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McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 01:22:59
November 11 2010 01:22 GMT
#21
Just chiming in to say that I think it's hilarious that people are using phrases like "non-physical sport".
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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 01:24:42
November 11 2010 01:23 GMT
#22
On November 11 2010 10:06 TieN.nS) wrote:
Girl-only tournaments are a joke because any self-respecting female gamer enters the open entry tournaments. The ones that do enter the female-only tournaments are there solely to attention whore. Shout outs to team PMS~


And yet everyone knows and cares about names like ToSsGirL and Pikachu, and Clan PMS totally reeks of "look at me, I'm a girl, holding an Xbox controller."

Not seeing your point.
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Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 01:27:33
November 11 2010 01:26 GMT
#23
I signed up for and am strongly supporting the ESL Female SC2 Cup because I think there are a lot of girls out there who are hesitant about competing in online tournaments and a female-only cup might be a good way to draw them out. This is actually the first real tournament I've ever competed in - I've never felt confident enough to compete in a tournament before, mostly because I really really sucked at SC but also because I didn't want to draw a ton of attention for being a girl (as in "the only girl") and I didn't want to get bm'd. I think a lot of girls might see this tournament and realize that competing in online tournaments isn't just about cutthroat competition for lots of prize money where people just say "gl hf" and "gg" - it can also be a social event where people just play for fun and to meet others they might be friends with.
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
November 11 2010 01:28 GMT
#24
If it wasn't for female communities and exclusive leagues, there would be less incentive for partaking in the activity (in this case SC2). I'm all for female leagues, as it brings female gamers into a competitive light and we are more likely to see them then compete in mainstream leagues.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 11 2010 01:56 GMT
#25
On November 11 2010 10:23 .Aar wrote:
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On November 11 2010 10:06 TieN.nS) wrote:
Girl-only tournaments are a joke because any self-respecting female gamer enters the open entry tournaments. The ones that do enter the female-only tournaments are there solely to attention whore. Shout outs to team PMS~


And yet everyone knows and cares about names like ToSsGirL and Pikachu, and Clan PMS totally reeks of "look at me, I'm a girl, holding an Xbox controller."

Not seeing your point.


You actually misread my post. Obviously PMS is a prime example of typical "girl gamers."

There's no physiological reason that women shouldn't be able to compete on the same level as men in video games. Female-only tournaments are just there as a sideshow attraction for men to gawk at pretty girls, and honestly should be insulting to female gamers that actually have a passion for the game.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 11 2010 02:15 GMT
#26
On November 11 2010 10:56 TieN.nS) wrote:
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On November 11 2010 10:23 .Aar wrote:
On November 11 2010 10:06 TieN.nS) wrote:
Girl-only tournaments are a joke because any self-respecting female gamer enters the open entry tournaments. The ones that do enter the female-only tournaments are there solely to attention whore. Shout outs to team PMS~


And yet everyone knows and cares about names like ToSsGirL and Pikachu, and Clan PMS totally reeks of "look at me, I'm a girl, holding an Xbox controller."

Not seeing your point.


You actually misread my post. Obviously PMS is a prime example of typical "girl gamers."

There's no physiological reason that women shouldn't be able to compete on the same level as men in video games. Female-only tournaments are just there as a sideshow attraction for men to gawk at pretty girls, and honestly should be insulting to female gamers that actually have a passion for the game.

You're not understanding the fundamental reason girl-only leagues exist: to encourage girls to play and to provide a place where they can play with other girls. It's not about whether they can compete with guys, or whether they should.

Yeah, in a perfect world girls would enter open tournaments. But for some reason (many of which you can guess), they don't. Are you calling anyone that enters a nation war tournament, or CSL tournament, or any other tournament based on any arbitrary classification an "attention whore?" Obviously not, so why would you consider a girl division any different?

I'm all for the ESL Female tournaments, I think they're a good way to encourage more female participation in SC2 and RTS games. There's really no downside at all.
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ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
November 11 2010 02:21 GMT
#27
Girls in esports is like female gladiators (not to be confused with the show 'Gladiators').
It's really hot in fantasy, but in real life it's like any other games.

