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Why have I not heard about you at all? Hmm let me see.
I read every day on TL for news and other things in all public sections.
Your thread is either not posted or you do not update your thread at all because you don't promote yourself too much even though you want to become more known by the community.
If you just update your streaming thread and answer questions etc then it's going to take a miracle for you not to be recognised.
I zap through the different streams every day just to look if there's someone who's decent by looking at their descriptions and few minutes of their gameplay.
Most unknown are already bad with macro so I don't watch them. If you really are as good as you claim to be in the OP then advertise yourself more.
It doesn't matter if you're featured or not because I've seen some streamers not featured who got few hundred till 700-800 viewers.
I read alot of news here and I'm very up to date with most stuff on TL and yet I'm still thinking who you are lol.
GL with your streaming though and hope you get what you want 
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On December 16 2010 22:11 Horrde wrote:
Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better.
Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it. But that's not for you to decide, especially after seeing a blog post. Grow up and let's see a little more contribution, I shudder to think this is the norm for your 11k posts. Disgusting.
So which of our posts provides more feedback to him, mine or yours?
Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it.
I say he needs to stop boasting his ego and comparing himself to other featured streams. Without a doubt, unless he does this there is no chance of becoming a popular streamer. I also say there are people like me who can't stand to watch a stream of someone who is this arrogant. This clearly states he is deterring potential viewers in his current position. I'm not DECIDING for other people to watch or not watch him; I'm saying people who look at it from my point of view, and clearly I'm not the only one according the other posts in this thread, likely won't enjoy watching such a stream.
Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better.
Now look at yours. You attack me and provide NO feedback to this streamer at all. Quite ironic don't you think?
"your a complete asshole"
"don't fucking post at all"
"Grow up"
Don't you also think I would have been banned by now if all my posts were as "disgusting" as my previous?
I simply stated the obvious in a very bold way. I never cussed him out. I never said he was bad. I gave him the hard truth, and if he, or other people, can't handle that, they have some insecurities in my opinion. I'm not going to baby someone, especially after they present themself in this manner.
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I'm not going to sit here pick apart your post like you did mine. It can all be summed up pretty nicely. Sometimes it's the follow up posters that need the feedback, not the OP. No ones going to appeal to everyone, how this eludes you is remarkable. He's on my friend list, I do not need to give feedback in a forum thread just for your sake and for you to acknowledge it. I will not be continuing this flame war. We have our opinions on who we believe is immature; you think it's him and I think it's you.
My post was clearly directed towards you and how you treated him, so your continuance on the subject regarding my feedback to him is irrelevant. Now that you've been given a taste of your own medicine and brought down a few notches off your pedestal, you got very defensive. He's not frustrated because he's not a featured streamer, he's frustrated because he's making attempts to get himself started and seeing little return or reward, hence the blog post... Telling him to shut up and to lose the arrogance is really disappointing and lets be honest, you know you could of done better than that.
Edit: To the below poster: I can't help but laugh how your post reinforces the first line in my original post.
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On December 17 2010 02:24 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:11 Horrde wrote:
Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better.
Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it. But that's not for you to decide, especially after seeing a blog post. Grow up and let's see a little more contribution, I shudder to think this is the norm for your 11k posts. Disgusting. So which of our posts provides more feedback to him, mine or yours? Show nested quote +Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it. I say he needs to stop boasting his ego and comparing himself to other featured streams. Without a doubt, unless he does this there is no chance of becoming a popular streamer. I also say there are people like me who can't stand to watch a stream of someone who is this arrogant. This clearly states he is deterring potential viewers in his current position. I'm not DECIDING for other people to watch or not watch him; I'm saying people who look at it from my point of view, and clearly I'm not the only one according the other posts in this thread, likely won't enjoy watching such a stream. Show nested quote +Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better. Now look at yours. You attack me and provide NO feedback to this streamer at all. Quite ironic don't you think? "your a complete asshole" "don't fucking post at all" "Grow up" Don't you also think I would have been banned by now if all my posts were as "disgusting" as my previous? I simply stated the obvious in a very bold way. I never cussed him out. I never said he was bad. I gave him the hard truth, and if he, or other people, can't handle that, they have some insecurities in my opinion. I'm not going to baby someone, especially after they present themself in this manner.
Very bold way to give him tips now that I read your previous comment although I do agree that he comes off as arrogant (as I also putted it as nicely as I could after reading his OP) but I just read that he is in fact 15 so I'll shrug it off me since he probably doesn't know how to properly express himself to others if he wants more viewers.
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On December 17 2010 03:02 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 02:24 Grobyc wrote:On December 16 2010 22:11 Horrde wrote:
Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better.
Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it. But that's not for you to decide, especially after seeing a blog post. Grow up and let's see a little more contribution, I shudder to think this is the norm for your 11k posts. Disgusting. So which of our posts provides more feedback to him, mine or yours? Even if you think he's not as good as he says, that's great. No one cares about who or what you find arrogant. Give him suggestions how he can better himself, or don't fucking post at all. If he's overrating himself and is another fish in the sea, then nothing will come of it. I say he needs to stop boasting his ego and comparing himself to other featured streams. Without a doubt, unless he does this there is no chance of becoming a popular streamer. I also say there are people like me who can't stand to watch a stream of someone who is this arrogant. This clearly states he is deterring potential viewers in his current position. I'm not DECIDING for other people to watch or not watch him; I'm saying people who look at it from my point of view, and clearly I'm not the only one according the other posts in this thread, likely won't enjoy watching such a stream. Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and looking for advice from a community that is older and wiser than any other gaming community out there. Why do you shut him down and discourage him all the while taking a shot at his maturity level?
Instead of keeping to himself and going in circles with his progression, he's simply looking for advice. I've been on TL for years and years now and still I see absolutely disappointing posts from people who should know better. Now look at yours. You attack me and provide NO feedback to this streamer at all. Quite ironic don't you think? "your a complete asshole" "don't fucking post at all" "Grow up" Don't you also think I would have been banned by now if all my posts were as "disgusting" as my previous? I simply stated the obvious in a very bold way. I never cussed him out. I never said he was bad. I gave him the hard truth, and if he, or other people, can't handle that, they have some insecurities in my opinion. I'm not going to baby someone, especially after they present themself in this manner. Very bold way to give him tips now that I read your previous comment although I do agree that he comes off as arrogant (as I also putted it as nicely as I could after reading his OP) but I just read that he is in fact 15 so I'll shrug it off me since he probably doesn't know how to properly express himself to others if he wants more viewers.
Yep the post come off as arrogant to me too but he's only 15.
Just participate in tournaments more. It doesn't really matter how big or how many viewers are watching the tourney. If you win/get far in a couple of ICCUP/CraftCup/TL Opens, people will notice.
afaik being "featured" has to do with whether people want to watch you as well. I watch a tons of streams and in most of the popular ones the streamer actually interacts with the viewers. Maybe they'll go over the replays aloud or say what they're thinking when they're playing the game or go through the chat to see what the viewers have to say and reply to it (IE "A tech switch to mutas wouldn't work" blah blah blah).
Also if you want to join Root and was given tryouts/etc to do so, maybe you should follow up on it. If you're applying for a job in the real world, you would have to keep in contact with catz or whoever, and follow up on it. I'm not sure if you did this, but you should of shot catz a email/pm/tell and ask him how your application/recruitment process is going and if you can join.
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Sorry if I came off as arrogant(It's my first blog). I didn't mean it that way. My goal was to ask for help on how I can become better known. It wasn't meant to be me bragging, or saying that people are ignoring me even though I'm amazing or whatever. If that's how it looked, I'm sorry. I see it more as me not presenting myself properly, not me being ignored.
Also, I'm pretty sure that once stream threads are off of the front page, they can't be bumped. A few people(including me) posted on my stream thread after it was off the front page, and I didn't see it on reappear on the front page.
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silly cyrus volward, i doubt you're not appreciated, also i doubt you're at your best yet, then again you're only 15 years old. you can't attend to LAN events otehr than the ones super close by where your brother can take you. sure you have good results vs some people, but you're also very inconsistant at times and that's fine but you can improve upon it, CONGRATS ON TAKING 2ND PLACE AT GOSUCOACHING TOURNAMENT BTW. I know you got the potential to be good, this is why we invited you as an up and commer to SUP DOODS, did we not? at least for ROOT, joining us is not an easy process, we are always looking at multiple players at the very top of their game or with full potential to improve i.e minigun. if you think you're good enough stop being top 50 and make top 10 on the ladder... stop getting 2nd and get 1st. market yourself, bnet is too large to be acknowledged by bragging about who you beat and what not, I mean obv if u got a youtube channel and you post reps of you beating all these top players you'll get famous nomsayin. but posts like this saying how great you are aren't gonna make any of the teams that you seem to aspire to join be anywhat more eager to see you in their lineups.
Its very possible that we're not looking for anyone atm (speaking in behalf of ROOT) but IF we were wanting to fill a spot in the T department, based on how much potential for a guy of your age you have and how good you could become (maybe if you start hotkeying your units for example) you'd be one of the 3-4 terrans on the server that we'd consider, thought i'd just say that, but yes, I think you come as arrogant, I dislike pulling numbers and saying who you beat and whatnot, for example you could mention what your stats vs me the last 10-15 games have been and then answer some questions you have for yourself without having to make a super large post, nomsayin?
