Let's face it. We're all going to miss screaming Korean commentators should the shit hit the fan for SCII in Korea (won't discuss it here). All of the best moments in SC history had the associating commentators SCREAMING THEIR BUTTS OFF for minutes.
The question I implore upon you, TL, is which channel has the better commentators, OGN or MBC?
I'll try to add videos that may be a bit obscure among TL netizens along with famous ones.
The OGN commentators are much, much better. Their commentary has tons more depth and insight. MBC was pretty good when they had nal_ra, but now they don't, so they suck again.
On May 11 2010 14:40 koreasilver wrote: The OGN commentators are much, much better. Their commentary has tons more depth and insight. MBC was pretty good when they had nal_ra, but now they don't, so they suck again.
Not a first someone has said this but when you dont understand the language fluently, its all good.
I dunno, even in the funny department I find the OGN commentators to be much funnier when they do have their funny moments. But I guess that also is because I understand Korean fluently.
On May 11 2010 14:00 phosphorylation wrote: if you understand korean, you will appreicate OGN announcers more. The carrier video is HILARIOUS.
lol not necessarily. I understand Korean fluently, and the OGN commentators are always fighting to speak about... nothing. The fat guy, he's like John Madden, he says absolutely NOTHING when he speaks, just says boring obvious crap that no one really cares about, and STUTTERS too lol. The commentators are always trying to say more of nothing... and they talk about the most random crap sometimes lol, just like in the OP drawing. However, the biggest upside is that they have absolute toooonnssss of experience... after all, they've been around SC progaming started.
On the other hand, MBC also obviously has its problems... they do have this "nothing" problem too, but their casters are young and can think quickly. And plus they scream like hell, which is seriously funny and exciting to listen to. Also, they're actually really funny, while the jokes in OGN are kinda... old man jokes.
Basically, IMO, it's a question of old repetitive men with experience vs young inexperienced kids who can yell. For me, the latter is a lot more fun. One of the reasons I watch SC is to be entertained, and MBC just does a better job for me.
I don't agree with the general consensus of the Koreans in this thread. Am I missing out here? I always thought the MBC commentators were far superior to the OGN ones, and I don't think I've ever thought otherwise (TheMarine was really good, but I still don't think I liked him better than the collection of MBC commentators).
I've always felt that Um Jae Kyung, who's like the most senior of the OGN commentators, talked a lot out of his ass, and had the least understanding of the game out of all the commentators, both companies combined. Besides that he always repeats the same words, and stutters sometimes too. Plus a lot of the times the OGN commentators are super awkward, like when they see a cheerful and they don't really know what to say about it, or when they see a couple or attractive audience member, I always felt they didn't know how to respond well to it.
The glasses guy (I don't know his name) on MBC has like the most fluid speech out of all of them, by far, and maybe that skews my perception of his understanding of the game, but I've always thought he was the best commentator of them all, hands down.
I don't even agree with the point that OGN commentators have a better understanding of the game, although I don't have much authority on that subject because koreasilver most definitely understands the game better than I do. I can say with confidence though, in terms of just fluidity of speech, energy, and dealing with situations, MBC is much much better than OGN.
On May 11 2010 14:40 koreasilver wrote: The OGN commentators are much, much better. Their commentary has tons more depth and insight. MBC was pretty good when they had nal_ra, but now they don't, so they suck again.
holy shit, no
the main trio for OSL is terrible at reading games... the MSL crew is waaay more knowledgable about starcraft than the OSL guys
as for PL, they are about even, and it's a different flavor for every day
On May 11 2010 14:00 phosphorylation wrote: if you understand korean, you will appreicate OGN announcers more. The carrier video is HILARIOUS.
what makes the carrier video so funny exactly? i dont get it :\
i was talkign about the vid with flash vs bisu the commentator who is most excited has nick name kim carri, because he loves carriers for the first 3/4 of video he gets really really excited about how bisu is teching to carriers and how that's the only way to beat flash when they finalyl come out, he gets reallly excited then the dramatic music stops and this sad music (not sure where its from but it's a korean meme) comes in and shows flash raping carriers and kim carri sounds very sad indeed
On May 11 2010 14:40 koreasilver wrote: The OGN commentators are much, much better. Their commentary has tons more depth and insight. MBC was pretty good when they had nal_ra, but now they don't, so they suck again.
holy shit, no
the main trio for OSL is terrible at reading games... the MSL crew is waaay more knowledgable about starcraft than the OSL guys
as for PL, they are about even, and it's a different flavor for every day
In PL, both channels use 2 different sets of casters. I know for OGN, the rotation is:
1. Um , Kim Carri, Song
2. Jun, Nal_ra, Kingdom
That's why you get different flavors for different PL games.
