No, this is not another one of these "I quit" blogs, but more of one that addresses the obvious issues TL will face in the near future. TL is obviously becoming a completely different site, right in front of our faces.
I do not mean for this blog to be inflammatory or to criticize anyone in any sort of way.
For the past four and a half years, TL has been a staple of my internet life. Every day, the first thing I would do after getting home from school would be to check TL for any new updates. For the next 6 hours, I would always have a calculus or biology book in one hand, and my laptop with the TL page on it in the other. I discovered the exciting and new world of Korean professional gaming, something I had never seen before. And yes, I watched all those Klazart commentaries, and applaud him for his exciting commentaries (although full of factual errors).
Soon I would begin playing SC again, except on low money maps rather than on "Evolvezz No Noobs!!" or "ZC NR MM +2 Xpertz." I really began playing seriously in 2008, where I would grind 10+ games a day with various ICCUP teams, and got to solid yellow ranks. I was becoming a decent starcraft player, TL was amusing with just the right balance of veterans and new blood, starcraft vods were fascinating, life was good. I couldn't imagine ever leaving Teamliquid as a site.
However, over time things began to change. I am sure many of you experienced a similar phenomenon: where at first you watched every, single, game, (even OGN Sparkyz vs Estro 50 minute TvT matches), over time the new, refreshing idea of progaming started to wear off. You then start to only watch MSL/OSL games, and finally, only Ro8 matches and above. Also, I began to play less and less SC as real life and especially the stresses of my senior year in 2008-2009 (applying to college, etc.) started to wear on me.
However, I still followed and played SC (although to a far lesser extent). I also stayed for a much more important reason: the people of TL. TL members tended to be intelligent, helpful, and relatively idiot-proof. They offered insightful comments on important issues, as many are obviously smart and college educated. Then came 2 bombshells. SC2 beta and the illegal gambling bomb.
With the advent of SC2 beta, tons of people began to quit BW. Many top players and friends stopped playing altogether, so I saw no point in continuing to play BW. I also hoped that Starcraft 2 would re-energize my interest in gaming and esports, but SC2 would do no such thing. Instead, I found after playing a few placement matches that SC2 felt rather dry and uninspired (especially from the zerg perspective), and that watching SC2 was even more boring; it always just feels like two blobs going at it, and the fatter blob wins.
With Starcraft 2 beta also came a massive new wave of users. I don't have official statistics, but I would be willing to bet that 90% of posts nowadays are made by posters who joined within the last year. However, many of these posters have little interest in SC1 other than as "just another rts game," and are in general a seemingly much younger crowd than the veterans. I have trouble finding common ground with most of these posters, and don't feel the same "connection," if you will, with them as I do with the older crowd in TL.
The illegal gambling scandal also finally put to rest my passion for the SC1 progaming scene. Ever since the news came out that Savior was a crook all along, I haven't watched a single vod. It was too disappointing that my romantic vision of progaming was shattered (although it had already started to crack with ret, nony, and draco's stories, along with the progaming gossip series).
Now that SC is finally dying due to SC2, the fact that I probably will not be playing or watching SC2, and the massive influx of new blood that has little stake in SC1, I am not sure how much longer that Teamliquid will hold my interest in the future. I am sure that alot of other TLers feel the same way.
Anyways, I just wanted to let TL know how I feel. I am not one of those people who is saying "SC2 SUCKS!" or "OMG TL HAS DEGRADED TO SHIT!", but change always hurts.
TL;DR: TL is not the site it used to be. Some people will like it, some people will not.
Edit: I guess a big part of it is cause SC was the only game that excites me in any sort of way. I've never given a crap about esports or video games outside of SC, whether it was Counterstrike, the CoD series, Halo, or Command and Conquer. I tried some MMO's, but they all came down to boring grinding. The only game I ever really cared for is dying, and I guess that is what makes me sad.
I edited your thread title to be more accurate, as you are not actually leaving.
I don't think everyone that played starcraft was immediately enamored with it either. You have to give SC2 a chance, it's really quite a similar and fun game (non Zerg races especially). If you still don't find it fun after more playing, maybe you just outgrew video games? It happens.
