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Reviving the Juggernaut - Final Part

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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:44:25
September 01 2010 18:43 GMT
#1
So yesterday I blitzed through the last steps to get the Juggernaut into sc2. This basically equated to finishing the textures, making the Thrusters, and getting the sc2 materials rigged. This was easy, but menial work. Then I exported the model to the m3 format.

Between being unable to concentrate and focus on my work, and running into a LOT of confusion with some of the small spikes that weren't using the sc2 materials and thus giving me errors on export, I reached the ability to click the nice big export button around supper time (4-5). So I clicked it, and waited.

A previous export of mine, the Crusader class and eventually the Devastator class, each take anywhere from 30 seconds to 3-5 minutes completely randomly. It seems to be based on the usage of textures. The guy who's working on the script is pretty quick to note that maxscript is really slow.

Well, previously I exported Antharas from Lineage 2 with 30fps animations (they break massively when re-scaled) into Starcraft 2. The animations, of course, freaked out - but the export took around 3-4 hours. This one was no different.

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Good God. I say to HKS on vent, "I hope there's nothing I need to fix immediately.

So I export this huge bitch into my testing map. The map is now 30mb, compressed from 127mb (with my other stuff). Yeah, this will never make it into a published map, but I don't care - I don't make published projects. They ban me for violence and references to real-life events, anyways.

Okay, something IS fucked up. One of the wings is backfaced, and the neck seems to be backfaced too. God DAMNIT. I think it's because I forgot to collapse the modifier stack on those parts, which for some reason have an extra edit mesh modifier.

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I also had a guy on Sc2mapster rig me the cinematic BC model for use as an in-game unit. They look pretty side-by-side if you ignore the hideously broken wing.

Of course, I wanted to stress this this thing. How well does sc2 handle dozens of 100k poly models using insanely high rez textures?

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Surprisingly well! The performance loss I get is minimal, usually from zooming out, or from effects. Even when I pit them in a huge battle against a mass of + Show Spoiler [CAMPAIGN UNITS] +
Leviathans and Hybrids that shoot fireballs + Arcane carriers that relentlessly spam protoss building explosion graphics
the game is still perfectly playable despite the usual performance loss I get in SC2. My Radeon 4870x2 and I7 920 are lucky to push more than 30fps at the start of a 1v1 game and it quickly drops to around 25. When I record with fraps it will drop to 10-12 despite using other cores and other HD's. The game's performance is terrible on my computer, but it can handle this just fine.

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most people would be like omg 14-16 fps is awful but I'll be like nah it's fine, and most of that performance loss is from the building explosions. Just a couple of those and all their particles seems to have an enormous impact on performance that raw polies never does.

Not that I'd be spawning 40 of these things, more like 10 max in a big map. They won't be player controlled units, either.

When I go to save my map and sleep, the map gives me a random set of errors. Checksum errors or something, iirc. I try to save again, errors again. GalaxyEdit is flakey like this - it IS alpha software, after all. Well, I go to save to a new map. It works. I run one more ingame tests (to see if the new bc's work with the old weapons)... oh, where's all my models?

As it turns out, the editor randomly decided to vaporize everything I had in the map.

Brilliant.

So now I have to re-export the model who knows how many times AND reconfigure everything in the map, probably for it to just explode again.

*****
CryingCow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada149 Posts
September 01 2010 18:49 GMT
#2
I dont really understand why you are doing this. Can you please explain to me why you are doing this?
Hi! :)
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
September 01 2010 18:51 GMT
#3
Private campaign project.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
September 01 2010 19:03 GMT
#4
On September 02 2010 03:49 CryingCow wrote:
I dont really understand why you are doing this. Can you please explain to me why you are doing this?


its iskatumesk. why does grass photosynthesize?

great blog as usual, your work is amazing
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
September 01 2010 19:05 GMT
#5
Ship looks cool, but the laser is very over-saturated. Is that just the screenshot or does it look the same in motion?
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 19:07:59
September 01 2010 19:07 GMT
#6
I think you should make the lines of the ship a little more clean (the red lasers for example). I get the "gritty feel" you're going for but it doesn't work out too well IMO.

Just a small complaint though, otherwise great work
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 19:08:53
September 01 2010 19:07 GMT
#7
Lasers are from the Crusader-class weapon set and not intended for this ship, they look as intended.

/e

SubtleArt > That is well outside my skill level and probably won't ever happen since I don't actually know how to use photoshop.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 01 2010 19:18 GMT
#8
On September 02 2010 04:07 IskatuMesk wrote:
Lasers are from the Crusader-class weapon set and not intended for this ship, they look as intended.

/e

SubtleArt > That is well outside my skill level and probably won't ever happen since I don't actually know how to use photoshop.


Ah well, you did a great job anyway . How long does this take btw??
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 19:32:39
September 01 2010 19:29 GMT
#9
It was my first ever UV map (the wings and fixing the center) which you can see the process of in my earlier blogs.

The original model was from 2008 and required around 5-6 hours to make. It was then updated and skinned by a guy named SgtHK. I returned to it a few days ago in the effort to update it to SC2-compliant standards. This meant totally rebuilding the textures from the ground up since they relied on 3ds max plugins/materials. That took a day in itself, largely because I don't know anything about graphics or photoshop. The UV work for the wing alone took around 7-8 hours. The wing model and other touchups add to around 3-4 hours. The two exports I've done so far total at least 6-7 hours.

The unit wasn't configured with its proper weaponry and stuff ingame, it was using weapons for another (much bigger) unit, which is why they look weird.

/edit

The editor just corrupted the last remnants of the map in my effort to recover it. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be working with alpha software anymore. The campaign is indefinitely postponed until blizzard decides to actually put some effort into their product. This is just one of oh so many avoidable ridiculous shit in the editor, like the upgrades that refer to data that doesn't exist in any of the dependencies and crash when you click on them.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
September 01 2010 19:53 GMT
#10
Whats the point of what your doing...?
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
September 01 2010 20:18 GMT
#11
Awesome work IskatuMesk. I love seeing modders in the RTS community. Look forward to seeing more of your work and maybe a release of your project when it is done.
Brood War forever!
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
September 01 2010 20:24 GMT
#12
On September 02 2010 04:53 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Whats the point of what your doing...?


What's the point of what YOU are doing?
Each day gets better : )
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 01 2010 20:39 GMT
#13
ballin as usual iskatu, i cant wait to play this campaign.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
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