I like people complaining about female only tournaments, trying to imply it's 'sexist'. Do not worry about non-korean tournaments. You know because that's 'racist'.
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Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
November 11 2010 02:38 GMT
#28
I was watching the ESL replays of Pikachu vs who ever and...wow...i felt like I was watching some gold players. It was clear that pikachu was far ahead of the skill of her opponent but even then she wasn't anything special =\. Not trying to be sexist or offensive to her or the league but it seems on average the skill level is lower. Not saying they can't train and move up the ranks as quick or even as well as a man, just for what ever reason there are far fewer women who will put in the time to become "godlike".
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Akasha
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States261 Posts
November 11 2010 04:23 GMT
#29
On November 11 2010 10:26 Peanutsc wrote:
I signed up for and am strongly supporting the ESL Female SC2 Cup because I think there are a lot of girls out there who are hesitant about competing in online tournaments and a female-only cup might be a good way to draw them out. This is actually the first real tournament I've ever competed in - I've never felt confident enough to compete in a tournament before, mostly because I really really sucked at SC but also because I didn't want to draw a ton of attention for being a girl (as in "the only girl") and I didn't want to get bm'd. I think a lot of girls might see this tournament and realize that competing in online tournaments isn't just about cutthroat competition for lots of prize money where people just say "gl hf" and "gg" - it can also be a social event where people just play for fun and to meet others they might be friends with.


This is also my reason for joining the cup too. I have done ESL cups in the past and I haven't really ran into any trouble with other players. I just thought what the hell and decided to join up (and then it turns out I misread the day and its during the time of a test :/).

I think it's funny that people are getting bent out of shape about a cup that is not even giving away prize money. I mean if the female cup was giving away more money then say Go4SC2 Cup then I would see where people would get upset but come on...
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chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
November 11 2010 04:42 GMT
#30
It's a difficult topic.

I don't think there is any reason why girls and boys shouldn't all compete together. It doesn't really help us to only be playing other girls if that means we are training and competing against players of lesser ability, after all. To improve, you want to be playing against the best opponents you can find.

Part of me thinks, this "sheltered workshop" approach with special girls-only leagues and competitions is either patronising (in presuming women are (and will always be) incapable of competing against the men), or the cheapest smarmiest kind of marketing exploitation (whatever her merits as a player you can't say her team didn't use tossgirl's image to market themselves). (Though to be fair they do that more than a little with the boys too these days.)

On the other hand though, a lot of the Starcraft community does seem very boys locker-room a lot of the time, and to be frank it can be kind of intimidating, basically you don't want to treated any differently and that means not talking about being a girl, but then that means that the "boys only" ambiance never changes.

So I don't know.

However, if people decide to set up tournaments for women to get them started well I'm certainly going to support that.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
November 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#31
On November 11 2010 09:51 nttea wrote:
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On November 11 2010 09:41 SubtleArt wrote:
Why is that? From what I have seen, girls perform on par with their male counterparts (no sex jokes) and there should be no reason that girls are locked out.


See the thing is they don't. That's just the truth. Shoving all attempts at political correctness aside, they don't. You can attribute that to whatever you like, most probably the fact that gaming isn't really considered a "girl" thing just as fashion designing isn't really a "guy" thing, but in the end it's just obvious that girls aren't as good as video gaming. This is making no reference to their intelligence or their potential for playing video games or anything. It's just that through a combination of several factors, most prominent of which is the social stigma thing, girls don't play as many video games and don't have as much of an interest in the,.

Look at Sc1...there used to be a girl's league that TossGirl roflstomped into oblivion. When she entered the male leagues, she was just another extremely obscure progamer that wasn't good enough to make it into SLs or play televised games for her team. Hence people don't like watching girl gaming leagues, because any time a player wins theres this nagging feeling that you could be watching the guy's league instead where the level of play is way higher


no, they do perform on par. It's just that comparing the number of girls to the number of guys trying to get good at starcraft you will find that girls are pretty well represented in the top level, that is not really at all.