I think people see the "old days" of TL through nostalgia tinted glasses too much and project what they felt was great back then. Yes, there are new posters. Yes, there are a lot of them. But I think people greatly exaggerate how "good" it was back then.
As many people say, it's still the Beta. The discoveries that made SCBW fun... well, some of them weren't discovered for a long time. Take conventional muta micro as we know it, that wasn't around until July came by. Okay Qatol Shark made it, but July popularized it. Happy now?
I am one of those people that have joined TL within the past year, but I stick with Brood War. I'm pretty sure most of my posts come from Progaming (and mafia) LR threads, and I've avoided SCII mostly, though I read some interesting threads once in a while.
I still think TL is great. I've read through some old posts, and quality is quality, and we still have quality today, if not more so. Granted, there are a lot of newer not-so-quality posters, but it takes time for people to learn.
Sorry you're leaving though, I hope you find something else.
Exactly how i feel. I joined TL for 3 main reason is to achieve C+ by this summer by learning different tactics from watching livestreams, to watching proleagues and be part of the community. TL was the place to be when i needed information and anything SCBW related. I always watched livestreams of top players playing live games everyday, but now all i see is STARCRAFT2. Yeah TL has changed ever since the beta came.
I joined within the last year, but I've been lurking for many, many years, and I agree with you. SC2 bores me to tears; even if we discover 'tricks' such as muta micro, Blizzard would likely take it out, deeming it to be imbalanced and saying that it increases the skill gap between newbies and progamer levels.
People tend to think like that for every kind of community. Most veterans will keep telling everyone how good it was ages ago, when it probably wasn't that different. Maybe you enjoyed it because you were younger or something, and now it's not as interesting for you anymore. Of course, I can't really say much about TL, since I didn't follow the community much until last year, but that always happens. A few years from now, the newbies who actually stick around will look back at this day and post about the same thing. I think we change more than the actual community does.
About SC2, well, of course people see it a lot, the game is coming out soon, we've been waiting for it for 12 years now, it should come as no surprise. And even if you didn't like the game and want SCBW information, TL is still the place to be, you can still watch korean and foreigner leagues, you can still read about the latest news and, even if not as much, there's still a few SCBW streamers around.
I find that TL is still great. Locking most threads, banning alot of users for crap posts ... I have been around for about 3 years (lurking mostly) and i find that the coverage, the tournaments (omg TSL), the TLPD, liquipedia, fantasy starcraft e.g. is absolutely awesome and steadily improving the site. There is just not an option if you want to be up-to-date!
There are a lot of new posters for sure, but it isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
But it IS funny whenever something happens like beta is launched, sc2 is street dated etc.. we now get 30 threads "announcing" each event Pretty funny.
Any organization suffers from nostalgia, and the disillusionment that inevitably comes with it. Hell, I went from a mod on this site to a standard user; from being one of the most involved to one of the least. Yet despite that, I feel that TL is still the best progaming site around, and the new staff are doing a good job - sure, it's not the same, but nothing ever is.
On May 06 2010 04:35 Last Romantic wrote: Any organization suffers from nostalgia, and the disillusionment that inevitably comes with it. Hell, I went from a mod on this site to a standard user; from being one of the most involved to one of the least. Yet despite that, I feel that TL is still the best progaming site around, and the new staff are doing a good job - sure, it's not the same, but nothing ever is.
That's true, TL is still by far the best progaming site on the web, but why do you still come here? Are you a Sc2 fan, or is it just because you're used to coming here for so many years, that you can't imagine life without TL? I sort of fit under no. 2.
I was ready to give SC2 an honest chance. I was probably one of the more optimistic ones here on the site when the game was first announced (there were alot of haters).
But, i don't know. Now I just find it... meh. I guess the game is decent. Might even be a good game by today's standards.
But simply good is not enough to keep me interested. It feels boring after just a couple of hundred games (not a good sign). In BW, whenever i lost, I could feel how lacking and how inferior I was. When an idiot beat me, I knew I had screwed up incredibly. I knew I could be faster, quicker, better and overcome it all. There was always room to improve. If there was a ceiling, I had never seen that ceiling because it was so high.
