talented, but b: if played music to, will immediately drop everything he is doing and will begin to break dance all over the place - thus, if piano is able to play piano while still being able to play starcraft, he will be guaranteed a win.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 22:35:07
December 20 2010 22:33 GMT
#4
I don't agree with the thinking 'we need to win at least two more games anyway.' I'd send in whoever I thought was confident in underdog situations with lots of pressure. I'd bet recent results in practice have a lot more to do with coaches decisions than anything else.

Nobody beats the dong.
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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 21 2010 00:13 GMT
#5
level 546: i have both jaedong and killer. i'll send killer
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
December 21 2010 00:17 GMT
#6
On December 21 2010 09:13 wooozy wrote:
level 546: i have both jaedong and killer. i'll send killer


this lol
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