Hi everyone. I'd like to start off by saying that I'm a 2800 Diamond Terran player. My ID on Bnet is SiN. I recently got second in the gosucoaching tournament, and am currently in the finals for the EG Masters tournament. I also came in second in the most recent Cybergrounds LAN. My stream thread is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175089
Anyways, I've recently started streaming. I streamed for a few hours today. I'm sure nobody reading this had noticed. I just finished playing 2 really awesome and epic TvTs. I looked to see how many viewers I had. 0. I had 0 viewers. Well, I had 1, me, who was checking to see if anybody will recognize how talented I am.
I look at those featured, whose skill level is not far from mine, and they have a bare minimum of 300 at any given time. The most I've had since I started streaming again two weeks ago is 4: me, my brother trying to make sure the stream was working correctly, and 2 others. It's very discouraging. There are several streamers who got featured within days or even hours of posting their streams. I've played all of them. I've beaten most of them. I'm completely unknown. My stream is of good quality(I think), and my skill level is very high. And yet, here I am, with 0 viewers.
I was expecting to be on Team Root after MLG DC. They said I am good enough. They put me against Drewbie in what I assumed was tryouts. They didn't expect me to beat him. I did. I haven't heard about joining the team from them since.
Well, I started streaming more than two weeks ago, but only started back up recently since I got a better computer. I remember the first game I streamed. It was me vs IncontroL. I won a macro game by a significant amount. At the end, he typed "gg wp". I had 5 viewers. Most big name players don't even stream. Some people may say that I should be more patient. Two weeks isn't enough time to get my name out there. It hasn't been two weeks. It's been since phase 1 of the beta. I've been playing the whole time, amongst all the big names, amongst all the top ladder players, and yet I am, and have always been, completely unknown.
I look at all these showmatch and invitational tourneys, and I think to myself, "I can beat these people. I've done it before. And yet, I'm not a part of this." I have been in the top 50 in ladder for a long time. I've proven myself to everyone who knows who I am. Unfortunately, that's barely anybody.
I look at all these high-ranked well-known players offering coaching, and wonder why nobody has ever asked me for any help. I ask gosucoaching if there are any spots open, and I don't get a reply.
I look at all these tags of the players I play against: VT, Inflow, ROOT, and others. I wonder why I'm not on any of them. I wonder why I haven't been asked to join any teams, even after convincingly winning against many of each team's members.
I wonder why it's so difficult for me to be known in the community. I play against top players, and then before we can rematch they say they have to play in another tournament or showmatch. They go and present themselves to the community; they show why they are good. I go and ladder, or I go and watch them play, stuck as though I am invisible.
I wish I could be known. I wish I got the attention deserving of my skill. Instead, I am unknown.
I guess I just decided to write this because I'm lost. And so, I'll leave you with a song:
How do you type a whole blog about not having notoriety for your stream and completely fail to link us to said stream? I'll be honest, I have no idea who you are, and after reading this blog, that hasn't changed. What's your ID? Is it the same as your TL ID? or is it Unknown? Do you play tournaments? Beating them in tournaments is different than just thinking, "I can beat these people."
People become popular for a myriad of reasons; you can't expect to be popular just because you're pretty good. For some people, it takes more than that.
Just make a thread and update it everytime you play Also people like streamers that look at replays and talk about strats and stuff so they can learn a little bit from it. If you don't advertise your stream nobody will watch it, cuz they have more known players to watch who are featured. The only non-featured streams I ever watch are like Navi, cuz I know her, and sometimes I watched MrBiter before he was featured.
*edit* Also what brood said is fantastic You can't expect us to know who you are when you wont even tell us
Can you join tournaments? You'll probably kick ass and it will get you recognized like lightning if you're able to consistently win like you've been doing on the ladder THEN people will join your stream, because you'll become well-known as *that guy who won that tournament... and this tournament... and that other tournament... etc.*.
You really have to get your name out there as BroOd said. Put up a link to your stream, and bnet ID. Of course performance in tournaments will get you recognition as well. You shouldn't have to worry about being known if you have the skillset to do so, just gotta get your name out there, because people aren't going to find you in a pool of tens of thousands of players.
This is not how you get a featured stream. Impressive accomplisments but no one really cares who you beat on ladder and if you are almost good enough to be in ROOT. I don't know this blog post just comes off as very arrogant and whiny and it makes me not want to watch your stream.
Oops, sorry I didn't link my stream :/ I didn't want to advertise it. I added that in there, as well as my ID and such. I have played in tournaments. I've gotten far in many tournaments. I'm going to be casted against Gretorp at 8:00 EST today if he shows for the Alertcup Tournament.