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@Horrde
A discussion/debate is very different than a flame war. No one here is flaming anyone. I feel is it more efficient to pick apart different parts of a post during a debate than to simply write up a bunch of stuff in summary. So while you feel it may be nit picky, I think it's the proper way to go about an argument. With that said, I will continue to argue my points.
Sometimes it's the follow up posters that need the feedback, not the OP. No ones going to appeal to everyone, how this eludes you is remarkable.
Alright so you feel I need feedback in these matters, and I feel you need feedback. Everyone has their opinion, but this thread was not the place to start such a thing. If you honestly feel I was being "mean" or what have you, you should have notified a moderator to discuss things elsewhere. With that said, if you want to reply, let's take this to PMs; it's starting to clutter the thread. Replying with "I will not be continuing this flame war." is an immature way of saying "I said my part and now I'm not going to acknowledge your counter argument." I'm not saying this warrants a ban, despite the fact that users are constantly banned for saying such things, but it comes off as very childish to me.
He's on my friend list, I do not need to give feedback in a forum thread just for your sake and for you to acknowledge it.
And the fact that he was on your friends list was oh so implied in your original post, right? I don't need you to give him feedback for my sake, feedback in this thread is purely for the sake of Gosu. How you expected me to know you are friends and give him feedback separately is beyond me.
My post was clearly directed towards you and how you treated him, so your continuance on the subject regarding my feedback to him is irrelevant. Now that you've been given a taste of your own medicine and brought down a few notches off your pedestal, you got very defensive.
I'm failing to see how I've "been given a taste of [my] own medicine and brought down a few notches off [my] pedestal". Where in my posts did you get this feeling from? I don't see anything I wrote that makes me come off as defensive more so than anyone else in a standard argument. You defend your position in an argument, am I correct?
He's not frustrated because he's not a featured streamer, he's frustrated because he's making attempts to get himself started and seeing little return or reward, hence the blog post
Recognition comes over time. In the OP there is a comparison of him to featured streamers, easily noted in the first line of that paragraph
I look at those featured, whose skill level is not far from mine, and they have a bare minimum of 300 at any given time
Yes, tell people your accomplishments. Yes, tell us your rank and point ratings, but don't compare yourself to current featured streams. Indirectly, that says "why are these guys featured and not me?"
... Telling him to shut up and to lose the arrogance is really disappointing and lets be honest, you know you could of done better than that.
An arrogant post deserves an arrogant reply sometimes. I already noted that what I said was harsh, but it was the truth, and if I had the chance to go back I would say it again. Everyone needs to learn at some point, whether you are 25 or 15. Your ethics are obviously different than some others. To end your post with that tells me "Let's be honest. My ethics are moral and yours aren't." That's not a point you can argue.
Edit: To the below poster: I can't help but laugh how your post reinforces the first line in my original post.
I'm just overall confused by this. The post below yours agrees that I was bold in what I said (which I clearly recognized in the post before this), and agrees with us who said the OP came off as arrogant. Maybe you need to re-read it, but I was not the only being called arrogant there.
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On December 17 2010 04:38 GoSu] wrote:
Sorry if I came off as arrogant(It's my first blog). I didn't mean it that way. My goal was to ask for help on how I can become better known. It wasn't meant to be me bragging, or saying that people are ignoring me even though I'm amazing or whatever. If that's how it looked, I'm sorry. I see it more as me not presenting myself properly, not me being ignored.
Also, I'm pretty sure that once stream threads are off of the front page, they can't be bumped. A few people(including me) posted on my stream thread after it was off the front page, and I didn't see it on reappear on the front page.
Your stream thread is in the streaming forums where it belongs.
If it gets bumped ok and all but it won't appear in the front page if the streaming forums isn't in that section. Unless the webmaster (R1CH?) coded it in such way that it's tied to the starcraft sections in which if u update the thread it get's bumped and appears in the starcraft sections.
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@Horrde
I don't understand your post.
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Just keep it up GoSu], your slowly getting more recognition. I watched your stream for a while yesterday, and was impressed by your play.
Grobyc, you cannot pick apart lines from my post, put your own version on them with an added twist, put them quotations and then say I said the same thing. This is not referencing. This is you being in your own little world where you misinterpret things. I will not elaborate, I have given you more than your worth of my time.
