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danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:06:08
December 14 2010 12:05 GMT
#381
trashing everyone is an option when you're that ridiculously good nobody could possibly compete against you. Like a 3k diamond smacking bronze/silvers.

Idra isnt, he's just a progamer like many others. So he's nothing more than an enraged tool we all like to laugh at from time to time
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
December 14 2010 12:39 GMT
#382
I wonder how many people immediately listened to Stan by Eminem after this ;d

Also, there are way worse BM people than IdrA. IdrA is just a ragekid, but he's far better than NaNiwa, who's also on the verge of becoming a pro, but has the manners of a 13 year old XBox live kiddie.
to live is to suffer
Ixas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
930 Posts
December 14 2010 13:17 GMT
#383
5/5
Ixas.parkjiyeon.net
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
December 14 2010 13:22 GMT
#384
On December 14 2010 19:17 Scrubwave wrote:
Please don't try to change Idra, he's like that thing that makes food spicy.

you mean spice?


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Deleted User 55994
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
December 14 2010 13:24 GMT
#385
it's funny because no one other gaming community in the world would care half as much as the sc community, which is a bunch of people who act like idra does all the time in real life/in other games etc, then they come to sc and it magically changes because they're conforming to the ridiculous standard of 'be a complete robot, never say anything but "glhf" and "gg" or you're Bad Manner' (who the hell invented the term "Bad Manner" anyway? christ, say "asshole" or "dick" or "cunt")
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
December 14 2010 13:37 GMT
#386
On December 14 2010 20:58 Nazza wrote:
Inca sad.


that reminded me of tbbt

There is no fate, but what we make.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
December 14 2010 14:15 GMT
#387
LOL too funny
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 14 2010 14:22 GMT
#388
On December 14 2010 20:39 Kegs.aus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 17:47 Karliath wrote:
Too bad for you, IdrA has repeatedly stated that he doesn't care what people think.


thats what people who wish they didnt care say....

And this is what basement Psychologists say.
loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
December 14 2010 15:02 GMT
#389
LOL, great first post. People need to stop talking about IdrA being manner or not, that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about kikimama being a baller and/or IdrA-Eminem songs.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Mr.X
Profile Joined July 2010
Spain115 Posts
December 14 2010 15:05 GMT
#390
On December 14 2010 18:54 ace246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:46 Defacer wrote:
I'm going to put on my old man hat here.

I've been working as a designer/illustrator for 10 years. Right now I'm managing a multi-million dollar project and managing a team consisting of five design firms, a landscape architect and two architects.

I'm not qualified to opine about IdrA's gameplay or strategies, but I have an opinion about 'professionalism' in general that's worth considering.

The thing is, I WAS AN IDRA. All throughout school and my early career, I was busting my ass. I was pulling 24 hour days every other week. I took design so personally and seriously, I was notorious. I had a reputation for being brutally honest, and talking insane smack about other designers and their work. I cared a great deal about design, and didn't understand anyone who didn't take it as seriously as I did.

And while people respected me, I slowly started to notice that people didn't want to work with me.

IdrA restricts most of his BM on the ladder, but I think it helps to realize who IdrA is laddering against. This isn't Darkforce1879 or BronzeRandom2938. He's laddering against OGS's. Fou's. Primes.

Whether he likes it or not, these are his peers and colleagues. The ladder might as well be the office he works at, every single day.

And he's calling them faggots and telling them to fuck off whenever someone zealot rushes him.

Great for the fans. Bad for his career. If I talked about people in my industry the way IdrA does, I'd be considered unemployable. People wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole.

Now, let's imagine [knock on wood] that something happens to EG. They have a bad year and they implode. Shit happens. What team is going to pick up IdrA?

Team Liquid? They share a house with OGS.

FXOpen? They just started a week ago.

Root? FNATIC? They already have great players they can't afford to send to Korea.

