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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 18:26 GMT
#1


Just when I think "people can't get any dumber...", someone goes and proves me wrong.

I mean seriously, what did he think was gonna happen?

****
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Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
October 06 2010 18:30 GMT
#2
Whoa. What a jerk. Can't say he dosent deserve it after how impatient he was :/
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
October 06 2010 18:36 GMT
#3
Apparently the guy died. I can't stop laughing though.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
October 06 2010 18:39 GMT
#4
holy fuck i did not expect that. I dont know whether I should laugh or not...
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Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
October 06 2010 18:46 GMT
#5
holy fuck did he just fall down that elevator shaft? O_O

Imagine if he survived the fall, did the elevator come back down and crush him?
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NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 06 2010 18:46 GMT
#6
why did he think that ramming the elevator door was a good idea. Its not going to make the elevator come back any faster. And after he did it the first time, and saw the doors breaking he didnt think humm falling down an elevator shaft is a bad idea.

I have no sympathy for the stupid
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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
October 06 2010 18:47 GMT
#7
was expecting ultralisks.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
October 06 2010 18:52 GMT
#8
On October 07 2010 03:46 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
why did he think that ramming the elevator door was a good idea. Its not going to make the elevator come back any faster. And after he did it the first time, and saw the doors breaking he didnt think humm falling down an elevator shaft is a bad idea.

I have no sympathy for the stupid

uhm, I doubt he actually wanted to ram it. to me it looks more like he was hoping to still get in before the doors closed and couldn't react fast enough to brake

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mtmf
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Brazil420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 18:58:26
October 06 2010 18:56 GMT
#9
I think you didn't watch the whole video...
(–_–)
howerpower
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States619 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 18:57:27
October 06 2010 18:57 GMT
#10
On October 07 2010 03:52 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 03:46 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
why did he think that ramming the elevator door was a good idea. Its not going to make the elevator come back any faster. And after he did it the first time, and saw the doors breaking he didnt think humm falling down an elevator shaft is a bad idea.

I have no sympathy for the stupid

uhm, I doubt he actually wanted to ram it. to me it looks more like he was hoping to still get in before the doors closed and couldn't react fast enough to brake


did you even watch it man?

He saw the elevator go down, he rammed once, and rammed twice.

Interestingly, he chose not to ram a third time =D
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
October 06 2010 18:57 GMT
#11
On October 07 2010 03:52 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 03:46 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
why did he think that ramming the elevator door was a good idea. Its not going to make the elevator come back any faster. And after he did it the first time, and saw the doors breaking he didnt think humm falling down an elevator shaft is a bad idea.

I have no sympathy for the stupid

uhm, I doubt he actually wanted to ram it. to me it looks more like he was hoping to still get in before the doors closed and couldn't react fast enough to brake


so once the elevator went down he decided to try and catch it two more times?
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 06 2010 19:05 GMT
#12
On October 07 2010 03:36 Wr3k wrote:
Apparently the guy died. I can't stop laughing though.


After he hit it a second time, I thought to myself "Hit it again and fall down the shaft, fucker."

Did not disappoint.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
October 06 2010 19:05 GMT
#13
oh I just stopped watching when he hit it the first time lol
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 06 2010 19:08 GMT
#14
Social Darwinism at work!
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32112 Posts
October 06 2010 19:17 GMT
#15
On October 07 2010 04:05 Carnac wrote:
oh I just stopped watching when he hit it the first time lol


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this is hilariousssss
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
October 06 2010 19:19 GMT
#16
It looks like...

his impatience was his downfall.


YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

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sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
October 06 2010 19:22 GMT
#17
I believe that was Larry David in the lift.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 06 2010 19:32 GMT
#18
what the...
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SageFantasma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States383 Posts
October 06 2010 19:37 GMT
#19
I don't care if I go to hell, I find this to be funny as fuck.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
October 06 2010 19:37 GMT
#20
Do you guys realize this guy could have been mentally handicapped?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 19:38 GMT
#21
No. Ramming speed, Mr. Sulu!
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 06 2010 19:39 GMT
#22
That's a possibility, but if he was mentally challenged like that they wouldn't let him use a motorized vehicle.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 19:41 GMT
#23

News clip!
He died, but he wasn't MD. He was just pissed.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
October 06 2010 19:49 GMT
#24
They really televised his death? How...awkward.
And yes, dumb beyond reason.
Sup.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 06 2010 19:51 GMT
#25
Damn elevator door ain´t stopping me from going down!

IMO that´s a pretty unique way to kill yourself, could be worse.
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howerpower
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States619 Posts
October 06 2010 19:53 GMT
#26
On October 07 2010 04:41 tofucake wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44MPUTB6QQ
News clip!
He died, but he wasn't MD. He was just pissed.


His ramming actually caused fires and chaos in the streets apparently. This guy was pissed
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
October 06 2010 20:03 GMT
#27
Someone needs to come up with a new standard for elevator doors or something... I mean that looked like it was a relatively light bump. Although after bending the damn thing he should've caught on, but oh well.
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 20:07:45
October 06 2010 20:04 GMT
#28
that is so hilariously misguided haha, I literally fell out of my chair even if this apparently has a rather :S ending.

this is on par with trying to curb-stomp oneself out of anger at dental costs or whatever, makes no sense.


edit: He might not have thought he'd fall down the shaft but after the second bump but a 3rd one had at least a better than good chance of making that elevator shaft go out of order which I guess might have been his motive.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
October 06 2010 20:05 GMT
#29
On October 07 2010 05:04 Grebliv wrote:
that is so hilariously misguided haha, I literally fell out of my chair even if this apparently has a rather :S ending.

this is on par with trying to curb-stomp oneself out of anger at dental costs or whatever, makes no sense.

