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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
Okay, some of you know me already. I loved Brood War to bits, but just didn’t have the skill necessary to get particularly good at it. Naturally, when SC2 came out, I felt I should just put in the time and effort this time, ladder as much as possible, be the best I could be. I hoped that I could at least be good enough that just hopping on for a quick game wouldn’t be an exercise in shame and humiliation, like when I played BW.
How wrong I was.
The worst part about the whole thing is that, from what I’ve played so far, SC2 is nothing but cheese, cheese, cheese. I genuinely haven’t yet lost a game where someone didn’t cheese me. Take this most recent game I played, on Xel’Naga Caverns.
![[image loading]](http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8585/xelnaga1.jpg)
I started off in the top right, so as any good ‘toss player would, I open by setting up my proxy pylon and gateways, as indicated by the bright red squares on the map above. I start to chrono boost out my first zealots, and…
![[image loading]](http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6371/xelnaga2.jpg)
Lo and behold! He has set up a pair of proxy barracks directly behind my proxy 2 gate, he has, in effect, cheesed my cheese… the only solution for this was to get DTs as quickly as possible, so I teched to the shrine as fast as I could, and put it in a hidden location, as indicated on this map. If he was going to cheese, I’d damn well show him that I was ready to cheese his cheese on my cheese.
![[image loading]](http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3396/xelnaga3.png)
Unfortunately, just as the shrine came up, he landed a factory beside it that must have been floating around the back of my base for like… the whole game. Then started producing like, a million hellions. There’s just no way to scout that kind of play.
The real problem here is that I’m a diamond player with 2,000 ELO and I’ve played 900 games… and terran is so imba that once they decide to cheese you, you don't have a chance.
  
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
I wouldn't be SO angry about it, but flying buildings are 100% imba.
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I mean, you could've just had a couple of stalkers out, couldn't you?
Likewise, by the picture, having control of the xelnaga watch tower on the right would've helped you see the factory.
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Hmm? I don't think there are that many cheese threads so I can't find this very funny ._.
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Sc2 Theorem 4.5: Cheese begets whine.
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So you're complaining about seeing nothing but cheese, and yet you're proxy gating?
Also, there's no way you can scout an enemy factory in your base? You can't scout your base? You can't make spotter pylons?
EDIT: owait, did I just get trolled hardcore? /facepalm
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
On September 05 2010 08:39 Ursadon-n-Pals wrote:
Hmm? I don't think there are that many cheese threads so I can't find this very funny ._.
For some reason I couldn't get to TL earlier and spent half an hour on the battle.net boards. It was enlightening.
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I think you mean LADDER is nothing but cheese.
Also, map size has something to do with it.
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Wtf. You cheesed, and then complained about being beaten by cheese?
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2000 ELO is quite good IMO. You must be like Horang2 of the sequel o.O
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United States4126 Posts
On September 05 2010 08:33 SirJolt wrote:
The real problem here is that I’m a diamond player with 2,000 ELO and I’ve played 900 games… and terran is so imba that once they decide to cheese you, you don't have a chance.
I hope you're being sarcastic about that because there's no one who's even close to 2,000 in diamond right now.
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After the hellions came out you should have transitioned into a cannon rush.
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
On September 05 2010 08:56 Felka wrote:
After the hellions came out you should have transitioned into a cannon rush.
This is the most perfect suggestion. I can't believe I didn't think of it D:
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so you have played 900 games of cheese? ive played a total of 200 games, and only about 5 were cheese. i am about currently about 1140~ pts in diamond so...............................................
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when you are drowning in cheese, the only solution is to add more cheese to the pool of cheese. if you can add enough cheese then your opponent will drown in cheese before you do. or you can add crackers. if you add crackers then you can transition to standard play by eating the cheese. I don't know if you would want to, though.
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Maybe you just suck, just an idea.
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Yo dawg I heard you like cheese, so I put a cheese in your cheese, so you can counter cheese my cheese. Or something like that.
Though I had to facepalm, after seeing how many people took this blog for 'real'.
edit2: I also would have suggested voids or a mothership after the attempted proxy.
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So you cheese someone, only to lose to his cheese, and you claim that:
a) Sc2 is stupid cause everybody cheeses *COUGH COUGH*
b) Terran cheese is impossible to stop, completely ignoring the fact that a proxy factory is and always will be the correct counter to proxy gates.
I can't tell if this is a troll blog or not. If it is, well done. If it's not, grow the fuck up and stop whining.
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
On September 05 2010 09:47 Exteray wrote:
I, for one, was amused.
I'm pleased some were 
On September 05 2010 10:07 disformation wrote:
Though I had to facepalm, after seeing how many people took this blog for 'real'.
The worst part was that I tried to make it as clear as possible that it was parody. It's hard to imagine anything more ridiculous...
