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On September 27 2010 06:33 BartooToo wrote:
@mOnion, Am I asking whether I should be a pro gamer?? No, I'm asking for ways to train..
@Milkis, nah, I'm not just starting and I did think about it, it was just an example, but as I reread my post I indeed wasn't clear, it's because English isn't my native language.
But ehh, any idea's on how to measure it?
i know. its just that if you actually had the ability, this thread wouldnt exist
why dont u just play the game first.
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@ mOninon
You have the most posts, so anything I can't go up against you anyway, but I still disagree with you.
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On September 27 2010 06:41 BartooToo wrote:
@ mOninon
You have the most posts, so anything I can't go up against you anyway, but I still disagree with you.
lol my posts dont matter, I just feel like you havent thought this through.
If i went to a powerlifting forum and said I wanted to be a pro powerlifter, how do i train? they'd be like "workout" and i'd be like okay. but the fact remains that if i truly wanted to achieve that goal that a seed would've been planted much earlier. its not spontaneous like that.
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edit ; i hate breaking dream , do what you want 
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@Monion, I have to hand it to you, you're right in a sense.I might have not thought this over reall well but you have to note that it's not in any way a definite decision, I'm going to try for some time and I'll see after.
I still think my question has nothing to do with potential, a good bodybuilder has at some point asked a question about the food he should eat.
No hard feelings or anything...
Bart
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If you want to be a pro, you will have to quit school, train at LEAST 8 hours a day, and maybe move to Korea in the future. Are you willing and dedicated enough to do that? If you aren't sure, don't even try it, its too risky. If you want to find out what its like to be a progamer, play the game for 10 hours a day for a month, and ask yourself if you're still interested and have fun playing the game. If you are not having fun anymore, just quit then and there.
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"im young"
nuff said.
most good players are already REALLY REALLY good before they decide to become pro.
GL tho
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1) Stay in school, play SC2 for fun and focus on getting better.
2) Graduate high school on the top 200 board and re-evaluate.
3) Do what you want while having educated yourself on what it really takes to become "good" at the game and at the same time not closing any other doors of success.
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On September 27 2010 06:45 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 06:41 BartooToo wrote:
@ mOninon
You have the most posts, so anything I can't go up against you anyway, but I still disagree with you. lol my posts dont matter, I just feel like you havent thought this through. If i went to a powerlifting forum and said I wanted to be a pro powerlifter, how do i train? they'd be like "workout" and i'd be like okay. but the fact remains that if i truly wanted to achieve that goal that a seed would've been planted much earlier. its not spontaneous like that.
thats only relevant if you dont have any willpower. you can spontaneously decide to be good at something and be successful if you can make yourself work at it.
until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for.
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On September 27 2010 07:51 Tazza wrote:
If you want to be a pro, you will have to quit school, train at LEAST 8 hours a day, and maybe move to Korea in the future. Are you willing and dedicated enough to do that? If you aren't sure, don't even try it, its too risky. If you want to find out what its like to be a progamer, play the game for 10 hours a day for a month, and ask yourself if you're still interested and have fun playing the game. If you are not having fun anymore, just quit then and there.
Best advice so far.
Playing 10 hours a day isn't fun for most people. And quite a good proportion of progamers actually hate being progamers (Guemchi, Really, etc). And they had a team to support them, so they had an income even if they didn't win any tournament.
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Dedication. That's all. Being able to tell yourself that you're going to go on 10 hour sc2 grindfest and actually commit to it. There's really no secret to it.
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It's only possible to make a living by playing Brood War in Korea.
I'm pretty sure you can get by with only a few hours every day for SC2 though, and do it part-time.
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Just with 4-5 hours a day you can still become an amazing and high level sc2 player.
I guesse what Monion is trying to say is that becomming actual pro-gamer is limitting you to very few choices in life because you have to sacrifice so much time, and it is not like gaming-skills can transition you into something useful in real life in case of failing to become a pro-gamer.
If you can focus on dedicated gaming training while studieing, then you will be very best suited for whatever the future will show.
I am badminton trainer in my spare time and the same ideas follows into sc2. The absolute basics are so underrated. So saying you "just" need to play a lot of games is so unprofessional and by far not an intelligent and time-saving solution.