On May 11 2010 14:40 koreasilver wrote: The OGN commentators are much, much better. Their commentary has tons more depth and insight. MBC was pretty good when they had nal_ra, but now they don't, so they suck again.
holy shit, no
the main trio for OSL is terrible at reading games... the MSL crew is waaay more knowledgable about starcraft than the OSL guys
as for PL, they are about even, and it's a different flavor for every day
In PL, both channels use 2 different sets of casters. I know for OGN, the rotation is:
1. Um , Kim Carri, Song
2. Jun, Nal_ra, Kingdom
That's why you get different flavors for different PL games.
The classic OGN trio are classic for a reason imo. Yes, they might not read the games best but they are best at creating dramatic, emotional backdrop. And they have years of experience. I really also like the "alternative" personnel of OGN, which include nalra, kingdom, and sung caster They have this very cynical, dry humor that is really hilarious if you understand korean.
I think the ultimate trio (hypotehtical) would be the glasses guy from MBC (intelligent and best at reading games), Jeon Yong Jun from OGN classic trio (usually at the center, very good delivery and heightens drama) and Um from classic trio (the fat dude, who is really good at creating a sense of story/drama)
So that would be ideal combination for important matches like finals or whatever. For more "relaxed" proleagues, I might also like a funny combination, consisting of Sung caster (from OGN, really smooth delivery and dry wit), Park (from MBC, the really wild one) and Kingdom (who is also pretty comical)
Maybe I've been blind, but don't the OGN commentators do several games and not just SC? I've noticed one of them that does SC, also did Sudden Attack. Heck I know Fox Sports does this, they have one guy who does Football, NASCAR, and I think shows up during some MLB when Nascar -> ESPN.
PS: I'd vote but I don't know Korean to actually tell which commentators are giving me the best commentary. I'd lean OGN, because I'm noticing that I don't care which teams are playing during PL, I'll pick the OGN stream and hope I catch great matches (not always the case.)
I think people on this thread summed up pretty much about my thoughts on OGN and MBC.
OGN talks slightly slower in my opinion. Thus, its slightly easier to translate when I'm watching live games. However, I think they put a little more insight on the game. The main trio started their job (or at least one or two of them) back in 1999 during the Tooniverse league (which eventually changed into OSL), and they have plenty of experience. Although they aren't as exciting as the MBC commentators, their commentaries are insightful.
I don't know how OSL commentators were picked, but I think this maybe the reason why the two channels have slight different style of commentaries. When MBC started to do MSL and eventually Proleague matches, they had a contest for the commentator spot on these respective shows. They wanted someone who was good at commentating but also making the game really exciting. And thus the commentators for the MBC Game were picked this way (as far as I know). Result? I'm not too sure about their commentaries in terms of insightfulness. They surely lack the brains compared to OSL commentators (well, experience is always better). However, they bring the excitement to the game, including the infamous 'GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG' and the fake recall. They talk fast however, and its slightly harder to translate MBC games compared to OSL.
mbc commentators are cute and do a good job, but lately OGN has been matching them intensity-wise with their kingdom/nalra combo, they sound like they're speaking rabidly in tongues when they're casting together, and in terms of strategic detail ogn's always been a bit more in-depth than MBC's... so I'd give the edge to OGN. However, even though Shark isn't an announcer i think he does a great job for them in the two or three shows he's in and overall I think MBC's sideshows are better than OGN's.
Commentary is a really underappreciated aspect of VOD watching, they all do a tremendous job- considering a lot of the time it's like drawing blood from a stone.
My favourite caster is Park Sang Hyun because he's witty and natural and I think IntotheRain is the best former progamer to commentate, they have great chemistry together. I also think TheMarine and Garimto were much better than Nal_rA and Kingdom, as much as I love them all Nal_rA's voice is too monotone at times and Kingdom is too much over the top. And Yooi is too whiny. Recently Yoo Byung Joon has finally filled the void left by Kim Dong Jin for the MBCGame trio.
Lee Seung Won is the best analyst by far, his voice is awesome and he sends shivers down my spine every time with his ghastly predictions,
In this famous scene only 10 seconds earlier Lee Seung Won says "oov must be wary of zealot bombs, thats what Reach is looking to exploit"
MBC > OGN in my books. Just because...I dunno. Their voices sound really nice imo for commentating. OGN isn't that bad, but I dunno...I really like the commentary given my MBC a lot more...
anyway, kind of off-topic: is it possible to download the annotations (the ones that show the english translation) of youtube videos -- the crazy mbc commentator vids are hilarious!!
personally, as a korean, i prefer MBC to get me hyped up and entertained, but there are times i want some insight, then i would look to OGN (though lately it's gotten pretty bad, when the fuck is TheMarine coming back )
On May 13 2010 00:13 konadora wrote: personally, as a korean, i prefer MBC to get me hyped up and entertained, but there are times i want some insight, then i would look to OGN (though lately it's gotten pretty bad, when the fuck is TheMarine coming back )
He went to the military at the end of Proleague 08-09 season, so he's gone for a while (at least that's what I heard).
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