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On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:11 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:01 Nytefish wrote:
JD actually made the all-or-nothing micro choice on his first attempt. He could do a bunch of things:
1) Pick off outer buildings
2) Focus down the bunker with everything
3) Focus bunker but use half your hydras to target SCVs
He went for number 2, if it succeeds you will most likely win the game straight away, if it fails it should be over. That's just one of the standard trade-offs you encounter when cheesing. the bunker should be the lowest priority, under scvs, the two depots, the barracks, any goliaths, and any tanks. four marines aint shit to 20 hydras, why on earth would you focus fire a repairable structure with a bunch of hp -_- He was hoping it would die really fast in just a few seconds, turns out it was a bad decision since flash could fit so many SCV around it. So yes, it was a "dumb mistake" on his part I was just trying to explain the mentality behind it. explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs
The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios.
I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
you read too much. hotbid is basically just drawing attention to how much better effort's been this month than jaedong, but the focus is the magnitude of that fact (because of jaedong's incredible powers) not braying about how jaedong ain't shit because he's an effort fan
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
seriously, this result makes me so happy
all those flash fanboys whining and discounting effort's win in the OSL finals now can't say anything, because the exact same arguments apply to this MSL series
rofl If Flash had made the same mistakes he made against Effort against Jaedong I have zero doubt that Jaedong would have won those games too 
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
seriously, this result makes me so happy
all those flash fanboys whining and discounting effort's win in the OSL finals now can't say anything, because the exact same arguments apply to this MSL series
rofl
Rofl, like this would ever happen. All fanboys are fucking lol.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:28 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:13 Hot_Bid wrote:On May 29 2010 19:10 Letmelose wrote:On May 29 2010 19:06 Hot_Bid wrote:On May 29 2010 19:04 Letmelose wrote:On May 29 2010 18:52 Hot_Bid wrote:On May 29 2010 18:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
jaedong's builds were TERRIBLE i was giggling pretty hard in set 3
effort best zerg now i guess? lolol I did not even dream of saying this with a straight face just four weeks ago, but this month, Effort's the best Zerg on the planet. We saw how horribly Effort failed once he was gunned by everyone. Jaedong has been dealing with it ever since he replaced Savior as the best gamer on the planet. Jaedong used to be so ahead of the pack in terms of micromanagement and multitasking skills, that these skills alone won him a lot of games, but these days that's sadly no longer the case. We'll see how Effort deals with every other gamer around throwing every trick up their sleave in the book in order to bring him down now that he is in the spotlight again. If he survives that, then we can talk. Note how I said "this month." You really going to argue with that? Who was better this month? Effort's only two losses came in the OSL Finals. I thought you held Effort in higher regard than simply settling for him being the "flavour of the month". Even I expect more things from the kid, and I say that as someone who is more into Zero. What did you want me to say? That this proves that Effort is somehow better than Jaedong for the past two years? That's just stupid. Of course JD is the most accomplished and best Zerg in the history of StarCraft. I just think its hilarious that people were discounting Effort's win as a "fluke" when we're clearly dealing with players (Flash, JD, Effort, etc) who are capable of beating each other in Bo5s. Right now though, Effort's better than JD, at least in ZvT. It's been a long time since we've been able to say a Z is better than JD at any of the three MUs. It's been for quite some time now that the likes of Effort and Zero can literally play comparetively to Jaedong's absolute peak skill level. I was mistaken for thinking that you were basically predicting the ascension of Effort as the next big thing in Starcraft; something that I believe he is perfectly capable of being. The thing is. It is easy (relatively speaking of course) to look great when things are going great for you, and everything is working out. Effort has both the mechanics and trickery to defeat Flash, and has shown that this month (something Jaedong totally failed in). However, what I feel like you are doing is "cashing-in" on Effort the moment he looked like the superior zerg in comparison with Jaedong. Surely a fan such as yourself could have the faith in Effort to survive the oncoming onslaught, struggle through come rain or shine, and STILL look like the greatest zerg around, rather than taking a somewhat cheap shot at the greatest zerg around in the scene when he has just taken a low blow.
Since when is stating the obvious a "cheap shot."
I think its funny you view my blog as taking a shot at JD when its actually validating Effort's win. It has nothing to do with insulting JD. Have you read my article on JD?
I'm not a blind fanboy. I know Effort is not the second coming of JD. There probably will never be one, just like there was never a second Boxer.
