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BrowneY
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:47:34
May 11 2010 21:40 GMT
#1
I'm looking for either a very difficult RPG or MMORPG. I'd prefer one with a bit of multiplayer(2player). But it isn't necessary. Not one that has an extremely hard learning curve, though I wouldnt mind one. It must be for the PC, and it hopefully can be quite long. If anyone knows of a game like this, please let me know. It can be a MMORPG, as long as it is difficult, and F2P.

Games I've Played:
Diablo 2/Diablo 1
Dragon Age Origins
Entire Fallout Series
X-Com Series
Elder Scrolls
Few others.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions.

Forgot about the Elder Scrolls series.

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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
May 11 2010 21:41 GMT
#2
Difficult Learning Curve you say?

Monster Hunter
Go do it.
A very skill-based game
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 11 2010 21:42 GMT
#3
I dunno about difficulties but The Elder Scrolls are the best RPG's made. (bias)

I suggest TES IV: Oblivion or TES: III Morrowind but it's a bit older.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 11 2010 21:43 GMT
#4
On May 12 2010 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I dunno about difficulties but The Elder Scrolls are the best RPG's made. (bias)

I suggest TES IV: Oblivion
or TES: III Morrowind but it's a bit older.



That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
LolnoobInsanity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
May 11 2010 21:45 GMT
#5
Did you like the fallout games? If so there are similar games in that vein, like Planescape: torment, or Arcanum or Baldur's gate.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
May 11 2010 21:46 GMT
#6
You can still play some of the Final Fantasy games with a "challenge." I.e. no Magic, no inns, etc etc. There's several "challeneges" out there that make them much more fun/challenging. GL HF ^^
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6226 Posts
May 11 2010 21:47 GMT
#7
You could give Torchlight a try on the hardest difficulty, it gets pretty intense in the later levels. But, it's single player
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 11 2010 21:48 GMT
#8
On May 12 2010 06:43 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I dunno about difficulties but The Elder Scrolls are the best RPG's made. (bias)

I suggest TES IV: Oblivion
or TES: III Morrowind but it's a bit older.




It's bias cause I played Oblivion first. But c'mon TES are amazing.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
May 11 2010 21:48 GMT
#9
Baulder's Gate ! and 2, Throne of Baal

you can get 300+ hours on that one
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:50:23
May 11 2010 21:49 GMT
#10
BG2 Tactics mod

Nah i think it is more like batshit insanely difficult.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
May 11 2010 21:49 GMT
#11
Baldur's Gate 1+2 if you dont mind the graphics
and kotor is fun
but since you played Dragon age...really, is there any point playing another rpg?
shit happens
BrowneY
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
40 Posts
May 11 2010 21:50 GMT
#12
I was thinking of trying Torchlight. I head BG2 has multiplayer, is it any good, like can I play the campaign with my buddy?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:52:19
May 11 2010 21:50 GMT
#13
Vanilla BG2 is a joke.
BG1 can be quite hard for your first run though.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
May 11 2010 21:51 GMT
#14
temple of elemental evil.

seeing at what you played before, you'll shit brix
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pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
May 11 2010 21:54 GMT
#15
and also Final Fantasy VII
shit happens
BrowneY
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
40 Posts
May 11 2010 21:57 GMT
#16
Graphics arent a problem for me, I've played several old games, and still play them to date. Im leaning towards Baldurs Gate 2 because of the Multiplayer, any good Mod's for it that I should look into. Any other game suggestions would be welcome as well.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
May 11 2010 21:57 GMT
#17
On May 12 2010 06:51 WiljushkA wrote:
temple of elemental evil.

seeing at what you played before, you'll shit brix


i second this poster.

this game is extremely difficult without extensive D&D twinking knowledge.
pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
May 11 2010 21:58 GMT
#18
BGs 2 multiplayer can be alot of fun if you have a friend to play with, it can create some crazy strats
shit happens
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
May 11 2010 21:59 GMT
#19
Deus Ex

Its a hybrid RPG and FPS

On realistic mode, it can be quite tough
Groslouser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France337 Posts
May 11 2010 22:01 GMT
#20
The bg serie is what you need
With a little tweaking you'll be able to play the ENTIRE serie as one game, with the graphics of bg2 (which although old are quite nice).
And you can set the difficulty from "olol² ez" to "i throw my comp through a window"
Plus the plot is one of the greatest ever. If you've never played it, it's a classic. if you're interested in how the game can be modified, PM me.

Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 11 2010 22:03 GMT
#21
On May 12 2010 06:48 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:43 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 12 2010 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I dunno about difficulties but The Elder Scrolls are the best RPG's made. (bias)

I suggest TES IV: Oblivion
or TES: III Morrowind but it's a bit older.




It's bias cause I played Oblivion first. But c'mon TES are amazing.


