Timisoara, Romania

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 19:17 GunSec wrote:
I didn't get it with the comedy club lol

On March 08 2010 19:20 29 fps wrote:


i dont either, but it's still funny. lol

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 08 2010 19:23 mdb wrote:
come on guys, dont be so mean. As if everyone who visits US, have to go to a McDonalds and become fat and stupid.

On March 08 2010 21:08 Foucault wrote:
Seriously those Romanian jokes are getting old and a bit disrespectful. Just because they aren't that good at english and detecting sarcasm

On March 08 2010 19:48 ShadowDrgn wrote:


That is, in fact, a requirement for coming to the US.

On March 08 2010 21:08 Foucault wrote:
Seriously those Romanian jokes are getting old and a bit disrespectful. Just because they aren't that good at english and detecting sarcasm

On March 08 2010 22:10 Romanian from wrote:

you should not make criticisms on others when you cannot garden yourself properly... your statements is should be "aren't that well at english" and your last part needs add a period and is not full sentence

On March 08 2010 22:40 Sauron wrote:
oh wow what a good joke! you must be the funniest persons on the planet repeating the same old joke for the 2000th time.

On March 08 2010 21:08 Foucault wrote:
Seriously those Romanian jokes are getting old and a bit disrespectful. Just because they aren't that good at english and detecting sarcasm

On March 08 2010 22:46 Romanian from wrote:

is not funny to make fun of Romanians...

On March 08 2010 22:10 Romanian from wrote:

you should not make criticisms on others when you cannot garden yourself properly... your statements is should be "aren't that well at english" and your last part needs add a period and is not full sentence

On March 08 2010 23:54 citi.zen wrote:


+1



Your sarcastic-wannabe comments are not clever, neither is your account name.

On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.

Also, Tahiti.

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 09 2010 02:24 cyclone25 wrote:
Because jokes about romanians are allowed here, and since they don't refer to some individuals but to every romanian, I like to call this racism.

Why doesn't Ghermination get a "warning" for saying this: "and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english". It's like saying "yeah they're all the same: dumb and stupid".

Instead I get a "warning" for saying exactly the same thing but replacing romanians with other race/nationality.

On March 09 2010 02:35 minus_human wrote:
^Well I guess someone genuinely fucked up earlier so my troll attempt is in vain


Sorry mdb I've never been to Timisoara, but if you come in Cluj Napoca (Cluj in short, it's not THAT far away from Timisoara) I'll be sure to meet up with you, anything until Friday/Saturday this week.

On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME.

On March 09 2010 02:44 mdb wrote:

no, i`m going to tahiti

On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:



How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians?

Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum.

I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language.

On March 09 2010 02:54 mdb wrote:
I understand why my romanian friends get angry about all this "sense of humor stuff" (although apparantly romanians hate bulgarians), but I dont think there are any bad intentions when this "sarcasm" joke is said.
I think its a common problem for us eastern europeans to be a bit too much proud of ourselves and we seem to take innocent jokes too hard.

On March 09 2010 02:58 hoax wrote:
Romanians are just as good at understanding sarcasm as americans winning wars.

On March 09 2010 02:59 nttea wrote:

try convince the ROMANIANS of that! lol ^_^

On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.

On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell

Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances

On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:


Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world".

On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.

On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:


You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article).

On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:



lol why do you hate us

I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians

On March 09 2010 02:54 mdb wrote:
I understand why my romanian friends get angry about all this "sense of humor stuff" (although apparantly romanians hate bulgarians), but I dont think there are any bad intentions when this "sarcasm" joke is said.
I think its a common problem for us eastern europeans to be a bit too much proud of ourselves and we seem to take innocent jokes too hard.

On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:



lol why do you hate us

I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians

On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:

Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen.

On March 09 2010 03:14 tirentu wrote:


Because you guys all over the Balkans have been rather consistently at war for most of the last hundred years.

On March 09 2010 03:14 freelander wrote:
I can't hate Romanians, they make mititeis.

On March 08 2010 19:20 29 fps wrote:


i dont either, but it's still funny. lol

On March 09 2010 03:21 cyclone25 wrote:


You should go to a Romania-Bulgaria football match =))
You seem to be friendly, so I have no reason to hate you, but I expect the majority of bulgarians/hungarians to hate us (not like starting a war, but making stupid jokes about our nation), so I feel like we should have the same feelings for your countries.

edit: wait, I take the "friendly" thing back after seeing your spoiler LOL

On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:

The joke isn't funny for me anymore.

Using the word Romanian as a generalization for people who miss sarcasm is discrimination. I don't think it should be used at all because the cons outweigh the pros.