There are 32 S-Code players in the world. That's 32 jobs, 32 people on the same level as IdrA, 32 people that make a living playing SC2 full-time. We like to pretend that the SC community is huge, but most of us are on the outside looking in. The community of players and commentators that make a full-time living is actually very small.

Now, I'm not saying IdrA should change, or not be 'honest'. But there's a difference between being honest and indulging yourself for shits and giggles.

The only benefit IdrA gets from telling someone to fuck off is those two-seconds of self-satisfaction after you say it.

Meanwhile, he's torching relationships with people that he competes with, day in and day out.

Trust me, it's not worth it.

--

Also, consider this: perhaps the reason why players rush him isn't because they're 'bad' -- it might be because they don't want to help him practice, win or lose.


He only BM in ladder. Although he does talk Pessimistically IRL, he doesn't BM IRL, just when he is chatting online. He has paid his substantial contribution to society by not BMing when he talks to people facetoface. Advising him to stop his BM completely is practically telling him to live a lie. He has self-respect, his a non-conformist, the only person who dictates how he should live is himself, as it should be.


Then, Idra is a troll?
Mackh
Profile Joined November 2010
France132 Posts
December 14 2010 15:05 GMT
#391
Took me some time to get the satn joke, had to listen the song like twice, but that was epic man !
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Pratchett
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
December 14 2010 15:35 GMT
#392
On December 14 2010 19:14 Plexa wrote:
Yeah if we get any more idra ranting/bashing going on in this thread Imma have to lock this gem that or ban people.

Looks like a no-brainer for me.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
December 14 2010 15:42 GMT
#393
I am well aware of the eminem choon, but I didn't lol in the slightest when reading kikimama's post? I don't get what's so funny about it.

Anyway, yeah, IdrA is pretty damn whiny and bm. Has anyone seen that game on Husky StarCraft's page with Huk + IdrA when he's like "!@#$ this game" and leaves without gg?

Yeah, pretty lame.

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 16:09:59
December 14 2010 16:04 GMT
#394
On December 14 2010 18:54 ace246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:46 Defacer wrote:
I'm going to put on my old man hat here.

I've been working as a designer/illustrator for 10 years. Right now I'm managing a multi-million dollar project and managing a team consisting of five design firms, a landscape architect and two architects.

I'm not qualified to opine about IdrA's gameplay or strategies, but I have an opinion about 'professionalism' in general that's worth considering.

The thing is, I WAS AN IDRA. All throughout school and my early career, I was busting my ass. I was pulling 24 hour days every other week. I took design so personally and seriously, I was notorious. I had a reputation for being brutally honest, and talking insane smack about other designers and their work. I cared a great deal about design, and didn't understand anyone who didn't take it as seriously as I did.

And while people respected me, I slowly started to notice that people didn't want to work with me.

IdrA restricts most of his BM on the ladder, but I think it helps to realize who IdrA is laddering against. This isn't Darkforce1879 or BronzeRandom2938. He's laddering against OGS's. Fou's. Primes.

Whether he likes it or not, these are his peers and colleagues. The ladder might as well be the office he works at, every single day.

And he's calling them faggots and telling them to fuck off whenever someone zealot rushes him.

Great for the fans. Bad for his career. If I talked about people in my industry the way IdrA does, I'd be considered unemployable. People wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole.

Now, let's imagine [knock on wood] that something happens to EG. They have a bad year and they implode. Shit happens. What team is going to pick up IdrA?

Team Liquid? They share a house with OGS.

FXOpen? They just started a week ago.

Root? FNATIC? They already have great players they can't afford to send to Korea.

There are 32 S-Code players in the world. That's 32 jobs, 32 people on the same level as IdrA, 32 people that make a living playing SC2 full-time. We like to pretend that the SC community is huge, but most of us are on the outside looking in. The community of players and commentators that make a full-time living is actually very small.

Now, I'm not saying IdrA should change, or not be 'honest'. But there's a difference between being honest and indulging yourself for shits and giggles.

