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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 11:15:33
May 19 2010 10:44 GMT
#1
I've been observing some common patters between the behavior of football and starcraft fans - indeed some of the pro teams could be compared with a couple of football squads, so this is how I see things:

CJ Entus - Liverpool
Both great teams with fans nostalgic about the glorious past. Winning CL a couple of years ago doesnt really change the fact that Liverpool are hopeless in Premiership, winning WL was a sign a revival, still CJ looks so close and yet so far from winning the Proleague. The fans of both teams are really proud of their homegrown players as well, thinking they are next big thing - Gerrard,Carragher ... Movie and EffOrt. But the reality is just like Liverpool, CJ will never win PL again, and as good as Gerrard, Movie and EffOrt are, they are hardly "the next big thing".

KT - Real Madrid
The comparison has been already made a million times, but right now its actually a bit too far from being true. That doesnt change the fact KT's roster policy was always to buy the super star players from other teams, which in fact they've sort of tried to do in recent years as well, getting Luxury and ForGG who turned out to be utter flops. Just like Real Madrid, KT has genuine fans as well, who cheer and love their teams because of the homegrown talents they've produced - Raul... Flash. It was always easy to become a KT fan, but just like in the case of Real Madrid in recent times, the joy gets balanced out with disappointment.

Samsung KHAN - Chelsea
KHAN are quite good, they really are. One can say January's team is a powerhouse and it will be true. Chelsea are powerhouse as well, they are a super strong squad. But the blatand truth is that no one likes KHAN. And no one likes Chelsea. Both have no fans.

OGN Sparkyz - Juventus
Both teams havent won anything in ages but the most obvious paralel between the two are the match-fixing scandals. Indeed both Juve and OGN have likeable players, but that doesnt change the fact they've cast a shadow over their respected sports.

SKT - Manchester United
SKT and ManU are the biggest clubs in their areas. And their fans know that, in fact every SKT fan knows his team is the best, no matter the current form, the current players - SKT always wins in the end. Its easy to cheer for both as well - T1 are an obvious choice : tons of titles, superstar players, you name it. I was thinking the other day about a possible paralel between Bisu and Beckham - you see, both are really good, but just like David, Bisu became more or less a pop icon in recent time. Guys dont like him, girls love him.

Hwaseung OZ - Napoli
You might think "Napoli, wtf?". Well, Napoli is the team where Maradona reached the peak of his career it the 80s. Just like him, one may say Jaedong is the best player of his generation. But both Napoli and OZ are without a shodow of doubt one man teams. Even by the time Napoli were owning shit in Serie A, I doubt anyone all over the world was a fan of this team for a reason different from Maradona. Oz works the same way as well. Besides Haji and maybe like 2 other guys in the whole forum, the OZ fanboat is floating entirely because of Jaedong. Do you know how Napoli are doing atm? Watch Oz fall into oblivion once Jaedong's career starts to decline ...

btw if you are from the US and A you prolly wont understand shit from that. I was talking about "soccer"

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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
May 19 2010 10:49 GMT
#2
Happy birthday man!
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 10:57:34
May 19 2010 10:57 GMT
#3
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.

I guess the KHAN = Chelsea thing works really well because not only do we not like Chelsea for spending ridiculous amounts of money to change their lineup, the players are either completely up-themselves or buttholes.

Nice one on OGN = Juvy.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
May 19 2010 10:59 GMT
#4
Haha funny, I'm a fan of both MU and T1.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 11:02:08
May 19 2010 11:01 GMT
#5
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
May 19 2010 11:03 GMT
#6
On May 19 2010 19:59 PoP wrote:
Haha funny, I'm a fan of both MU and T1.

yep, same here
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
May 19 2010 11:04 GMT
#7
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?

And hey, what about all 40 of us Stars fans? ^^
Oh, my eSports
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 11:05 GMT
#8
Actually switch KT to Barselona, they only have one good player and because of that they are overhyped (and both have plenty of bandwagon fans).
Chelsea has a lot of fans, and they have probably one of the best starting lineups ever, referee bias is the reason they haven't won much.
SKT - Real Madrid... Both team's have the history and the glory to back it up, just compare the champions cup/league to proleague

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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
May 19 2010 11:07 GMT
#9
On May 19 2010 20:04 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?