But what I do know is the best player from my favorite team rose from a horrible slump after the worst betrayal of CJ and its fans ever, and won the OSL. There was mass whining about how he didn't deserve it, and he played "cheesy" or it was a fluke, or Flash just handed it to him.
And to watch Flash one week later kick the crap out of JD after Effort helped him practice... well that's pretty cool.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:31 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:11 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:01 Nytefish wrote:
JD actually made the all-or-nothing micro choice on his first attempt. He could do a bunch of things:
1) Pick off outer buildings
2) Focus down the bunker with everything
3) Focus bunker but use half your hydras to target SCVs
He went for number 2, if it succeeds you will most likely win the game straight away, if it fails it should be over. That's just one of the standard trade-offs you encounter when cheesing. the bunker should be the lowest priority, under scvs, the two depots, the barracks, any goliaths, and any tanks. four marines aint shit to 20 hydras, why on earth would you focus fire a repairable structure with a bunch of hp -_- He was hoping it would die really fast in just a few seconds, turns out it was a bad decision since flash could fit so many SCV around it. So yes, it was a "dumb mistake" on his part I was just trying to explain the mentality behind it. explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios. I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it.
treating bw as a series of imaginary scenarios only works if those scenarios have some sort of logical basis
you are trying (or tried to in your original post) justify a tremendously stupid work of micro by saying it was 'just one of many options & his mentality dictated that he chose this one'. that's BONEHEADED
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SC is such a fickle game.
If Flash moves out with slightly more caution in game 3 (it was a brilliant play by Effort but just saying) there's a good chance he wins that game and nobody's talking about Effort right now.
Similarly if Jaedong micros slightly better in game 2 at the muta/scourge/ling exchange (his Mutas basically didn't take shots and then he failed to get all 3 Valks with 3 Scourge hitting one) it might completely swing the pace of the series. Or if the Hydra bust is handled slightly better or Flash doesn't get his SCVs around the Bunker as completely.
At this level, tiny things swing everything. It's incredible to think about "what-ifs" sometimes.
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On May 29 2010 19:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:25 Megalisk wrote:
Protoss favored maps now? At least give those poor scum a chance! honestly i'd almost be down for some katrina. a new season of protoss players winning will breathe some life into us, new maps new build orders!
I'd actually like to see some toss dominance for once (can't believe I'm saying this O_O), I was never around to see toss raping everything, hell, even just a toss making it to a finals, and at least being competitive (movie -_-), would be nice. Perhaps free will get his wish next season.
AND BRING BACK HEARTBREAK RIDGE, IT MAY SUCK FOR TOSS BUT DAMN ITS A SEXY MAP
Also, Effort won this MSL for Flash, GJ EFFORT!
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Not going to argue, but these games left a bad taste in my mouth, just as the OSL finals did. T_T
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Braavos36379 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:31 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
seriously, this result makes me so happy
all those flash fanboys whining and discounting effort's win in the OSL finals now can't say anything, because the exact same arguments apply to this MSL series
rofl If Flash had made the same mistakes he made against Effort against Jaedong I have zero doubt that Jaedong would have won those games too
Lol Flash plays horrible loses to Effort, Flash plays great beats JD. It's all about Flash isn't it. Can't you just recognize good play when it happens? If you discount Effort's win in OSL as a "fluke" you're discounting Flash's win in MSL as a fluke. You can literally take your blog, replace "early attack" with "14cc" and rewrite it to fit this series. It was 100% wrong when you wrote it, and it's still wrong now. Both Effort and Flash deserve their titles.
Effort was even in Game 0 (killed a valk) and in Game 1 (not a rush) midgame. He was marginally ahead mid to late game in Game 2. He made a great ling micro attack in Game 3. He played an awesome management, scouting, and sense Game in Game 4. And is it Effort's fault that Flash defended poorly in Game 5?
Effort played great in the OSL Final and deserved his win. But you however say he's "still bad" and doesn't deserve it because his race was imbalanced, early Zerg aggression is imbalanced, and punishing 14cc is "dirty." Please.
Btw, Jaedong's win over Flash in GOM 3-0 used much of the same builds Effort did, but nobody is discounting those as flukes are they? Also is this game a fluke???