"I will not be continuing this flame war" and "I said my part and now I'm not going to acknowledge your counter argument" are not the same thing. Nor is "lets be honest, you know you could of done better than that" the same as "Let's be honest. My ethics are moral and yours aren't." So cut that out, it's not how you reference somebody. I can see a lot of what I said to try and help the quality of your posts improve went over your head, hence your giant mess of a reply with terrible referencing and confusion stricken mini-paragraphs which you halfheartedly admit. Since this confusion I take it is almost guaranteed (2 for 2 now) I will do it your way to help as best I can to avoid such daunting logic to fail again:
If you honestly feel I was being "mean" or what have you, you should have notified a moderator to discuss things elsewhere. With that said, if you want to reply, let's take this to PMs; it's starting to clutter the thread. Replying with "I will not be continuing this flame war." is an immature way of saying "I said my part and now I'm not going to acknowledge your counter argument." I'm not saying this warrants a ban, despite the fact that users are constantly banned for saying such things, but it comes off as very childish to me.
If you want to take it to PMs, then take it to PMs. Instead of posting it why not just do it? There you go with your abysmal attempt at referencing me. I sincerely hope you never write any type of sourcing material. I'm not saying your post warranted a ban either, that's why I didn't take it to a moderator. But I believe you know full well it could of used a major boost in quality, even though you don't admit it with what I assume is overflowing pride.
And the fact that he was on your friends list was oh so implied in your original post, right? I don't need you to give him feedback for my sake, feedback in this thread is purely for the sake of Gosu. How you expected me to know you are friends and give him feedback separately is beyond me.
I don't know if I can facepalm harder from reading this. You completely missed the point. Your brilliant for not finding where I implied that we were friends in my original post. I hope you didn't waste too much time doing so. Do you see where I expected you to know? Neither do I.
Recognition comes over time. In the OP there is a comparison of him to featured streamers, easily noted in the first line of that paragraph
Obvious statement is obvious. I don't think we need to plot recognition on the y-axis and time on the x-axis. Let's not recite what we already know. I did however, acknowledge that this is the first time you've properly referenced something without the added Grobyc twist.
I'm failing to see how I've "been given a taste of [my] own medicine and brought down a few notches off [my] pedestal". Where in my posts did you get this feeling from? I don't see anything I wrote that makes me come off as defensive more so than anyone else in a standard argument. You defend your position in an argument, am I correct?
You are correct. However, I can see from your (now third) post that you don't and won't understand, hence the failure to see where it stems from. I expect your follow up to be the same. I guess my sentence about the pedestal was a bit harsh, but I was merely inferring that if you dish some out, be ready to be able to take some in. In your case, you dished out in the most useless of ways, which brings me to my next point...
An arrogant post deserves an arrogant reply sometimes. I already noted that what I said was harsh, but it was the truth, and if I had the chance to go back I would say it again. Everyone needs to learn at some point, whether you are 25 or 15. Your ethics are obviously different than some others. To end your post with that tells me "Let's be honest. My ethics are moral and yours aren't." That's not a point you can argue.
I'm sorry King Grobyc, I didn't mean to go against the almighty bible of arguing that you have so conveniently written. It's not a point I can argue, it's my opinion on your post. Again, lose the atrocious attempt at the cross reference, it's not happening. Everyone does need to learn at some point, and I'm glad you think your the one to do so. It's good to be confident in yourself, but maybe that has to do with the pedestal sentence perhaps? Eureka, I've invented the cure for confusion.
I'm just overall confused by this...Maybe you need to re-read it
No. I'm not the one confused, you are. I cannot re-read something to alleviate your confusion. Unfortunately I cannot read a book to myself and ask you to give me a summary of the story. Oh how easy teachers would have it if life worked that way. I will demonstrate my cure once more however:
Edit: To the below poster: I can't help but laugh how your post reinforces the first line in my original post.
...but I just read that he is in fact 15 so I'll shrug it off me since he probably doesn't know how...
Grobyc, I can't help but say that your comment shows that your a complete asshole. He's 15 and...
I'm off to get this patented. *Sigh* Will I be expecting a PM?
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@Horrde
Ah I understand your post now. You meant the first post in this thread you made instead of your original post in which you commented at me.
Yes I do agree with you there and it does share the same view.
So basically you are also saying he comes off as arrogant but he is only 15 years old so his maturity compared to the majority of TL is lower because of his age and experience so we all should just try and teach him how to express himself mannerfull to others which seems to be the case in his latest replies in this blog so my opinion has already changed about him.
I think I was confused just like Grobyc about that part because it wasn't really stated or atleast implied anywhere in that post (the one you said @below post) that my post was reinforcing yours.
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hey cyrus vorwald, learn to hotkey your units pls <3
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