And hey, what about all 40 of us Stars fans? ^^

Nottingam Forest - you won the CL twice in the very beginning but thats long forgotten
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
May 19 2010 11:10 GMT
#10
--- Nuked ---
liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 11:15:11
May 19 2010 11:13 GMT
#11
I might have become an Oz fan because of Jaedong, but I'm a fan of the other players on Oz too. If Jaedong left Oz for some reason I would still be an Oz fan. Besides Oz used to have some good players in addition to Jaedong (Anytime and Forgg), so even though it might be a one man team atm, it hasn't always been.

Edit: I'm a Real Madrid fan btw
♥ Snute ♥ Scarlett ♥ Jaedong ♥ KeeN ♥
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 11:14 GMT
#12
Airforce ACE - CSKA Moscow Both army teams, but i think there just has to be a team somewhere that is quite literally owned and run by the military
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
May 19 2010 11:14 GMT
#13
On May 19 2010 20:04 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?


Chelsea has been quite successful since Abramovitch imo. Before that they didn't have that many big names compared to MU/Liverpool.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
May 19 2010 11:15 GMT
#14
On May 19 2010 20:04 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?

And hey, what about all 40 of us Stars fans? ^^

What's a few years? A few years ago Chelsea won back to back titles and Chelsea won the double this year.
Making history not reliving it.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
May 19 2010 11:16 GMT
#15
On May 19 2010 20:15 MooCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:04 QibingZero wrote:
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?

And hey, what about all 40 of us Stars fans? ^^

What's a few years? A few years ago Chelsea won back to back titles and Chelsea won the double this year.

"a few years ago" in football time would be the 90s. The period you are talking about is "recently"
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InfernoX
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden55 Posts
May 19 2010 11:30 GMT
#16
On May 19 2010 20:05 fox[tail] wrote:
Actually switch KT to Barselona, they only have one good player and because of that they are overhyped (and both have plenty of bandwagon fans).




You clearly have not watched any Barcelona games. The reason why they beat great teams is that they work together like no other teams. But there is some truth in what your saying.
Cu(oCo)
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Italy358 Posts
May 19 2010 11:31 GMT
#17

OGN Sparkyz - Juventus
Both teams havent won anything in ages but the most obvious paralel between the two are the match-fixing scandals. Indeed both Juve and OGN have likeable players, but that doesnt change the fact they've cast a shadow over their respected sports.

love this
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ShaSKiRa
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia344 Posts
May 19 2010 11:34 GMT
#18
KT = Liverpool

FlaSh = Torres / Gerrard

I love FlaSh :) He gonna PWNED ALL OTHER RACE
Atom Cannister
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany380 Posts
May 19 2010 11:53 GMT
#19
And what about Aston Villa...

Stars?
...
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
May 19 2010 11:53 GMT
#20
I love Khan man. ;_;
BW4Life!
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 11:58 GMT
#21
On May 19 2010 20:30 InfernoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:05 fox[tail] wrote:
Actually switch KT to Barselona, they only have one good player and because of that they are overhyped (and both have plenty of bandwagon fans).




You clearly have not watched any Barcelona games. The reason why they beat great teams is that they work together like no other teams. But there is some truth in what your saying.


Well every time Barca plays against a team of similar strength (Chelsea, Inter, Arsenal), mysteriously the other team gets butt raped by the ref (who is usually from a scandinavian country), the media later says how barca 'dominated' the match with 'beautiful' football while nothing is mentioned about the six blatant penalty's that were not awarded to the other team.
Don't get me wrong, Barcelona has a technically great team, just not that great... Messi is a very very good player, who has just now started to play to his full potential... he wasn't that good before

How about MBC Hero? they had an awesome team a few seasons ago, now not so awesome
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
May 19 2010 12:21 GMT
#22
If you're Korean its any Proleague team + Man UTD.. thats pretty damn obvious whoever didn't pick Man U is obviously not a football fan.
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eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 19 2010 12:33 GMT
#23
wheres inter
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
May 19 2010 12:34 GMT
#24
im a khan fan
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
May 19 2010 12:36 GMT
#25
It makes perfect sense to match SKT with ManU because Park in football is like Boxer in SC. It wasnt Park in the 90s though
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oddo123
Profile Joined October 2009
Iceland134 Posts
May 19 2010 12:40 GMT
#26
I support Man Utd and STX.