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4/5. Should have taken it further, could have at least worked in voidrays and banshees.
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On September 05 2010 10:10 SubtleArt wrote:I can't tell if this is a troll blog or not. If it is, well done. If it's not, grow the fuck up and stop whining.
That would be an awful amount of work to put into a troll blog.
If this is serious, it for sure exemplifies all of the problems in plat and low diamond right now. Starcraft has degenerated into 13-year olds trying to see who can cheese each other first
The other day I played 5 games straight in which I was cheesed. One guy actually tried flying double rax's across the map on scrap station to rush me. Like I'm not going to see that? They don't actually know how to play, they have no skills. They can build forges and cannon, that's it. Defeat the cheese and it's hilarious to watch them transition into nonsense builds.
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2,000 elo doesn't sound fake to you guys?
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
On September 05 2010 10:43 upinthis wrote:
2,000 elo doesn't sound fake to you guys?
Don't bring your reason in here, it's far too late for that.
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United States3241 Posts
On September 05 2010 08:52 Kinky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 08:33 SirJolt wrote:
The real problem here is that I’m a diamond player with 2,000 ELO and I’ve played 900 games… and terran is so imba that once they decide to cheese you, you don't have a chance.
I hope you're being sarcastic about that because there's no one who's even close to 2,000 in diamond right now.
No he means ELO, where you start with 2000.
Like the BW ELO ranking ^___^
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/detailed-elo
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I thought this was pretty funny until i realized you were trolling like 33% into it.
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Well then, what to do when you face a lot of cheese? Practice to fend it off. Make custom games, get friends to cheese you, practice what to do in certain situations so when you actualyl do get cheesed in ladder, you will feel comfortable nonetheless.
Although I have to admit...this was still a bizzare situation....
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He made a million hellions, why didn't you warp in any units?
Or DTs?
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
On September 05 2010 10:52 Kashll wrote:
I thought this was pretty funny until i realized you were trolling like 33% into it.
Parody and trolling are different things 
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On September 05 2010 10:45 SirJolt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 10:43 upinthis wrote:
2,000 elo doesn't sound fake to you guys? Don't bring your reason in here, it's far too late for that.
its not late when people still think there's a chance you were serious
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I started off in the top right, so as any good ‘toss player would, I open by setting up my proxy pylon and gateways,
Haha, of course. I found this funny. Sense of humor everyone. GET SOME
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On September 05 2010 11:37 SirJolt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 10:52 Kashll wrote:
I thought this was pretty funny until i realized you were trolling like 33% into it. Parody and trolling are different things
Well point taken. Parody is often used in trolling attempts, but you are right that trolling is not an accurate term to characterize this blog. I was speaking innacurately and loosely.
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
Sorry Kashll, I had hoped people would enjoy it, so I had been kind of thrown off balance.
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hahah sir jolt, well done. if you need a terran to make some actual replays to further confuse people, let me know =P
although in actual games, i've seen cheesers get cheesed, its quite fun to watch. i had a TvT base race on kulas ravine where each of us flew our bases and relocated at least 4 or 5 times each.
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Wait... He's complaining about cheese.... But he started the game by cheesing. Am I the only one that see's the irony here?
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1/5, would be 0 if not for posts like this:
I can't tell if this is a troll blog or not
Really? Did you read the end?
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i would've countered with mass sentry, but that's just me
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On September 06 2010 01:47 wootasaurus wrote:
i would've countered with mass sentry, but that's just me
after hallucinating enough air units (voids, for example), they actually can't focus fire your sentry army cause its covered by the air =D
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should have countered with the little robot looking guys at your nexus you had tons of those things but id get some armor upgrades for them so they can be really strong since you had a lot of them this would work i think
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On September 06 2010 00:54 MrBitter wrote:
Wait... He's complaining about cheese.... But he started the game by cheesing. Am I the only one that see's the irony here?
This post is probably funnier than the original one.
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if you want to say T got better cheese tactics than P, k i take it but as P u can really easy to stop it who said u cant build your canons before gate and use em on defense
but when u want to say T is imba and OP that is kind of wrong, they are really frustrating using mmms build and it looks like yea its so easy. its maybe hard to stop and easy to be good with it but they cant do anything else than they are doing now, we as the protoss or zerg players have to find our strong build and use it, our units got bigger potential that Ts, this is my opinion, im not telling u im not smashing my keyboard when i loose against T : )
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You cheese then complain about cheese? Yea. Nice.
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
100% agree, the word is so easily bandied around to discredit now that it's fast losing any sense of its original meaning
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On September 06 2010 05:10 SirJolt wrote:100% agree, the word is so easily bandied around to discredit now that it's fast losing any sense of its original meaning
"troll" is the new "noob" (in terms of overused, no longer meaning what it meant).
I agree with an earlier post though, there aren't enough complain-about-cheese threads for this, atleast on these forums.
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