In SC2. I'm one of these fucking idiots who beats great and legendary players all the time. And I don't even feel like I'm doing anything special. I don't feel deserving at all. Whether I win or lose, it's the same feeling.
Win? Might just as well been a loss.
Loss? Might just as well been a win.
While it's stupid to claim there's no room to improve, I still feel like somehow the ceiling is in sight. Like even if I put on the best fucking performance of my life, I could still lose. With how the game currently plays out, there's not enough difference between a perfect player and a flawed one.
I find this a bit sad as I'm mostly interested in BW still; Hype threads are fewer, LR threads are crated later, and I think Flash's breaking BW together with SC2 on the rise has shifted focus a bit. Though this isn't preferable for the BW followers, all the newcomers should make Team Liquid flourish as a community.
On May 06 2010 04:42 Demand2k wrote: I find this a bit sad as I'm mostly interested in BW still; Hype threads are fewer, LR threads are crated later, and I think Flash's breaking BW together with SC2 on the rise has shifted focus a bit. Though this isn't preferable for the BW followers, all the newcomers should make Team Liquid flourish as a community.
I have no doubts TL will flourish with SC2 and become huge; I just feel like its a Super Smash Bros Melee->Brawl scenario, except worse (most good SSBM players actually stuck with it).
I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
On May 06 2010 04:47 FuDDx wrote: I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
I kinda wished they found a way to release sc2 without taking away from bw, but it seems they went for the 'replacement' route (whether or not it does is still to be seen)
Maybe like re-release bw with new features graphics, and bug/pathing fixes etc and added niceties, then make sc2 the plot progresser but a somewhat different enough game? Not sure that woulda worked either haha, Cant make everyone happy.
As for the new users,yea there's a lot, and more including lurkers posting more (hi). I feel the moderators do a good job,and can keep the quality high, yea but there is a spike "unfamiliar feel" a bit, not necessarily bad. Thats just how things go, always evolving hehe.
On May 06 2010 04:47 FuDDx wrote: I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
TL is still fun, its where we get our live streams.
but i would like to add; ever since the fanboy icons, people are treating the losing fanboys like tools after the match/series. The "QQ moar is" inevitable now, any body feel that way also? I am not offended just like to point that out.
I hear the OP ^^... I'm one of those who started lurking TL when Bisu > Savior happened... and didn't bother making an account until some time later. And although I don't always have time to post since most of what I could say has already been said by others by the time I read. I'm proud of being a TL lurker for so long. I have always found the community to be one of the most intelligente group of people and to be well guided / controlled if you will by its mods. Although I have noticed many small changes in the posters / quality of posts of some people :rolleyes: I believe the change has not been that bad at all. And by all means the mods are doing an awesome job by keeping TL in shape.
After having the opportunity to play the beta I must say I don't like it that much myself (and although I loved SC:BW the minute I got to play it back in 1998...) I'll keep lurking TL out of nostalgia and that constant search for other intelligent people with whom i share so much.
Even when talking to my gf... "I'm reading some discussion on Critical Thinking and Skepticism" or whatever other interesting issues arise. Her usual response is: "TL would..." No other computer game dedicated forum has such high average quality of posters.
TL is still the most awesome site ever. Its changing but i want it to revert back to mainly SC1. SC events are happening less which makes me sad since im getting better... :l but on the brightside, we still have Korea!!!!
Day after day, love turns grey like the skin of a dying man And night after night, we pretend it's all right but i have grown older, and you have grown colder and nothing is very much fun anymore
And I can feel one of my turns coming on. I feel cold as a razor blade tight as a tourniquet Dry as a funeral drum...
run to the bedroom, on the suitcase to the left you'll find my favourite axe Dont look so frightened this is just a passing phase, one of my bad days Do you like to watch TV? or get between the sheets? Or contemplate the silent freeway? would you like something to eat?
Would you like to learn to fly? Would you like to see me try?
Would you like to call the cops? Do you think is time I stop?