Morrowind is great.

Oblivion kept all of the flaws that Morrowind had, removed much of its greatness, added some stupid shit like leveled gear and random bandits with daedric equipment and then had ~three voice actors voice every npc in the game.
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 11 2010 22:04 GMT
#22
Another recommendation for Baldur's Gate. It was difficult for me, but I was 10 years old so I guess most games were difficult.

But if you were really hardcore you'd play roguelike games such as Angband.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 22:08:25
May 11 2010 22:07 GMT
#23
On May 12 2010 06:49 Boblion wrote:
BG2 Tactics mod

Nah i think it is more like batshit insanely difficult.

Lol Boblion as soon as I saw the thread title, I knew I'd find you here.

Defintely second his recommendation.

On May 12 2010 06:57 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:51 WiljushkA wrote:
temple of elemental evil.

seeing at what you played before, you'll shit brix


i second this poster.

this game is extremely difficult without extensive D&D twinking knowledge.

And boils down to a Bugbear murder simulator with it.
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Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
May 11 2010 22:07 GMT
#24
Try psp game FFVII: Crisis core on hard mode. Some points are a joke!
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 11 2010 22:17 GMT
#25
For something REALLY technical, there is Guildwar.
For something that is just hard, there is final fantasy.
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viletomato
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada277 Posts
May 11 2010 22:31 GMT
#26
On May 12 2010 06:59 Fen wrote:
Deus Ex

Its a hybrid RPG and FPS

On realistic mode, it can be quite tough



Actually Deus Ex on realistic mode is still quite easy. For example, upgrade sniper rifle and just kill everything before they even notice you are there. You need to play Deus Ex with handicaps like crow bars only or no upgrades.
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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
May 11 2010 22:34 GMT
#27
Mount & Blade

Not really a full fledged RPG, but it has some RPG elements in there. Just make sure to crank the damage sliders to "Normal" which is the hardest.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 23:42:05
May 11 2010 22:36 GMT
#28
On May 12 2010 07:31 viletomato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:59 Fen wrote:
Deus Ex

Its a hybrid RPG and FPS

On realistic mode, it can be quite tough



Actually Deus Ex on realistic mode is still quite easy. For example, upgrade sniper rifle and just kill everything before they even notice you are there. You need to play Deus Ex with handicaps like crow bars only or no upgrades.

Hmm this is only true when your character got enough Xp.

The beginning when you have shitty weapons, no ammo and poor skills isn't that easy.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
May 11 2010 22:48 GMT
#29
Secret of Mana. Fuck the last boss with 10million hp and only being able to carry 5 items of any type.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
May 11 2010 22:48 GMT
#30
It will be hard to find a hard RPG.

You should consider trying out roguelikes, like dungeon crawl.
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Nao
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland166 Posts
May 11 2010 22:56 GMT
#31
On May 12 2010 07:48 IMlemon wrote:
It will be hard to find a hard RPG.

You should consider trying out roguelikes, like dungeon crawl.
I second that, most rougelikes are quite hard.

My personal favorite is ADOM, and there are many more others, even something like good old Doom rougelike for example (it's awesome).
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noddyz
Profile Joined October 2008
United Kingdom462 Posts
May 11 2010 23:18 GMT
#32
I remember Hammer and Sickle being insanely unforgiving.
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 11 2010 23:34 GMT
#33
TES 4: Oblivion was good, but it could have been waaaay better....
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Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 23:53:23
May 11 2010 23:38 GMT
#34
I never thought RPGs were supposed to be hard, after all, they want people to experience everything.
Most of my experiences come from consoles, PC's rpgs appear to be more difficult, like Baldur's Gate, Morrowind, Ultima series, etc.

I heard the Might & Magic series can be quite difficult if you can stay away from the exploits.

A game you haven't played but that's quite easy is Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. Just AMAZING.

And, finally, in the turn-based strategy games (you played X-Com, the best there is) you can try Jagged Alliance and Mission Force: Cyberstorm (a personal favorite of mine, buy mechs, customize them, clone a pilot and drug him! Ah, the joys of gaming before the political correctness squad ever existed) . I also heard nice things about Master of Magic.

On May 12 2010 06:46 Tump wrote:
You can still play some of the Final Fantasy games with a "challenge." I.e. no Magic, no inns, etc etc. There's several "challeneges" out there that make them much more fun/challenging. GL HF ^^


I do this all the time, Phantasy Star IV without using inns, Skies of Arcadia without buying equipment, etc. If you look at Realms Beyond Diablo that are tons of these "challenges", some silly and some are really interesting, like the Amazon and Gothic for Diablo 1. Final Fantasy Tactics fit in this too.

On May 12 2010 07:07 Reno(TE) wrote:
Try psp game FFVII: Crisis core on hard mode. Some points are a joke!


