• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:02
CET 21:02
KST 05:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 WardiTV Winter Cup OSC Season 13 World Championship uThermal 2v2 Circuit WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion I would like to say something about StarCraft StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data analysis on 70 million replays
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1249 users

SC2 more thoughts...and breakthrough

Blogs > DeathSpank
Post a Reply
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
April 02 2010 00:39 GMT
#1
So I'm finally starting to win games with standard play in sc2. This is a major break through for me because I've never had good macro...like if macro was a donut I would be the hole in that donut. Non existent. As a result I have become a master cheese, schooling noobs with cannon rushes and such. However today I learned the glory of the immortal timing push and more importantly that roaches suck randy's testicles when up against big giant metal things.
A lot of people complain that sc2 is a boring blobfest, I don't think that's the case with Toss. You have to have the right mix of units or you are a piece of crispy toast that has been chewed up and digested. zealots for lings and rines, stalkers for support and air, sentries for support and blocking crap off and immortals and colossi to do the heavy damage. I was d- in broodwar because I focused too much on mechanics and not enough about game sense and timing. Now the mechanics from bw are paying off(though still lacking) but the game sense is kicking in because im playing custom games for the most part(so I don't lose my shiny gold ranking). Anyways I guess this is pretty much a brag post that I don't suck Ted Nugent's balls.

*
yes.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 02 2010 01:00 GMT
#2
On April 02 2010 09:39 DeathSpank wrote:
I guess this is pretty much a brag post that I don't suck Ted Nugent's balls.


You filthy little girl!

But what you say applies to all the races.

From speculation, it is mostly the people who don't have the beta that are saying how bad it looks.
I've found that APM still matters, micro still matters, and macro certainly matters in this game.

And it isn't as easy as everyone thinks. MBS, unlimited hotkeying, etc - people are finding new ways to expand "skill". Not just anyone can get good at this game. And it certainly doesn't feel easier than the original Starcraft.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
April 02 2010 01:05 GMT
#3
On April 02 2010 10:00 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 09:39 DeathSpank wrote:
I guess this is pretty much a brag post that I don't suck Ted Nugent's balls.


You filthy little girl!

But what you say applies to all the races.

From speculation, it is mostly the people who don't have the beta that are saying how bad it looks.
I've found that APM still matters, micro still matters, and macro certainly matters in this game.

And it isn't as easy as everyone thinks. MBS, unlimited hotkeying, etc - people are finding new ways to expand "skill". Not just anyone can get good at this game. And it certainly doesn't feel easier than the original Starcraft.

You're right it doesn't feel easier than bw but it does make me think about playing the game differently. My entrie approach to bw was that it was already figured out and that the only reason I lost was because I was playing terran with 120apm. However I don't think anyone is going to need 300 apm to make it to the proleagues in sc2(not saying that there won't be people up there) I think the games in sc2 are going to be decided more on strategy and timing since the macro is easier it will allow for more flexible play.
yes.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
April 02 2010 01:17 GMT
#4
Funny how I just put a Ted Nugent record spinning before I clicked this thread
If you have to ask, you don't know.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
April 02 2010 01:23 GMT
#5
It's going to become standard eventually to have 300 apm in "proleague" just by natural selection. I was just watching lzgamer play and even though he's great I could definitely see that he could use 100 more apm to play.

Right now a lot of people that are playing might think SC2 is significantly less mechanically challenging but that just because:

- The game is at an early stage and not all apm sinks have been exploited

- There aren't millions playing yet
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
April 02 2010 01:36 GMT
#6
Its probably much harder to have similar apm in sc2 as in scbw, since the interface works different. But that doesnt mean that the players would be slower or the game easier necessarily. Both games, any level you play, theres always more stuff you could do.

It depends on the type of commands you usually make, how long each takes. If a issuing a command makes you move your mouse a lot, then you cant click as fast while doing that as just spamming something simple from keyboard only, and so on.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 02 2010 12:58 GMT
#7
On April 02 2010 09:39 DeathSpank wrote:
So I'm finally starting to win games with standard play in sc2. This is a major break through for me because I've never had good macro...like if macro was a donut I would be the hole in that donut. Non existent. As a result I have become a master cheese, schooling noobs with cannon rushes and such. However today I learned the glory of the immortal timing push and more importantly that roaches suck randy's testicles when up against big giant metal things.
A lot of people complain that sc2 is a boring blobfest, I don't think that's the case with Toss. You have to have the right mix of units or you are a piece of crispy toast that has been chewed up and digested. zealots for lings and rines, stalkers for support and air, sentries for support and blocking crap off and immortals and colossi to do the heavy damage. I was d- in broodwar because I focused too much on mechanics and not enough about game sense and timing. Now the mechanics from bw are paying off(though still lacking) but the game sense is kicking in because im playing custom games for the most part(so I don't lose my shiny gold ranking). Anyways I guess this is pretty much a brag post that I don't suck Ted Nugent's balls.

I have the same expierience in brood war except its reversed. I'm practically a GENIUS when it comes to game sense but I'm the hole in mechanics but the hole is sooo big that it covers the Donut in darkness. Well, either that or I ate it ^^
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 481
IndyStarCraft 140
UpATreeSC 104
JuggernautJason88
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29704
Shuttle 435
Mong 49
910 25
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma312
League of Legends
C9.Mang0660
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1852
fl0m1588
shoxiejesuss463
adren_tv147
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu432
KnowMe83
Other Games
Grubby4268
FrodaN3179
Liquid`RaSZi2194
Beastyqt813
JimRising 333
RotterdaM313
DeMusliM295
Fuzer 210
ArmadaUGS181
B2W.Neo160
Sick143
ToD84
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick42033
BasetradeTV21
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 116
• Reevou 54
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 35
• FirePhoenix13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2500
Other Games
• imaqtpie2364
• Shiphtur370
Upcoming Events
OSC
17h 58m
SOOP
2 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Cure vs Creator
The PondCast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
3 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-06
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.