On May 06 2010 04:47 FuDDx wrote: I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
And I remember arguing with you all the time back when I joined like a month or two later. I would love to know what number I am as well, although I would assume hot_bid doesn't love me as much and will ignore this lol .
I don't even play the beta and for the last year give or take I haven't really followed the pro-scene either, but I still come to TL because there are a ton of other things going on. So many different users talking about so many different things. SC:BW and SC2 could both die out and I doubt this forum would go anywhere.
Did anyone else think that the gambling progamers of scbw conspiracy was a well timed and executed plan to to grab all the disgruntled scbw fans and redirect them towards sc2.
Like wow, it was really perfect timing. I really wouldn't be surprised if someone connected to blizzard or with stake in some sc2 planned sponsors was related with the whole thing.
On May 06 2010 04:47 FuDDx wrote: I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
And I remember arguing with you all the time back when I joined like a month or two later. I would love to know what number I am as well, although I would assume hot_bid doesn't love me as much and will ignore this lol .
On May 06 2010 04:40 LaLuSh wrote: I was ready to give SC2 an honest chance. I was probably one of the more optimistic ones here on the site when the game was first announced (there were alot of haters).
But, i don't know. Now I just find it... meh. I guess the game is decent. Might even be a good game by today's standards.
But simply good is not enough to keep me interested. It feels boring after just a couple of hundred games (not a good sign). In BW, whenever i lost, I could feel how lacking and how inferior I was. When an idiot beat me, I knew I had screwed up incredibly. I knew I could be faster, quicker, better and overcome it all. There was always room to improve. If there was a ceiling, I had never seen that ceiling because it was so high.
In SC2. I'm one of these fucking idiots who beats great and legendary players all the time. And I don't even feel like I'm doing anything special. I don't feel deserving at all. Whether I win or lose, it's the same feeling.
Win? Might just as well been a loss.
Loss? Might just as well been a win.
While it's stupid to claim there's no room to improve, I still feel like somehow the ceiling is in sight. Like even if I put on the best fucking performance of my life, I could still lose. With how the game currently plays out, there's not enough difference between a perfect player and a flawed one.
Completely agree with this. This is the #1 problem in SC2 at the moment, the skill barrier... It is far too close. I mean look at "top" players like lucifron, 50-60 apm -.0 psh..
Yeah I agree, I have no real interest in attaining a beta key even though I'm sure I could've by now. SC2 just doesn't look very appealing to me.
As with TL, I haven't been here THAT long, but definitely longer then the sudden influx of new people. If I had to choose between now and around the time I joined I would definitely go with back then.
I've been lurking around since SC2 was announced back in 2007. Starcraft or no Starcraft, TL is one of the better communities I've found on the internet. I appreciate how the mods work hard to keep the atmosphere respectful, but honest. It's really a wonderful thing.
I think its fun to see the influx of new users, but maybe because I'm kinda one of them. I know the mods have to work harder right now, but most of the jokers will be gone after a year or two. I don't see anything wrong with new blood if people are generally cool. After all, more attention to SC means bigger tournament audiences and bigger sponsorships. You aren't going to get that legitimate foreign e-sports scene everyone has been dreaming about without lots and lots of new people around to support it.
As for SC2 being boring, clearly it just takes time for people to get comfortable with the new mechanics. There is soo much potential for creative play, but you can't expect it to all be explored or discovered right away, before the game is even released. I just watched the Machine vs. Inka game (HelloGooBye Semis) where Inka forced Machine into submission with a couple of void rays and a handful of DTs, and it was pretty exciting. And don't forget that we've still got two expansions coming that will probably add some new units and allow for more creativity for each of the races. Each time you add something new into the mix, it increases creative options exponentially.
SC2 will undoubtedly grow into its rightful position on the throne of RTS gaming soon enough. Everyone is critical of the game right now, since it is still technically in development, but it ultimately wasn't Blizzard, but the players that made BW the amazing game that it was. Likewise it isn't up to Blizzard, but the players to evolve Starcraft 2 into something we can all look back on ten years from now and wish we could go back to.