I tried that, it wasn't really difficult but boring. Enemies had tons of HP but that's that.

cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
May 11 2010 23:42 GMT
#35
earthbound with SNES emulator. epicly long and hard if you don't use a walkthrough ><
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 12 2010 00:11 GMT
#36
The Fire Emblem games are pretty good.
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RageOverdose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States690 Posts
May 12 2010 00:17 GMT
#37
Vagrant Story or Final Fantasy Tactics? Both by the same director from Square (the one that directed FFXII). Tactics is difficult because of the enemy leveling and that it takes more than powering to win, and Vagrant Story has a pretty complex character system going on.

I seriously need to be playing Baulder's Gate though.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
May 12 2010 00:33 GMT
#38
On May 12 2010 07:56 Nao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 07:48 IMlemon wrote:
It will be hard to find a hard RPG.

You should consider trying out roguelikes, like dungeon crawl.
I second that, most rougelikes are quite hard.

My personal favorite is ADOM, and there are many more others, even something like good old Doom rougelike for example (it's awesome).

thirded, roguelikes are a whole different league of hard. it's very easy to make mistakes, mistakes usually lead to death, and death is permanent (meaning you have to start from the beginning again)

Also I recommend Transcendence, it's not really a fantasy rpg but more in the style of Escape Velocity Nova (which is also good if you haven't tried it). you're in a spaceship and you kill other ships for loot and visit space stations instead of towns. same rpg formula but with a spaceship instead of a character.
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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
May 12 2010 00:42 GMT
#39
Demon's FUCKING Souls
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 12 2010 00:45 GMT
#40
Demon souls
So difficult
Someone said oblivion before... with the difficulty slider all the way up and a few difficulty increasing mods it can be really hard.
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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 01:44:02
May 12 2010 01:42 GMT
#41
Final Fantasy Tactics is a hard strategic RPG. Here is my blog post about the game. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=120210

If vanilla is too easy for you, download FFT 1.3 I listed in that blog Great great game

You can play it on your computer with an emulator
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Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 05:26:02
May 12 2010 05:25 GMT
#42
Forget RPG's. Dungeon crawlers are where it's at.

Try like... the Etrian Odyssey games for the DS. Those were good times for me. Brought back a lot of memories. Decently challenging, especially if you don't allow yourself to use Immunize.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
May 12 2010 05:27 GMT
#43
On May 12 2010 06:48 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:43 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 12 2010 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I dunno about difficulties but The Elder Scrolls are the best RPG's made. (bias)

I suggest TES IV: Oblivion
or TES: III Morrowind but it's a bit older.




It's bias cause I played Oblivion first. But c'mon TES are amazing.



Morrowind is definitely one of my favorite games. To me, other than some of the side missions (The Brotherhood missions were amazing), Oblivion was only okay.
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condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
May 12 2010 05:37 GMT
#44
Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat?
Sigrun
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United States1655 Posts
May 12 2010 05:54 GMT
#45
Demon's Souls
Any from the Shin Megami Tensei series.
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Shrine
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia107 Posts
May 12 2010 06:30 GMT
#46
Magic Candle 2. (286,386,486 game still one of the hardest games i've played not from learning curve).

Exile 1,2,3,4. (very simple games but are fairly hard and have an amazing storyline).

Arcanum. (Troika makes THE best freeform do what you want games also look up Bloodlines the masquerade, forget about temple of elemental evil its bad and very small).

Icewind Dale 1,2 (Faerûn world same as BG1,2 - NWN 1,2).

Sacred 1,2. ( Diablo clone that has a HUGE world atleast 20x bigger than Diablo 2 with very similar graphics, number 2 is huge with really good graphics).

Magic & Mayhem. (Different style of rpg but summoning minions is always fun, really hard puzzles)

You can download emulators for the PC, Get a snes one and get, Chrono's Trigger, Breath of Fire 1,2,3, Lufia 1,2, Secret of mana and Secret of Evermore, and a fair few others i cant think of sorry.

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Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
May 12 2010 06:45 GMT
#47
On May 12 2010 07:31 viletomato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 06:59 Fen wrote:
Deus Ex

Its a hybrid RPG and FPS

On realistic mode, it can be quite tough



Actually Deus Ex on realistic mode is still quite easy. For example, upgrade sniper rifle and just kill everything before they even notice you are there. You need to play Deus Ex with handicaps like crow bars only or no upgrades.


Deus Ex is easy on realistic because the people that play on realistic are those who completed the game (usually more than once) and have a good understanding of whats going on and whats going to happen. If you played through on realistic the first time round, I reckon you'd have had a tough time with it.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
May 12 2010 06:49 GMT
#48
Star ocean 3 on 4d difficulty is definitely a good challenge
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