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On May 29 2010 18:56 Iplaythings wrote:
Guys, flash is slumping, his vz went down to below 70%
SLUMPPPP!!!
after playing JD went back up BARELY above 70%
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On May 29 2010 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:31 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:11 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:01 Nytefish wrote:
JD actually made the all-or-nothing micro choice on his first attempt. He could do a bunch of things:
1) Pick off outer buildings
2) Focus down the bunker with everything
3) Focus bunker but use half your hydras to target SCVs
He went for number 2, if it succeeds you will most likely win the game straight away, if it fails it should be over. That's just one of the standard trade-offs you encounter when cheesing. the bunker should be the lowest priority, under scvs, the two depots, the barracks, any goliaths, and any tanks. four marines aint shit to 20 hydras, why on earth would you focus fire a repairable structure with a bunch of hp -_- He was hoping it would die really fast in just a few seconds, turns out it was a bad decision since flash could fit so many SCV around it. So yes, it was a "dumb mistake" on his part I was just trying to explain the mentality behind it. explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios. I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it. treating bw as a series of imaginary scenarios only works if those scenarios have some sort of logical basis you are trying (or tried to in your original post) justify a tremendously stupid work of micro by saying it was 'just one of many options & his mentality dictated that he chose this one'. that's BONEHEADED
I wasn't trying to justify a mistake, just trying to figure out the thought process behind it. You seem to have this impression that I'm trying to say mistakes like that are acceptable, that's probably miscommunication from me earlier.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:31 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:11 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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the bunker should be the lowest priority, under scvs, the two depots, the barracks, any goliaths, and any tanks.
four marines aint shit to 20 hydras, why on earth would you focus fire a repairable structure with a bunch of hp -_- He was hoping it would die really fast in just a few seconds, turns out it was a bad decision since flash could fit so many SCV around it. So yes, it was a "dumb mistake" on his part I was just trying to explain the mentality behind it. explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios. I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it. treating bw as a series of imaginary scenarios only works if those scenarios have some sort of logical basis you are trying (or tried to in your original post) justify a tremendously stupid work of micro by saying it was 'just one of many options & his mentality dictated that he chose this one'. that's BONEHEADED I wasn't trying to justify a mistake, just trying to figure out the thought process behind it. You seem to have this impression that I'm trying to say mistakes like that are acceptable, that's probably miscommunication from me earlier.
i'm trying to make you a better poster here. it's still an entirely meaningless statement. when you try to figure out the thought process behind a stupid move, you're just creating scenarios in your head where you figure a guy might do the stupid move in question. the problem with that is it's still a stupid move, so what does the thought process behind it matter?
you could have posted something about how you figure jaedong probably made 3 hatcheries instead of 2 because a fortune teller told him 3 was his lucky number and the statement would have just as much substance as your hypothetical hydra bust checklist
if you say something intelligent about hydra busts i'll leave you alone
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On May 29 2010 19:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:31 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:11 Nytefish wrote:
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He was hoping it would die really fast in just a few seconds, turns out it was a bad decision since flash could fit so many SCV around it. So yes, it was a "dumb mistake" on his part I was just trying to explain the mentality behind it. explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios. I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it. treating bw as a series of imaginary scenarios only works if those scenarios have some sort of logical basis you are trying (or tried to in your original post) justify a tremendously stupid work of micro by saying it was 'just one of many options & his mentality dictated that he chose this one'. that's BONEHEADED I wasn't trying to justify a mistake, just trying to figure out the thought process behind it. You seem to have this impression that I'm trying to say mistakes like that are acceptable, that's probably miscommunication from me earlier. i'm trying to make you a better poster here. it's still an entirely meaningless statement. when you try to figure out the thought process behind a stupid move, you're just creating scenarios in your head where you figure a guy might do the stupid move in question. the problem with that is it's still a stupid move, so what does the thought process behind it matter? you could have posted something about how you figure jaedong probably made 3 hatcheries instead of 2 because a fortune teller told him 3 was his lucky number and the statement would have just as much substance as your hypothetical hydra bust checklist
Because he did the stupid decision so I'm relating it to the games I've played where something similar has happened. I can see that it was dumb in that particular game, but it doesn't always turn out that badly.
Of course I'm only a C+ player so it's possible that targeting the bunker is always a dumb move and my opponents just suck.