On May 06 2010 04:47 FuDDx wrote: I love TL as much or more than wayyyyyyyyy back when I joined. (Still wanna know what number I was to join) This site is great, I am biased, its my opinion but I love this site and love the community that has grown with this site.I feel blessed to be a part of this site as silly as some of you may think that sounds.
Much love to TL.NET and the great People behind everything this site is.
And I remember arguing with you all the time back when I joined like a month or two later. I would love to know what number I am as well, although I would assume hot_bid doesn't love me as much and will ignore this lol .
On May 06 2010 04:09 Hot_Bid wrote: I edited your thread title to be more accurate, as you are not actually leaving.
I don't think everyone that played starcraft was immediately enamored with it either. You have to give SC2 a chance, it's really quite a similar and fun game (non Zerg races especially). If you still don't find it fun after more playing, maybe you just outgrew video games? It happens.
I think people see the "old days" of TL through nostalgia tinted glasses too much and project what they felt was great back then. Yes, there are new posters. Yes, there are a lot of them. But I think people greatly exaggerate how "good" it was back then.
Dem youggin's are ruining the phorum. We need to get back to the good old days of Ronald Reagan-TL
On May 06 2010 04:09 Hot_Bid wrote: I edited your thread title to be more accurate, as you are not actually leaving.
I don't think everyone that played starcraft was immediately enamored with it either. You have to give SC2 a chance, it's really quite a similar and fun game (non Zerg races especially). If you still don't find it fun after more playing, maybe you just outgrew video games? It happens.
I think people see the "old days" of TL through nostalgia tinted glasses too much and project what they felt was great back then. Yes, there are new posters. Yes, there are a lot of them. But I think people greatly exaggerate how "good" it was back then.
Dem youggin's are ruining the phorum. We need to get back to the good old days of Ronald Reagan-TL
Where did I say that the new posters were "ruining TL?" I said that its hard to relate to younger posters who were introduced to the site solely through Starcraft 2. Read before you post please.
I guess I'm one of the new members, even though I didn't join when sc2 came out, I joined back when sc1 was awesome and I became interested in the progaming scene. I see the changes your talking about, but I think that new posters will either in time become cool people, or drift away pretty quickly. I also think that starcraft 2 doesn't have nearly as high of a skill ceiling as starcraft 1, hopefully the expansions will change that, if not, maybe some UMS or alternate game mode will evolve that progaming and competitive esports can build around, just as Dota did for Wc3(not that wc3 has no skill or that I want Dota for sc2).
I am a new forum registered person, but one thing you have to remember back in the "glory" days is that BW was already out for 4 years when this website was created(Not sure exactly on time) So you had the hardcore crowd who stuck with the game for the love of it.
Most of the people who annoy you with their stupid posts are the omg new game hype people. Once this game is released the number will drop, then after a year or two it will drop even more and those remaining will usually be quality posters and those who love SC in general.
There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
I'm not arguing that there were "glory days," I'm saying that the advent of SC2 and with it the massive influx of younger users is fundamentally changing TL.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
I'm not arguing that there were "glory days," I'm saying that the advent of SC2 and with it the massive influx of younger users is fundamentally changing TL.
Give it time they'll adapt and evolve or they'll be banned.
there will also be cool new people to hit the scene and these forums. the more the merrier as long as the mods keep up with the banning i see the influx of new users only as an enrichment (i'm really excited what tl will look like 1 year from now - with the release of sc2 yet to come)
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
yeah, cause worthwhile posters go around calling everyone arrogant nerds.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
yeah, cause worthwhile posters go around calling everyone arrogant nerds.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
yeah, cause worthwhile posters go around calling everyone arrogant nerds.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
yeah, cause worthwhile posters go around calling everyone arrogant nerds.
On May 06 2010 09:04 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: There were no "glory days" TL was always a house of arrogant nerds doing what they do best. Sure there has been an influx of users since beta but that shouldn't change much. The mods ban anyone they please at a whim and that's why TL is so tightly nit.
Hmm... I wonder who might be cruising for a "ban on a whim" next!!