I would say STX is like Tottenham Hotspurs, many A-class players but no S-class player.

Kal = Modric. LOL!
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 19 2010 12:51 GMT
#27
CJ/LP and i don't like chel/KHAN

nice comparison.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 19 2010 13:14 GMT
#28
haha. nice one.

even tho i totally can not accept oz . the one man team bullshit ( yea it seems so alot of times) kinda blows. Of course OZ's success stands and falls with jaedong, but if you look at the actual datas (at least from last season, don't know how it is this season) there have always been 1-2 teams which were more a one-man show, even tho nobody wanted to admit that. Hell, they went second in both winners league and proleague overall, you can't do that with only 1 person. Hiya for example won a ton of games, too.

Also there are alot of OZ fans (i guess) from the time of anytime and forgg, where OZ was many things, except a one man team. Plus it's the same with CJ and Savior or something, even tho you come to a team because of a specific person, it doesn't mean you don't start to love the rest or don't care about them as soon as this person leaves.

P.S.: yep, this definitely is a rage post, but I hate hearing this jaedong oz crap.
not that much about the team itself (even tho it sucks too), but mostly this "there are no hwaseung oz fans, only jaedong oz"-bullshit. there might be some, maybe even the majority, but all the generalisation (and I'm damn sure there are more than 1 or 2 who really like OZ and not only jaedong)

LoStYouRSkiLLS
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia223 Posts
May 19 2010 13:14 GMT
#29
Gerrard and Carragher? Gerrard and Torres.

Nice comparisons though. Who knows about Liverpool, with a new manager and all..
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Burre
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden154 Posts
May 19 2010 13:19 GMT
#30
On May 19 2010 20:07 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:04 QibingZero wrote:
On May 19 2010 20:01 PoP wrote:
On May 19 2010 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If it was a couple years ago I would have said SKT1 is Chelsea. SKT1 has the best line-up and still sucks ass.


T1 sucks ass? What? They've been the most successful team over the years, by a looooooooong shot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/teams/1_SK_Telecom_T1


Assuming he meant SKT now = Chelsea a few years ago?

And hey, what about all 40 of us Stars fans? ^^

Nottingam Forest - you won the CL twice in the very beginning but thats long forgotten


Lol so true. Go Reds! ㅋㅋ
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
May 19 2010 13:22 GMT
#31
great analogies
but.. no stars
no fox
cw)minsean(ru
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 13:26 GMT
#32
Stars are like Fiorentina, they won a champions cup long ago, or maybe they are like Dortmund?
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Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
May 19 2010 13:35 GMT
#33
soo true for KT and SKT1
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2010 13:37 GMT
#34
KT = Roma because they both have the bonjwas of their respective sports (Flash and Totti).
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 19 2010 13:44 GMT
#35
On May 19 2010 19:44 disciple wrote:


Samsung KHAN - Chelsea
But the blatand truth is that no one likes KHAN. And no one likes Chelsea. Both have no fans.



Most people are idiots. KHAN fans made it through the filter; we are all geniuses who bench 500 and have supermodels for girlfriends.