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It pains me to say it, but Flash was 2 leagues ahead of both Effort and Jaedong. I feel so bad he didn't win both titles this year, he clearly deserved it.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:48 Smu wrote:
It pains me to say it, but Flash was 2 leagues ahead of both Effort and Jaedong. I feel so bad he didn't win both titles this year, he clearly deserved it.
wow and all this time i thought that the player who actually wins the finals deserves to win the finals more than the player that loses
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:48 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:31 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:25 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 29 2010 19:19 Nytefish wrote:On May 29 2010 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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explain the mentality behind it? "hurp de durp hope this works LOL" isn't a mentality
you're talking about a player who has played thousands upon thousands of games of bw and telling me that jaedong's ability to recognize that a bunker with ten scvs around it probably isn't gonna die and really isn't his biggest concern goes out the window because of some mystical mental state he entered that allowed him to transcend bad decisions or at least excuse them because he really really really wanted to kill that bunker What are we even arguing about? you said some really boneheaded stuff about how a hydra bust goes down and now i'm telling you what a silly child you are, of course don't mind me, i'm just a hater. fo real about the boneheadedness though, i pray you're not a zerg player! I was talking more about what he could do rather than what he should do. When I listed those options earlier I didn't mean to imply they were all equal and valid choices in every situation. whats the point of that? you might as well have included "send your hydras to the corner of the map and do nothing" to the list. its only slightly worse than putting half your hydras on the bunker and the other half on the scvs The difference is all those options can work in given scenarios. I said half because there's no point overkilling the SCVs, you might as well have the rest of your hydras shooting the bunker to make him want to keep them there repairing it. treating bw as a series of imaginary scenarios only works if those scenarios have some sort of logical basis you are trying (or tried to in your original post) justify a tremendously stupid work of micro by saying it was 'just one of many options & his mentality dictated that he chose this one'. that's BONEHEADED I wasn't trying to justify a mistake, just trying to figure out the thought process behind it. You seem to have this impression that I'm trying to say mistakes like that are acceptable, that's probably miscommunication from me earlier. i'm trying to make you a better poster here. it's still an entirely meaningless statement. when you try to figure out the thought process behind a stupid move, you're just creating scenarios in your head where you figure a guy might do the stupid move in question. the problem with that is it's still a stupid move, so what does the thought process behind it matter? you could have posted something about how you figure jaedong probably made 3 hatcheries instead of 2 because a fortune teller told him 3 was his lucky number and the statement would have just as much substance as your hypothetical hydra bust checklist Because he did the stupid decision so I'm relating it to the games I've played where something similar has happened. I can see that it was dumb in that particular game, but it doesn't always turn out that badly.
thank you for admitting you are drawing on your own experiences making stupid decisions. realize what a vast disconnect there is between your experiences in these situations, and jaedong's. now your post also could have read, "jaedong could have won if he went guardians after his hydra bust failed"
edit: i wasnt kidding i'm just picking on you because your post contained strange information regarding hydra busts
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:36 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:31 Plexa wrote:On May 29 2010 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
seriously, this result makes me so happy
all those flash fanboys whining and discounting effort's win in the OSL finals now can't say anything, because the exact same arguments apply to this MSL series
rofl If Flash had made the same mistakes he made against Effort against Jaedong I have zero doubt that Jaedong would have won those games too Lol Flash plays horrible loses to Effort, Flash plays great beats JD. It's all about Flash isn't it. Can't you just recognize good play when it happens? If you discount Effort's win in OSL as a "fluke" you're discounting Flash's win in MSL as a fluke. You can literally take your blog, replace "early attack" with "14cc" and rewrite it to fit this series. It was 100% wrong when you wrote it, and it's still wrong now. Both Effort and Flash deserve their titles. Effort was even in Game 0 (killed a valk) and in Game 1 (not a rush) midgame. He was marginally ahead mid to late game in Game 2. He made a great ling micro attack in Game 3. He played an awesome management, scouting, and sense Game in Game 4. And is it Effort's fault that Flash defended poorly in Game 5? Effort played great in the OSL Final and deserved his win. But you however say he's "still bad" and doesn't deserve it because his race was imbalanced, early Zerg aggression is imbalanced, and punishing 14cc is "dirty." Please. Btw, Jaedong's win over Flash in GOM 3-0 used much of the same builds Effort did, but nobody is discounting those as flukes are they? Check my fantasy team fool
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effort played better on the day of the finals, so he won fair and square and deservedly. I think Flash is still the overall better player, but finals aren't won by overall statistics, they're won on the day! Anyone who discounts effort's OSL win just because of Flash's stats is silly.
Flash completely made up for his loss in the OSL today though, and I think he'll come right back and win the Golden Mouse next season 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:51 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:48 Smu wrote:
It pains me to say it, but Flash was 2 leagues ahead of both Effort and Jaedong. I feel so bad he didn't win both titles this year, he clearly deserved it. wow and all this time i thought that the player who actually wins the finals deserves to win the finals more than the player that loses
no, its the player who wanted it reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal bad, way more than the other guy. you gotta want it, you know?!
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