Yeah it's irresistible, I've watched it like five times and still laugh, both before and after finding out he died. Poor guy though, probably shouldn't have done that.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
October 06 2010 20:25 GMT
#30
On October 07 2010 04:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
Social Darwinism at work!

this man deserves a darwin award
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GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 20:30:32
October 06 2010 20:27 GMT
#31
Holy cow, that was hilarious. This guy had a deathwish. He must have broken his legs doing something simlar. What an idiot loll.....

Seriously though, his family may have a legal case vs. Blizzard. He played so much SC the genuinely thought he had become an ultralisk.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 20:39 GMT
#32
On October 07 2010 05:27 GreatFall wrote:
Holy cow, that was hilarious. This guy had a deathwish. He must have broken his legs doing something simlar. What an idiot loll.....

No. He died.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
October 06 2010 20:46 GMT
#33
On October 07 2010 05:39 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 05:27 GreatFall wrote:
Holy cow, that was hilarious. This guy had a deathwish. He must have broken his legs doing something simlar. What an idiot loll.....

No. He died.

He said doing something similar. He means the reason he's in a chair in the first place is because he did something like try to karate kick an elevator door or incontrol.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
October 06 2010 20:47 GMT
#34
Kind of a downer that he died... It was pretty comical until I saw that.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 20:50:06
October 06 2010 20:49 GMT
#35
On October 07 2010 04:53 howerpower wrote:
His ramming actually caused fires and chaos in the streets apparently. This guy was pissed

I was composed until I saw this comment with the news clip. You sir made me laugh at this.
(he didn't deserve that end...)
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 20:52 GMT
#36
On October 07 2010 05:46 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 05:39 tofucake wrote:
On October 07 2010 05:27 GreatFall wrote:
Holy cow, that was hilarious. This guy had a deathwish. He must have broken his legs doing something simlar. What an idiot loll.....

No. He died.

He said doing something similar. He means the reason he's in a chair in the first place is because he did something like try to karate kick an elevator door or incontrol.

No, he was clearly in a wheelchair in the first place because if he wasn't we wouldn't have this video.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
October 06 2010 21:32 GMT
#37
On October 07 2010 04:19 SCC-Faust wrote:
It looks like...

his impatience was his downfall.


YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Post of the day. It inspired me.

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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
October 06 2010 21:39 GMT
#38
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 21:47:42
October 06 2010 21:46 GMT
#39
I can't stop laughing, but I don't know if the video or everyone trying to explain past tense to tofucake is funnier (or maybe Carnac's warning ) . Thanks for sharing though it is horrible that he lost his life this way.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
October 06 2010 21:48 GMT
#40
I probably would've stopped ramming after seeing that the door was moving a dangerous amount...
But in all seriousness, I am at a loss for words. Why would someone ram an elevator door like that? That doesn't make the thing come down any faster. >.<
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
October 06 2010 21:50 GMT
#41
On October 07 2010 06:39 boesthius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 05:52 tofucake wrote:
On October 07 2010 05:46 Ancestral wrote:
On October 07 2010 05:39 tofucake wrote:
On October 07 2010 05:27 GreatFall wrote:
Holy cow, that was hilarious. This guy had a deathwish. He must have broken his legs doing something simlar. What an idiot loll.....

No. He died.

He said doing something similar. He means the reason he's in a chair in the first place is because he did something like try to karate kick an elevator door or incontrol.

No, he was clearly in a wheelchair in the first place because if he wasn't we wouldn't have this video.

Tofucake - read. He's saying the reason he was in a wheelchair in the first place was because he did something similar to what was shown in the video prior to the events of said video. He's not saying that he was in the motorized scooter because of the video.

Read, please

I was trying to recover. Stop destroying my thinly veiled attempt at recovery.
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howerpower
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States619 Posts
October 06 2010 21:58 GMT
#42
On October 07 2010 06:32 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 04:19 SCC-Faust wrote:
It looks like...

his impatience was his downfall.


YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Post of the day. It inspired me.

[image loading]


User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.


ah that's a good one.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
October 06 2010 22:07 GMT
#43
Yeah, getting banned for that is a good way to do it :D made me laugh
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
October 06 2010 22:22 GMT
#44
I don't know what to say about this. I feel bad, and I don't understand..
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katabroc
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil5 Posts
October 07 2010 01:25 GMT
#45
That's so funny, I've send to all my friends, even my boss received it.

Serious, if someone do something as dumb as that, he deserves to die.

There's no logical reason on ramming an elevator 3 times (remembering that he DID notice the door was damaged on the second ram) and keep going on with that.

I was joking with a friend, that elevator was going to "the hive" (Resident Evil) and after a few seconds going down slowly, it would go awesome faster to the 2000th floor under the surface. So that means he would have fell around 6.000m, so that would explain his death :D

Anyway, I love morbid things and will laugh everytime I remember this.

As someone said, this is a very unique way o dying...
Lalala
lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
October 07 2010 01:50 GMT
#46
I like how everyone just assumes this guy's too stupid to realize that'd he'd fall down the shoot. Maybe he actually wanted to die? For someone to be so aggravated in the first place to want to ram and break an elevator door down with his cart simply because no one opened it for him has likely got a real serious issue in his life. Maybe he's angry about his disability, and this was the last straw? I highly doubt that this guy didn't know what would happen if he rammed down the elevator door; from the video it didn't even look like he tried to do anything once he realized he was going down the chute. Or maybe it's an angry action that really clouded his judgment? It's so easy to look at it from an objective point of view and call the guy a moron, but I think that disregards a lot of issues that are probably relevant to really understanding what happened.

But it was pretty funny. Damn you internet.
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