Typically any suggestion towards SC2 to model something around BW is met with "SC2 is NOT BW"
So sick and tired of that argument, If FIFA 2010 had an amazing shooting system, should I not include it from FIFA 2011 because "FIFA 2011 is NOT FIFA 2010?"
Sequels are meant to TRANSCEND the previous; thus including an element from the previous which has been deemed extraordinary still allows for this fundamental principle to take place. This is not an argument for recreating brood war, but merely a counter example to the "SC2 is NOT BW" argument; changes can be good, and in fact most BW enthusiants don't mind half the changes.
However, the problem occurs when pretentious assholes shut down ANY mimicking idea with the argument that "SC2 is NOT BW."
Most of us tolerate changes, but as soon as we suggest something to remain the same it's met with this non profound, ridiculous, and seemingly justified argument
What it boils down to is pompous pretentious bullshit, which inevitably transgresses into a heated debate about semantics.
I know how you feel, I've been regularily visiting this site since 2004 (albeit this account registered in 2007), and I just don't have the heart to argue points anymore, because it all boils down to semantics.
In fact, it took me three years to get the balls to join the community; in 2004 I was below average skill level (like C- on PGTour) so I waited until I had a more in depth understanding of BW to finally join
Gah I think the problem with new posters is how they're only interested in sc2, and put down brood war whenever they talk about it and talk about sc2 being so much better. That is just what annoys me. And well broodwar is slowly being replaced by sc2
Before there were so much hype about every single thing that happens in the bw scene, now only the big things are covered.
Maybe it's time to move on if you feel that way. If esports in general doesn't excite you anymore. It happens. Nothing good in life lasts forever. Your wife's once proud and firm titties eventually become saggy and veiny. I'm sort of in the same boat as you. Not too long ago I'd catch every single MSL, OSL, and proleague game out there. And eventually, after a while, it turned to watching zergs only, and then my favourite zergs only, and then, pretty much.... just Jaedong (Or hyped of PL/league matches).
Except, I enjoy sc2. I pretty much watch every game of every tournament/showmatch that's going on right now. But yeah, who knows how long that will last (maybe another 10 years lol?). Lately it really hasn't been exciting me THAT much though. I might just need a change of scenery/ a new focus right now. When a fish is sick you gotta change its water.
On May 07 2010 10:21 Warrior Madness wrote: Maybe it's time to move on if you feel that way. If esports in general doesn't excite you anymore. It happens. Nothing good in life lasts forever. Your wife's once proud and firm titties eventually become saggy and veiny. I'm sort of in the same boat as you. Not too long ago I'd catch every single MSL, OSL, and proleague game out there. And eventually, after a while, it turned to watching zergs only, and then my favourite zergs only, and then, pretty much.... just Jaedong (Or hyped of PL/league matches).
Except, I enjoy sc2. I pretty much watch every game of every tournament/showmatch that's going on right now. But yeah, who knows how long that will last (maybe another 10 years lol?). Lately it really hasn't been exciting me THAT much though. I might just need a change of scenery/ a new focus right now. When a fish is sick you gotta change its water.
I guess a big part of it is cause SC was the only game that excites me in any sort of way. I've never given a crap about esports or video games outside of SC, whether it was Counterstrike, the CoD series, Halo, or Command and Conquer. I tried some MMO's, but they all came down to boring grinding. The only game I ever really cared for is dying, and I guess that is what makes me sad.
On May 07 2010 10:21 Warrior Madness wrote: Maybe it's time to move on if you feel that way. If esports in general doesn't excite you anymore. It happens. Nothing good in life lasts forever. Your wife's once proud and firm titties eventually become saggy and veiny. I'm sort of in the same boat as you. Not too long ago I'd catch every single MSL, OSL, and proleague game out there. And eventually, after a while, it turned to watching zergs only, and then my favourite zergs only, and then, pretty much.... just Jaedong (Or hyped of PL/league matches).
Except, I enjoy sc2. I pretty much watch every game of every tournament/showmatch that's going on right now. But yeah, who knows how long that will last (maybe another 10 years lol?). Lately it really hasn't been exciting me THAT much though. I might just need a change of scenery/ a new focus right now. When a fish is sick you gotta change its water.