KHAN - For Ballers Only.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
May 19 2010 13:53 GMT
#36
That's awesome

But I gotta know that Gerrard is freaking awesome!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19347 Posts
May 19 2010 13:58 GMT
#37
On May 19 2010 19:44 disciple wrote:

Samsung KHAN - Chelsea
KHAN are quite good, they really are. One can say January's team is a powerhouse and it will be true. Chelsea are powerhouse as well, they are a super strong squad. But the blatand truth is that no one likes KHAN. And no one likes Chelsea. Both have no fans.



im a Chelsea fan o.o

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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 14:08 GMT
#38
Wemade FOX is like Newcastle, at times they put together a great team but they just can't win shit
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
May 19 2010 14:26 GMT
#39
On May 19 2010 23:08 fox[tail] wrote:
Wemade FOX is like Newcastle, at times they put together a great team but they just can't win shit

you obviously havent been following the scene the last months then
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
May 19 2010 14:31 GMT
#40
On May 19 2010 23:26 ThePhan2m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 23:08 fox[tail] wrote:
Wemade FOX is like Newcastle, at times they put together a great team but they just can't win shit

you obviously havent been following the scene the last months then


No i meant that they have never won a proleague title, just like Newcastle hasn't won anything in the last fifty years
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
May 19 2010 14:52 GMT
#41
On May 19 2010 20:05 fox[tail] wrote:
Actually switch KT to Barselona, they only have one good player and because of that they are overhyped (and both have plenty of bandwagon fans).
Chelsea has a lot of fans, and they have probably one of the best starting lineups ever, referee bias is the reason they haven't won much.
SKT - Real Madrid... Both team's have the history and the glory to back it up, just compare the champions cup/league to proleague


That is so completely and utterly wrong that you must either know little about football or are just a typical Madrid fan. Barcelona is the opposite of a one-man team. Almost every goal by Barcelona would have touched half the team before the shot is made.

As much as I like KT, they are nothing like Barcelona. They are more like United or Arsenal this season, who rely on Rooney and Fabregas way too much for their own good, since their other players are injured or "slumping".
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
May 19 2010 14:53 GMT
#42
I always knew there was a reason I did not like Samsung Khan and CJ Entus.
Brood War forever!
Groslouser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France337 Posts
May 19 2010 14:57 GMT
#43
On May 19 2010 22:14 LoStYouRSkiLLS wrote:
Nice comparisons though. Who knows about Liverpool, with a new manager and all..


Hahaha!
it feels like every year you can hear this about Liverpool.
Btw being a CJ fan this reminds me of something...
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
May 19 2010 15:07 GMT
#44
Awesome write up dude. Go CJ!

AHHHHH Oz one man team (( but <3 for Jaedong
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
May 19 2010 15:12 GMT
#45
Liverpool for life
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CKSide
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States223 Posts
May 19 2010 15:21 GMT
#46
nice, MU and SKT fan here. hahaha I'm glad you paired that =D
waiting for post about personality and preference reflecting choice in teams and how it relates across sports.
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[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
May 19 2010 15:53 GMT
#47
STX and Barça fan personally

STX=Arsenal? Always very good, never quite good enough
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
May 19 2010 16:02 GMT
#48
Torres was crazy good even in Atletico Madrid, he just kind of kept his form from there, its so wrong to concider him a lp homegrown talent
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FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
May 19 2010 16:09 GMT
#49
STX = Fulham (earnest underdogs)
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Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands273 Posts
May 19 2010 16:39 GMT
#50
Star = Arsenal,

zero = cesc fabregas
^^
pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
May 19 2010 17:06 GMT
#51
nice read gj
shit happens
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
May 19 2010 17:27 GMT
#52
There aren't really equivalents of SC teams for Arsenal and Barcelona :/
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ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
May 19 2010 18:17 GMT
#53
I would make WeMadeFox = Barcerlona because both have great teams sharing the work
Ty (Baby) = Messi
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
May 19 2010 18:23 GMT
#54
On May 19 2010 23:31 fox[tail] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 23:26 ThePhan2m wrote:
On May 19 2010 23:08 fox[tail] wrote:
Wemade FOX is like Newcastle, at times they put together a great team but they just can't win shit

you obviously havent been following the scene the last months then


No i meant that they have never won a proleague title, just like Newcastle hasn't won anything in the last fifty years


how about the championship sdhsadjadhnsdnadadnjad

can win it again in 2 seasons too
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
May 19 2010 21:06 GMT
#55
Football needs to change up the map pool a bit. That same map over and over again every year is getting really boring.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
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