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Chose a race and get one solid buildorder per match up. Practice the hell out of them. If you want to make it easier for yourself, chose Terran and go fact port in all match ups . Play for several ours per day and analyze your replays. Study the progamers. GLHF.
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On September 27 2010 12:19 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 06:45 mOnion wrote:On September 27 2010 06:41 BartooToo wrote:
@ mOninon
You have the most posts, so anything I can't go up against you anyway, but I still disagree with you. lol my posts dont matter, I just feel like you havent thought this through. If i went to a powerlifting forum and said I wanted to be a pro powerlifter, how do i train? they'd be like "workout" and i'd be like okay. but the fact remains that if i truly wanted to achieve that goal that a seed would've been planted much earlier. its not spontaneous like that. thats only relevant if you dont have any willpower. you can spontaneously decide to be good at something and be successful if you can make yourself work at it. until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for.
I also believe this to be true. I have a friend in particular who enjoys the journey more than the result, so he often becomes great at something and then learns to do something new. He enjoys the challenge of getting there, more-so than the actual result. Most recently, he has become a professional ski-tourer, and is on the Canadian Ski Tour team and is doing very well. Previous to that he was a tree planter, and he worked his way up that to the top as well. Previous to that, he ran multiple marathons and did well at that. If he puts his mind to it and focuses, he'll put the work in to do it. It's part of his personality.
It's easy to write skills off as people having no life, and being losers. This attitude likely comes from jealousy of some sort. In the end though, it's just simple hard work. Even if it's something like being able to perform magic tricks, the hours and hours of practice that go into it are what make you good at something. People don't get good at something based upon skill alone. Skill might come into play in terms of mildly limiting your absolute potential, but I think people gravely underestimate the value of hard work in terms of excelling in any particular area.
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@Satire,
I fully agree with you.
I know a lot of people with tons of talent for stuff they do, they just don't have the motivation to try to become really good.
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If you want to become a progamer, then by all means, pursue that dream. Don't get discouraged by everyone being negative and giving unrealistic advice. You don't have to quit school and practice 10 hours a day, at least not to begin with.
I suggest you start off by playing the game a lot. Get a simple understanding of every matchup. Also, get one build order for every matchup you play, then only use these build orders, and practice them until you know them perfectly. You will soon realize what they lose to, and so you will start understanding the matchup more and what you have to do to survive to the different things that can kill you.
Don't focus on anything fancy like worker harass, fast apm, lots of multitasking and what not. Just get a basic feel of the game. These things will develop as you play, until you are at a point where you actually need to practice them to become better. This shouldn't happen until you're pretty high Diamond.
Set goals for yourself. This is the best way to learn pretty much anything, always have goals. A list of goals and noting down what goals you accomplish is good. This will also make you see your progression and encourage you to continue. Some examples could be: don't get supply blocked for three games in a row, manage to play three games in a row with under ~400-600 minerals at all times, execute your build order perfectly for three games in a row, get to silver from bronze, and so on. Kind of like personal achievements.
Don't be afraid to lose. Don't ladder to win, ladder to learn. It doesn't matter if you lose 20 games in a row in bronze league, losing is in fact better than winning. Losing shows that you are doing something wrong, and that this can be corrected.
At first you don't have to say "I'm gonna play this game 6h a day because I want to be good!", that will only discourage you as a new player because this game IS punishing to a new player. Just play it reguraly to begin with.
Also, I don't know about you, but most people can't really handle really big goals as they get discouraged by the time it takes to accomplish them. Instead of saying "I want to be a progamer", set your first goal to be a silver or gold player. Then go from there.
Hope this helped, good luck with doing what you want!
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Thanks Snaiil, I'll take it into account
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You need to love the game because I doubt it will be possible to support yourself by playing Starcraft 2. It'll either be a half time job or just a serious hobby. Get to high diamond level and learn the game. By the time you get that done you will probably have decided whether or not you really want to be a progamer and play this game several hours a day. Doesn't take too much effort to get to diamond so it's not like if you quit then everything will have gone to waste, you can still play as a hobby.
Oh and how old are you?
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No progamer ever came onto a forum and asked how to do it
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