The only benefit IdrA gets from telling someone to fuck off is those two-seconds of self-satisfaction after you say it.

Meanwhile, he's torching relationships with people that he competes with, day in and day out.

Trust me, it's not worth it.

--

Also, consider this: perhaps the reason why players rush him isn't because they're 'bad' -- it might be because they don't want to help him practice, win or lose.


He only BM in ladder. Although he does talk Pessimistically IRL, he doesn't BM IRL, just when he is chatting online. He has paid his substantial contribution to society by not BMing when he talks to people facetoface. Advising him to stop his BM completely is practically telling him to live a lie. He has self-respect, his a non-conformist, the only person who dictates how he should live is himself, as it should be.


You're right my friend.

IdrA's ability to refrain from calling people faggots to their face is a tremendous achievement, and should be commended. I had forgotten how much determination and dedication that takes.

Personally, it took me years to mature to this point. I was sitting at home, listless, trying to figure out what to do with my life, and realized, "You know what? Maybe I'll do the world a favor and not call anyone a faggot today. I'll just keep it online, where I interact with my professional peers and colleagues on a regular basis."

By the way WORLD, you're welcome.

In addition to giving people the gift of not calling people faggots, I have never been arrested or gone to prison. I think both IdrA and I deserve far more recognition for this.

IdrA is a rebel and revolutionary. A spiritual and trangressive force that should not be tamed. Suggesting that he refrain from telling people to fuck off, in order to protect his own reputation and long-term interests, is an untenable, unreasonable compromise. That's not IdrA being unreasonable. That's SOCIETY being unreasonable.

He is the spear tip of the vanguard, and I apologize for not recognizing his hot-new-style and challenging avant-garde views.

By the way, can I interest you in some Intel/Steel Series/Bigfoot Network products?


illu23
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany71 Posts
December 14 2010 16:28 GMT
#395
Dear johnlee, I meant to write you sooner but I just been DND.
You said you're studying for exams now - you're quite a nerd, I see.

Look, I really don't care you'd turn off my stream
So here's TLO's url if you can't stand me being mean

I'm glad I didn't see you at MLG Dallas, must have missed...who?
Sometimes I do that shit just do diss all-inners like you.

But what's that kind of shit you said about me droning too heavy, too?
I'm no fucking 6pool, c'mon - how all-in are you?

You got some issues johnlee, I think you need some gosucoaching
To make me teach you for 150$ an hour to stop your all-in.

And what's that shit about us meant to 2v2 together?
Your kind of "build" will not make me want to all-in forever.

I really think your SCVs and your base need each other
Or maybe you just need to split them better

I hope you get to read this PM, I just hope it reaches you in time
Before you lose all your macro, I think that you'll be doing just fine
If you sit back a little.

I'm glad I inspire you but johnlee,
Why are you so mad? Try to understand, I don't give cheesers the gg

I just don't want them to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on TL couple hours ago that made me sick

Some noob was pissed and opened up a thread about me being scum
Already had 242 post, talked about Huk being mannered typing gl&hf

But couple of pages later he just vanished and in his outbox they found a PM but they didn't say who it was to
Come'on think about it, his name is....it was you!
Haha!
Odi et amo. Quare id faciam fortasse requiris. Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.
Sobba
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden576 Posts
December 14 2010 17:01 GMT
#396
I think Idra can say and write what he wants. He is not representing the foreigner scene in korea. Just a kid drunk on e-fame.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
December 14 2010 17:14 GMT
#397
On December 15 2010 01:28 illu23 wrote:
Dear johnlee, I meant to write you sooner but I just been DND.
You said you're studying for exams now - you're quite a nerd, I see.

Look, I really don't care you'd turn off my stream
So here's TLO's url if you can't stand me being mean

I'm glad I didn't see you at MLG Dallas, must have missed...who?
Sometimes I do that shit just do diss all-inners like you.

But what's that kind of shit you said about me droning too heavy, too?
I'm no fucking 6pool, c'mon - how all-in are you?

