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Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
June 03 2010 03:14 GMT
#1
After I take some exams this saturday, I am free to play Brood War for a longggggggg time. One of my main goals after this Saturday is to mass game on Iccup and get B. But another goal I have is to teach my friend nonmoney. My friend has been a Fastest player for a while so he is not new to Brood War. However, he is new to nonmoney.

Out of the three races, he wants to choose Z because he hates Terran and in the few years that he's played as Toss for Fastest, he thinks there are too many Protosses out there and think it's a noob race. So he wants to switch to Z for nonmoney. The thing is, I'm trying to tell him that Z is the hardest race for nonmoney. Should I keep telling him not to main Z or just leave him be?

Finally, I'm pretty new at teaching another person non-money. What would you guys recommend would be the best way for me to teach my friend? I'm a Terran player so I doubt I can give him much specific race matchup information, but I am an experienced player. What kinds of things can I help him on? Also, I have a few other friends who are very good. Would just simply playing my friend a lot help him improve as a player? Would that be the fastest method?

To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
June 03 2010 03:18 GMT
#2
check the strategy forum plenty of good guides in there...
then just play alot watch some reps point out mistakes and improve >.<
its me
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9815 Posts
June 03 2010 03:21 GMT
#3
actually, i'd say terran is the hardest race for nonmoney. terran is all about timing, and the macro and micro for it are about 3x harder than toss. zerg concepts are somewhat difficult to grasp, but not very hard once you get the basics down.
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AyeH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States534 Posts
June 03 2010 03:22 GMT
#4
teach him the build orders first of all. then teach him the importance between macro/micro and expanding. i played fastest only on sc1 but learning the build orders and watching players from the day9 dailies helped me transition easily to low money. this helped me place into the diamond league.
Is it in you?
Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
June 03 2010 03:26 GMT
#5
I would first teach my friend to not get discouraged from losing. There is a very good chance (if he starts 1v1ing on iccup) for your friend to revert back to money maps.

Race wise i think pre B- , toss is easier than others to use, after C+, it's all very hard. BO are easy to teach, mechanics is not. fastest method is probably your friend play a lot of games vs people slightly above his level, and help him to know what he did wrong if he couldn't figure them out for himself.
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
June 03 2010 03:37 GMT
#6
Okay, thanks for the tips. I don't think Terran is that demanding when compared to Zerg. TvP maybe, but in terms of the understanding you need of Zerg Macro, I don't think so.
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
June 03 2010 03:41 GMT
#7
Kinda off topic, but I find protoss harder to play than zerg. With zerg, it was so easy to control the army and macro and besides mutalisk micro, the importance of micro is really small. No real need for spell micro in 2 out of 3 match ups other than dark swarms in late game ZvT. 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a flank, gg yo.

I find toss way more harder imo.
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FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
June 03 2010 03:45 GMT
#8
you sounded exactly like a friend of mine until you mentioned you were terran lol. Anyway, i suggest you let your friend pick whichever race he likes best, you cant force him to play what he doesnt want and it will just decrease his motivation.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 03 2010 03:46 GMT
#9
ya srsly have him play protoss it'll keep him from wanting to break his keyboard every 5 seconds.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 03 2010 03:51 GMT
#10
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
June 03 2010 03:54 GMT
#11
On June 03 2010 12:41 lone_hydra wrote:
Kinda off topic, but I find protoss harder to play than zerg. With zerg, it was so easy to control the army and macro and besides mutalisk micro, the importance of micro is really small. No real need for spell micro in 2 out of 3 match ups other than dark swarms in late game ZvT. 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a flank, gg yo.

I find toss way more harder imo.


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Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
June 03 2010 03:55 GMT
#12
On June 03 2010 12:41 lone_hydra wrote:
Kinda off topic, but I find protoss harder to play than zerg. With zerg, it was so easy to control the army and macro and besides mutalisk micro, the importance of micro is really small. No real need for spell micro in 2 out of 3 match ups other than dark swarms in late game ZvT. 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a flank, gg yo.

I find toss way more harder imo.


Still offtopic. The hardest thing as zerg is deciding when to make drones or units. Its so tough to judge in tight situations.

In terms of decision making I think from easiest to hardest is: Terran, Zerg, Protoss

In terms of mechanics I think from easiest to hardest is: Protoss, Zerg, Terran

On topic: I really hope you reach your goal to get a B on iccup. It always gives me hope that one day I will B rank when other people do it.
I'm a Crab made of men.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
June 03 2010 04:13 GMT
#13
On June 03 2010 12:46 LuckyFool wrote:
ya srsly have him play protoss it'll keep him from wanting to break his keyboard every 5 seconds.


+ he has dts then lol, your favorite unit luckyfool?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
June 03 2010 04:17 GMT
#14
Wait until he always loses, then goes back to toss.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
June 03 2010 04:21 GMT
#15
Even fastest players acknowledge which race is the noob race.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
June 03 2010 04:22 GMT
#16
On June 03 2010 12:55 Crabman123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2010 12:41 lone_hydra wrote:
Kinda off topic, but I find protoss harder to play than zerg. With zerg, it was so easy to control the army and macro and besides mutalisk micro, the importance of micro is really small. No real need for spell micro in 2 out of 3 match ups other than dark swarms in late game ZvT. 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a flank, gg yo.

I find toss way more harder imo.


Still offtopic. The hardest thing as zerg is deciding when to make drones or units. Its so tough to judge in tight situations.

In terms of decision making I think from easiest to hardest is: Terran, Zerg, Protoss

In terms of mechanics I think from easiest to hardest is: Protoss, Zerg, Terran

On topic: I really hope you reach your goal to get a B on iccup. It always gives me hope that one day I will B rank when other people do it.



I agree 100%
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8175 Posts
June 03 2010 04:24 GMT
#17
the race that's hardest to learn is the one where you have the least fun playing, so as long as he is having fun on his race it should be fine.
Free Palestine
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
June 03 2010 05:56 GMT
#18
On June 03 2010 12:55 Crabman123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2010 12:41 lone_hydra wrote:
Kinda off topic, but I find protoss harder to play than zerg. With zerg, it was so easy to control the army and macro and besides mutalisk micro, the importance of micro is really small. No real need for spell micro in 2 out of 3 match ups other than dark swarms in late game ZvT. 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a flank, gg yo.

I find toss way more harder imo.


Still offtopic. The hardest thing as zerg is deciding when to make drones or units. Its so tough to judge in tight situations.

In terms of decision making I think from easiest to hardest is: Terran, Zerg, Protoss

In terms of mechanics I think from easiest to hardest is: Protoss, Zerg, Terran

On topic: I really hope you reach your goal to get a B on iccup. It always gives me hope that one day I will B rank when other people do it.

A wise post amidst a sea of 'my race is da bestest and da hardest'
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2on2
Profile Joined April 2009
United States142 Posts
June 03 2010 15:20 GMT
#19
Hey prozen, I saw you on a bit yesterday. If you want Im willing to help your friend out, I like helping out new players. Its SCC-GG btw

For new players I think its best they stick to whatever race they are comfortable with, if hes comfortable playing zerg then I would start with zerg builds of his favorite matchup and elementary zerg stuff like ovie positioning and when/how many lings/drones to make, and scouting. Once he has a general idea how that stuff works, smash him and move on to macro
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