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Need to edit h264/x264 videos - How?

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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
October 08 2010 09:52 GMT
#1
I've been long seeking a way to get my standard videos into vegas or even After Effects. I encode generally to h264 or x264 in the mkv container, but unfortunately none of these programs seem to support these formats despite their widespread usage.

A suggestion was made on a few occasions to try using an AVS script with DirectStream to fake getting the videos into the programs, even into virtualdub, but as far as I can tell this doesn't work.

I need to edit a variety of my videos in this format for compilations or to shorten them considerably for public presentations. For example, I have several hours of Vindictus beta footage but a fair amount of it is idling. I'd also like to make a compilation of my sc2 footage which contains all of my outbursts and rants, but that's around ~150-200 videos and climbing - trying to re-encode them is out of the question!

Is this hopeless?

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Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
October 08 2010 10:53 GMT
#2
Could you maybe mention how you recorded this footage originally? I can try and assist ☻
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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
October 08 2010 11:27 GMT
#3
I use fraps and encode them with megui.
fredd
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Estonia256 Posts
October 08 2010 12:16 GMT
#4
yeah i've had the same problem. mp4 / mkv just isn't made for editing, you should only use it for final renders.. until then, lagarith.
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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
October 08 2010 12:35 GMT
#5
Yeah... not an option for what I do.
fredd
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Estonia256 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 14:20:34
October 08 2010 14:17 GMT
#6
well.. there really isn't much choice. x264 isn't made for source files and as far as i've seen there aren't any programs that handle it well as a source, probably due to the compression used in x264 - takes a lot to decode it. You should really set things so that you can use the direct source from Fraps (which isn't even lossless, so it shouldn't take THAT much space.) Basically, you need to buy more HDD room.. as for the x264 files you have currently.. well, i wish you good luck. if you do figure out a way besides re-encoding them, let me know.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 08 2010 16:00 GMT
#7
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVExtractGUI

use this to extract the streams
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
October 08 2010 17:07 GMT
#8
On October 08 2010 21:16 fredd wrote:
yeah i've had the same problem. mp4 / mkv just isn't made for editing, you should only use it for final renders.. until then, lagarith.

It's not really the container but rather the codec you aren't suppose to really edit highly compressed stream of data. You could always just edit it with AVS files if you know how to write them you can do just about every basic editing technique such as cutting, speeding up etc.
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
October 08 2010 18:46 GMT
#9
On October 08 2010 23:17 fredd wrote:
well.. there really isn't much choice. x264 isn't made for source files and as far as i've seen there aren't any programs that handle it well as a source, probably due to the compression used in x264 - takes a lot to decode it. You should really set things so that you can use the direct source from Fraps (which isn't even lossless, so it shouldn't take THAT much space.) Basically, you need to buy more HDD room.. as for the x264 files you have currently.. well, i wish you good luck. if you do figure out a way besides re-encoding them, let me know.



I have 5.5 terabytes of HD space but nowhere near enough for 40-50 hours of 1920x1200 video in fraps format and ~10 hours of 960x600 in fraps format. I don't have any additional ports for more drives nor do I have the money. As I said, it is not feasible for what I do.

I need a way to edit the videos as-is without re-encoding or using up a petabyte of drive space. I don't care if it's laggy to edit them, it's laggy to edit 10 hours of a single xvid avi in vegas anyways.


a176 > Tried that a while ago but vegas won't open those either, unless there's some stupidly obvious thing I am missing.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 08 2010 23:52 GMT
#10
not sure then, perhaps vegas itself is just incapable of importing the format. have you tried other software like adobe premiere?

my last resort would be to google 'video editor import x264' ...
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
October 08 2010 23:57 GMT
#11
On October 09 2010 08:52 a176 wrote:
not sure then, perhaps vegas itself is just incapable of importing the format. have you tried other software like adobe premiere?

my last resort would be to google 'video editor import x264' ...

Don't think Premiere can do it (at least not by itself). Maybe with a plugin?
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