@ Foreplay That isn't the goal of what I wrote. I'm simply lost as to how I can become better known. People say "win tournaments" but what tournaments are there to win? Most don't get much viewing, and those that do are usually invitationals.
Okay, this is just sad Maybe it's just not in your cards *ducks before you throw something at me*
Seriously, though, life can be unfair and sometimes you just have to be a "jerk" to get noticed. I read that somewhere. Jerks get more attention than nice guys. Don't know if I'd tell ya to take that route, but I do know that winning tournaments "might" get you recognized.
On December 15 2010 09:31 BroOd wrote: How do you type a whole blog about not having notoriety for your stream and completely fail to link us to said stream? I'll be honest, I have no idea who you are, and after reading this blog, that hasn't changed. What's your ID? Is it the same as your TL ID? or is it Unknown? Do you play tournaments? Beating them in tournaments is different than just thinking, "I can beat these people."
People become popular for a myriad of reasons; you can't expect to be popular just because you're pretty good. For some people, it takes more than that.
I think the fact that he didnt link to anything begins to explain the problem.
Dude! Promote yourself more! Make a thread about your stream, make people aware of you through posting replays, promote promote promote! NOONE ELSE WILL DO IT FOR YOU!
My suggestions for easy steps to promote yourself. Keep to only one nick for everything. Bnet, TL, you name it. Make a thread about your stream, with a link to your profile keep it up in the sc2 general by posting when you are streaming Participate in TL Open, any kind of low entrance level tournament and win them! Post replay packs with you playing famous e-people Make a twitter (not really, but you could)
Following this: Go to live events, win them too. Socialize with the other "pros", it seems like a small scene, so getting to be known on the inside is important. Get signed to a team
if it makes you feel any better, i'm a no name who decided to stream some 3v3 and got 50+ viewers
on a more serious note (although it really did happen), there are a variety of other factors when it comes to attracting people on your stream. more often than not (especially now that idra/huk stream frequently) your stream will be overlooked by a bigger name on the featured list. there's also some silly things like self-commentary. i know ryanrushia (sp?) gets a lot of extra viewers simply because he talks to his viewers a lot during the game
On December 15 2010 09:38 LuckyFool wrote: Recognition will come in time. I know everyone in the DC knows you now.
Also it doesn't help that your game name is different from your TL name at the moment. You should get changed to SiN on TL.
I would, but I don't know how to. I don't want to make a new account because I already have had this one for so long.
All you have to do is talk to a mod, I forgot who is in charge of reviewing name changes. It shouldn't be too hard though since you have less than 300 posts. I think it's Hot_Bid that reviews name changes. I could be wrong though.
Thank you guys for your suggestions!! I've been joining more tournaments, and am in the finals for several. I'll change my account name, and advertise my stream more in a non-intrusive manner. I guess I'm too shy.
I dont understand the importance of a couple hundred procrastinating strangers watching you ladder.
In terms of being recognised as one of the best, well sounds like you're headed in the right direction. You shouldnt be disheartened by missing out on these petty ego strokes
i can't speak for anyone but myself, but I have no idea who you are. This isn't meant to be an insult. I don't follow SC2 very much at all. I'll watch a GSL vod of ret here and there. Sometimes i'll watch an interview from Artosis.
So, unless I have met you at a DC LAN or dinner, or I have played with you at a WCG (usually pre-online qualifiers, so 03 - 06ish) I won't know you. This is the same reason I had no idea who huk was or that he got invited to be on team liquid (i've ranted on this a little too much imo).
I know people from BW and the DC dinner crew (shout outs to my nerds!). So I'll know who you are at the next LAN assuming no more dumbasses back into my truck while I'm parked and take off my bumper.
So I'm sorry I don't know you, or remember you if you have come to dinners/lans before the last one that i missed.
So assuming you're not SuGo-X17 (if so, i'd rather keep not knowing you) then introduce yourself to me at the next LAN. I'll be the one dancing to some stupid kpop song (curse you rob and your timing pushes)
EPT
Also people like streamers that look at replays and talk about strats and stuff so they can learn a little bit from it. If you don't advertise your stream nobody will watch it, cuz they have more known players to watch who are featured. The only non-featured streams I ever watch are like Navi, cuz I know her, and sometimes I watched MrBiter before he was featured.
You can't expect us to know who you are when you wont even tell us 
THEN people will join your stream, because you'll become well-known as *that guy who won that tournament... and this tournament... and that other tournament... etc.*. 