On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:

It's hilarious for me.


http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define: discrimination&btnG=Google Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Definitions of discrimination on the Web:
* unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice

Looks like it's not.

On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:

It's hilarious for me.

On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define: discrimination&btnG=Google Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Definitions of discrimination on the Web:
* unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice

Looks like it's not.

On March 09 2010 03:36 Durak wrote:

Is it okay as long as it's hilarious for you? What if a ton of other Romanians are offended by it? Even if by numbers more people find it funny than those who are offended, is it worth it?



Romanians are mistreated (assuming most Romanians don't like the meme) on the basis of prejudice. How is that not discrimination?

On March 09 2010 03:37 Chill wrote:


My "it's funny to me" comment holds just as much merit as your "it's not funny to me" comment.

Romanians are teased about missing sarcasm on the basis that the majority miss sarcasm. That isn't discrimination.

On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.

Also, Tahiti.

On March 09 2010 03:40 Durak wrote:


You're discrediting my entire argument by the one opinion that I posted as an example? That was to put my argument in context, not to support it. My argument is supported by the assumption that a majority of Romanians dislike the meme.

You're assuming the majority of people who miss sarcasm are Romanian. This is not a well-founded assumption. There was an example of one thread where multiple people from Romania missed sarcasm. There are many many other thread where other people miss sarcasm. You simply notice the ones from Romania because you're looking for it. This certainly is discrimination.

Edit: Fixed a bad sentence.

On March 09 2010 03:56 Jaeden wrote:
omg!!!
anyway, op, u should definitely go to a night club! even if you dont know the romanian language, there`s no problem at all. Ladies find it attractive that you're a foreigner, and you`ll find out that a lot of romanians know english. Also no one cares about under-age around here, so don`t worry.

On March 09 2010 03:56 Jaeden wrote:
omg!!!
anyway, op, u should definitely go to a night club! even if you dont know the romanian language, there`s no problem at all. Ladies find it attractive that you're a foreigner, and you`ll find out that a lot of romanians know english. Also no one cares about under-age around here, so don`t worry.

On March 09 2010 03:58 Foucault wrote:


I'm not sure if this is trying to be funny in some way or a serious invitation to Romania =)

On March 09 2010 03:50 Chill wrote:

What argument? You have two points. One is that Romanians, like all humans, don't like getting teased. Why do you need evidence to support this? While we are stating the obvious I will add that this text is black and rain makes me feel wet. Then there's this out of place "It's not funny to me" comment. That's what I'm replying to: It is funny to me. So in the poll of the universe we can now see the results are:
1 funny
1 not funny
6,692,030,275 unreported

If you want to put together a statistical basis to prove that Romanians are no more likely to miss sarcasm than anyone else, by all means go ahead. If it comes back true, I will never post about it again. Until that day, I will have to cite empirical evidence.

On March 09 2010 04:51 citi.zen wrote:
The Chill vs. Durak thing proves Canadians are taking this way too seriously. Damn it Canada... damn it.

On March 09 2010 04:33 Durak wrote:


Here's an argument diagram of my post.
+ Show Spoiler +

From your posts it seems that you disagree with SC3 and in a way SC5.

For SC3, you haven't expressed why you disagree. It can be difficult to say why something is funny and why something isn't. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on humour. However, that's weighed in the pros and cons.

As for SC5, you don't think discrimination matters on TL, and you think I need to make a statistical basis to prove it. I think that it would be more wise for you to form your own firm foundation for your discriminations than for me to disprove it. I don't want to waste time when obviously the burden of proof is on you to prove that 75% of the time Romanians are the posters who miss sarcasm.

To expand on SC4: I could be totally wrong about it but this is my personal opinion. If it's not too impractical, I could try to get their opinions by making a thread (obviously no poll, just comments) or by mass PMing.

Edit: The argument diagram is OF my post, not from it.
Edit2: Mislabled my argument diagram. Let me fix this.
Edit3: Should be good now.

On March 08 2010 17:50 jalstar wrote:
go to a comedy club

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:For starters, premise 3 is innacurate, meme's do not require wit to be funny, unless your suggesting that "you dawg, and all your base" amongst many are examples of wit, then you really cant support that claim at all

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:I feel chill dealt with Premise 4, someone not liking being teased has never been good reason to stop, no one likes being teased, you just need to deal with it

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:


Your Premises do not support you conclusion, and i will show why.