No they don't. The best girl progamer is worse than the best guy progamer, and an average girl progamer is worse than an average guy progamer
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chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
November 11 2010 06:23 GMT
#32
On November 11 2010 15:02 SubtleArt wrote:
No they don't. The best girl progamer is worse than the best guy progamer, and an average girl progamer is worse than an average guy progamer


This is true, but it is contingently true, not necessarily true. Which is to say, it is perfectly possible to conceive of a world in which women, as a class, compete in BW/SC2 at the same level as men, as a class, ie. gender does not correlate with performance. At present, this is not the case. Things such as women-only tournaments may, arguably, enable such a situation to come about in the future - for the reasons canvassed by various posters above.
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Fatty800
Profile Joined September 2010
United States50 Posts
November 11 2010 06:55 GMT
#33
Based on the experience of joining an open tournament (Zrealm plat and below) with vent required. it was pretty damn fun playing with the guys. everyone was pretty nice. no one acted like idiots (i wouldnt have mind if they did). at most they just tried to guess my nationality based on my voice.

if any girl wants to join esports competitively, they need to have a mindset that guys will be guys and not expect all of them to be gentlemen. the fact is that sc2 is a male dominate esport and will be for a very long time. theres absolutely no reason to be putoff by "immaturity", just need to crush some epeens. CRRUUUSSHHHH!!!!!!!

its awesome how theyre trying to get female gamers in with the female tournys. i already had the mindset of joining any tournament i can for practice and experience. even though the first tournament i joined was plat and below with no prize, it was nerve wrecking at the start due to the unfamiliarity. i will probably join the female tournys and see how that is.

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Deleted_143
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia256 Posts
November 11 2010 07:52 GMT
#34
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Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
November 11 2010 08:24 GMT
#35
i know some counter stike people who were upset by a female only league. They were complaining that female only teams were just a publicity stunt.

Personally I welcome female only leagues because they get more people intested in the game especially if a top player just so happens to be a famous taiwanese pop singer.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 11 2010 08:32 GMT
#36
On a somewhat related topis, is there research / data on why women aren't as successful as men in competitive chess? As gamers we could probable learn from the reasons if there are any identified there.

Similarly, can something be said about women in high stakes poker?

Chess, gaming, poker should all be professions where intuitively you wouldn't say women are at a natural disadvantage.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 11 2010 08:39 GMT
#37
I see nothing wrong with female only tournaments, its the same reason we have gold and lower or platinum and lower tournaments that exclude the highest diamond players. It's just to take a rank fo a different sample size for once.

For Counterstrike they had female only teams/tournaments but that was mostly as a "sideshow" of sorts to draw in more viewers/spectators, but for online tournaments i see nothign wrong with it.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 09:10:14
November 11 2010 09:05 GMT
#38
On November 11 2010 17:32 zatic wrote:
On a somewhat related topis, is there research / data on why women aren't as successful as men in competitive chess? As gamers we could probable learn from the reasons if there are any identified there.

Similarly, can something be said about women in high stakes poker?

Chess, gaming, poker should all be professions where intuitively you wouldn't say women are at a natural disadvantage.

Overall, I suspect the popularity of said activities among women might have a lot to do with it. Just speaking from a purely statistical perspective, the more people you have in your talent pool, the more likely it is that one of them will be really, really good. For instance, take BW progaming. In theory, Koreans shouldn't have an inherent advantage over foreigners. However, they have a lot more people interested in competing on a competitive level, and as a result, all the best players are Korean. Speaking from my own experiences, I've been to a couple chess clubs in my lifetime. Usually, the ratio of women to men is maybe about 1:7 at best.

In short, it could very well be that there's a fantastic female chess or starcraft player out there, but if they never pick up the game, their talent would never be discovered.

Edit: Here's one study
http://scienceblogs.com/purepedantry/2007/01/participation_explains_differe.php
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 11 2010 09:40 GMT
#39
What about competitive Scrabble? the player pool is predominately female on the amateur level, yet the competitive scene is overwhelmingly male.

How does participation explain that there are no exceptionally well doing females in intellectual sports? I agree that you would expect the top level to come largely from the male player pool, yet it shouldn't explain why there is hardly any outliers to the assumption (or is there?).
To draw an analogy, in Golf Martin Kaymer comes from Germany, a country with next to zero public interest in the sport and a very thin player base yet he is #3 on the world rank now. Why are such exceptions not happening with females in competitive intellectual sports.

Participation obviously is a large factor but can not explain the phenomenon alone. There must be more to it. Does anybody have more data on this? I am genuinely interested.
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
November 12 2010 04:21 GMT
#40
Dunno what you're talking about when you mention Smash Bros. From what I see the melee community is really accepting regardless of gender, race or whatever. Unless you're talking about Brawl, but that game's garbage anyways, like this other game that is a successor to a better game heh.
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