You got some issues johnlee, I think you need some gosucoaching
To make me teach you for 150$ an hour to stop your all-in.

And what's that shit about us meant to 2v2 together?
Your kind of "build" will not make me want to all-in forever.

I really think your SCVs and your base need each other
Or maybe you just need to split them better

I hope you get to read this PM, I just hope it reaches you in time
Before you lose all your macro, I think that you'll be doing just fine
If you sit back a little.

I'm glad I inspire you but johnlee,
Why are you so mad? Try to understand, I don't give cheesers the gg

I just don't want them to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on TL couple hours ago that made me sick

Some noob was pissed and opened up a thread about me being scum
Already had 242 post, talked about Huk being mannered typing gl&hf

But couple of pages later he just vanished and in his outbox they found a PM but they didn't say who it was to
Come'on think about it, his name is....it was you!
Haha!


now if only that had been the second reply
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Taifon
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland3 Posts
December 14 2010 17:45 GMT
#398
I think IdrA will never be as good as he could be until he learns to accept defeat and failure.

In this world, success is valued so much that people tend to think that they are only cared or loved if they succeed. If one believes that to be true, every competition becomes a lot more serious because being worth of receiving attention is at stake. The fear of failing and not receiving what one needs crumbles the ability to play to the fullest. When one has combined success with being cared and loved then not succeeding becomes something unbearable. One way to deal with this unbearable feeling is to deny defeat and failure. I think this is the case with IdrA.
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
December 14 2010 18:00 GMT
#399
On December 14 2010 14:46 Defacer wrote:
IdrA restricts most of his BM on the ladder, but I think it helps to realize who IdrA is laddering against. This isn't Darkforce1879 or BronzeRandom2938. He's laddering against OGS's. Fou's. Primes.

seriously, this thread is full of win
ArcNatural
Profile Joined September 2010
United States13 Posts
December 14 2010 18:13 GMT
#400
On December 13 2010 19:09 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 18:49 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On December 13 2010 18:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
this cheese gets old i'm wondering why
you went 14 hatch at all
the marine rush takes down your natural
and the scvs just lol
and even if you could live past this rush
there's that goddamn terran ball
and you tell them
"ur fucking trash"
"ur fucking trash"

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dear grack
i wrote u but you still aint callin
you lost your lings, nat, and your pool to an allin
i sent 2 pms back in autumn, u must notta got em
there prolly was a prollem with tl's servers or somethen

etc goddamn this is hard


Holy crap that's great! Keep it going lol.



Dear Mr. Im-too-good-to-gg-my-ladder-opponents,
This'll be the last PM that I ever send you Grack!
I all in you all the time, you know you deserve it,
I can't macro for shit, I can only 2-racks perfect.

So this is my PM I'm sending you, I hope you read it
I'm in Zotac cup right now, grabbing my scv's and muling and shit.
Hey Grack, I just finished my orbital, dare me to cheese?
You know that build by Foxer from GSL 2 finals?
About that guy who could have played standard?
But didn't?
Then Zergbong saw it all then in the finals, he stomped him?
That's kinda how this is
You could have stopped me from all-inning
Now it's too late
I'm on my 50th ladder game today, I'm tired
I hope you know I stopped posting on your facebook wall
I love you Grack, we could have 2v2'd together
Think about it.

You ruined the game by BM'ing, now I hope you do some HyperX vid about it,
And when you plug your sponsors, I hope you can't get my cheese off you mind
I hope you fail in GSL and you can't make 87k without me,
See Grack, SHUT UP HOT BID, I'M TRYING TO TALK
Hey Grack, that's Artosis in the back, saying Scrap Station is T-balanced
But I didn't bitch, I just knew he was trollin', see I ain't like you
Cuase I'd rather watch Huk, he starts his games of with hi, have fun
Well, gotta go, time to watch Huk play select's crew
Oh shit, I forgot, Huk BM's ZeNEX members too.


This better be in the vid if one is being made.
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