I guess a big part of it is cause SC was the only game that excites me in any sort of way. I've never given a crap about esports or video games outside of SC, whether it was Counterstrike, the CoD series, Halo, or Command and Conquer. I tried some MMO's, but they all came down to boring grinding. The only game I ever really cared for is dying, and I guess that is what makes me sad.
Hmmm I see. So it's not even about what I said, but rather, BW is your only love and the rest of the world is leaving you behind. That's even worse.
This is how starcraft broodwar ends. This is how starcraft broodwar ends. This is how starcraft broodwar ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
On May 06 2010 06:10 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Lmao, you didn't expect the TL staff to stay loyal to a 12 year old game forever, did you?
This is exactly the kinda thing I was talking about -_-.
B- Terran user, been playing BW since the beginning.
I was merely pointing out the fact that you're a total idiot thinking that TL would stay the way it was forever. Game quality, depth, and the age of SC2's fan base aside, the commercial potential of SC2 is MASSIVE, and the TL staff are not going to throw away their slice of the pie.
So stop acting so much better than the new users on TL, because the way you complains about SC2 and it's fan base puts your intelligence right under a 10-year old.
I love TL... and I still love TL ( I started lurking this site like 5 years ago or idk... a lot of time ago) but the only thing that I hate about SC2 (yeah I will give time to SC2 cus now it seems boring) its the blog section or the SC2 forum.
Now the blog forum its just SC2 BETA XXXXXX (insert giveaway idea, history, etc...) just like SC2 forum, for me that's annoying.
every time someone jokes about SC2 during the OSL/MSL/proleague stream I want to stab them in the hands so they have trouble typing.
Ok I'm overreacting, but it's annoying. I'm being a hypocrite though because sometimes I joke and say that Flash has reactors on his barracks because his TvZ macro is ridiculous.
On May 06 2010 05:34 zealing wrote: i was gonna post something but then i decided there's no point so im just gonna go play some SC2
On May 06 2010 06:10 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Lmao, you didn't expect the TL staff to stay loyal to a 12 year old game forever, did you?
This is exactly the kinda thing I was talking about -_-.
B- Terran user, been playing BW since the beginning.
I was merely pointing out the fact that you're a total idiot thinking that TL would stay the way it was forever. Game quality, depth, and the age of SC2's fan base aside, the commercial potential of SC2 is MASSIVE, and the TL staff are not going to throw away their slice of the pie.
So stop acting so much better than the new users on TL, because the way you complains about SC2 and it's fan base puts your intelligence right under a 10-year old.
First, I call complete bullshit on B-. Edit: Link me to your B- account to prove it, unless your a fucking liar.
Second, you have no right to call me an idiot. Your the one who sounds like an 10 year old asshole, I doubt you read a single fucking word of my blog. I IN NO WAY insulted the new users of TL. You talk like TL is out to make bank. TL is not a fucking business, its a fansite. Let's see how long you last with that attitude.
I am crazy about BW. I joined TL because of that. But, since I got my beta... I dont feel like playing BW at all. Still enjoy it, but i want to play sc2.
TL hasnt changed much. Many new posters... many of them will be banned or gone anyway. Just sit back and relax
On May 06 2010 05:34 zealing wrote: i was gonna post something but then i decided there's no point so im just gonna go play some SC2
On May 06 2010 06:10 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Lmao, you didn't expect the TL staff to stay loyal to a 12 year old game forever, did you?
This is exactly the kinda thing I was talking about -_-.
B- Terran user, been playing BW since the beginning.
I was merely pointing out the fact that you're a total idiot thinking that TL would stay the way it was forever. Game quality, depth, and the age of SC2's fan base aside, the commercial potential of SC2 is MASSIVE, and the TL staff are not going to throw away their slice of the pie.
So stop acting so much better than the new users on TL, because the way you complains about SC2 and it's fan base puts your intelligence right under a 10-year old.
Someone doesn't know how to read, he said nothing against tl's new users. Suck it.
EPT
Pretty funny.
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