For starters, premise 3 is innacurate, meme's do not require wit to be funny, unless your suggesting that "you dawg, and all your base" amongst many are examples of wit, then you really cant support that claim at all

I feel chill dealt with Premise 4, someone not liking being teased has never been good reason to stop, no one likes being teased, you just need to deal with it

Premise 5 is flawed, the key word here being -unfair- as in, unjustified. If for example, i say that all chinese people are bad people because they are chinese, that is unjustified, and i am being discriminative. However, if i say, said that forigners are worse than koreans at sc1, or indeed if i was a korean, and said that any particular nation of people were bad at starcraft, im not being discriminative, im just being accurate.
And as with most stereotypes, they are based on truth, lots of romanians have shown a lack of understanding of sarcasm, thus, it is founded, and not discrimination. sure there are exceptions, but that doesnt stop me generalising. If you want to get into an argument about generalisations being wrong, you will loose

Premise 1 is flawed logic, becuase -you- have started this thread, not the meme, your using circular logic, you are the one de-railing the discusison, no one else, not the meme, -you- now, if i were to say that in itself means that your not allowed to argue against it, that would be a fallacy in my own argument, but im not saying that, im just saying, this point isnt vailid.

I have just attacked a sufficient number of premises to derail everyone of your sub conclusions, and as im sure you know, to attack a valid argument, i only even needed to show that one of your premisis were false.

EDIT: btw, im not nessaciraly saying i do or dont support your conclusion, your argument is just invalid and it anoyed me.

On March 09 2010 07:09 TS-Rupbar wrote:


I think that memes require wit to be funny. That people don't think "yo dawg" is funny only supports the argument that the Romanian meme may be boring as well.

That people don't like to be teased is reason enough to stop imo. There are different degrees of annoyance/fun inflicted when teasing someone. The Romanian meme is a lot of annoyance compared to how much fun it is. It is racist and boring.

You're missing the point that Romanians don't understand the sarcasm because English isn't their native language. That is different from claiming that Koreans are better than foreigners at starcraft.

The first one to reply to the un-witty joke about Romanians was a Romanian. Durak was NOT the one who started derailing the thread lol.

On March 09 2010 07:04 Durak wrote:
I only have a few minutes now so I'll address a few of your points now and then the rest in a couple hours.


SC3 is deductively valid. It is my personal opinion that unwitty memes are unfunny. That is stipulated. If you disagree, then that's fine, you may disregard SC3 from my argument. I don't put much weight into SC3 because humour is a very personal matter.


Teamliquid is a community formed around StarCraft. Why would TL want to alienate anyone (besides cheaters, lol)? Moderators certainly can set the rules for the forums to create a better environment.

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:
Premise 5 is flawed, the key word here being -unfair- as in, unjustified. If for example, i say that all chinese people are bad people because they are chinese, that is unjustified, and i am being discriminative. However, if i say, said that forigners are worse than koreans at sc1, or indeed if i was a korean, and said that any particular nation of people were bad at starcraft, im not being discriminative, im just being accurate.

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:
And as with most stereotypes, they are based on truth, lots of romanians have shown a lack of understanding of sarcasm, thus, it is founded, and not discrimination. sure there are exceptions, but that doesnt stop me generalising. If you want to get into an argument about generalisations being wrong, you will loose

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:
Premise 1 is flawed logic, becuase -you- have started this thread, not the meme, your using circular logic, you are the one de-railing the discusison, no one else, not the meme, -you- now, if i were to say that in itself means that your not allowed to argue against it, that would be a fallacy in my own argument, but im not saying that, im just saying, this point isnt vailid.

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:
I have just attacked a sufficient number of premises to derail everyone of your sub conclusions, and as im sure you know, to attack a valid argument, i only even needed to show that one of your premisis were false.

On March 09 2010 06:09 Mogget wrote:
EDIT: btw, im not nessaciraly saying i do or dont support your conclusion, your argument is just invalid and it anoyed me.

On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.

Also, Tahiti.

On March 09 2010 09:30 Mogget wrote:and no, if a premise is false an arguemnt cannot be deductivly valid, it can only be inductivly valid. If you dont belive me just do some reading. Dont forget, for an arguemnt to be deductivly valid, if the conclusions are true, it must logically follow that the conclusion HAS to be true. If you can loose a premise and it not effect your arguement, either it shouldnt be there, or your arguemnt is inductive not deductive. and in retrospect your argument is inductive so yeah, that was a null point by me.

On March 09 2010 11:10 Durak wrote:
This is extremely unfortunate. I was almost done my reply to both of your posts and I hit mouse 5 by accident (hotkey for back webpage). Remind me to never compose large replies in the TL reply box.

I'm not sure if I want to retype it at the moment. I'll just address the last part that I didn't get to.

You are incorrect. An conclusion may have false premises and still be deductively valid. However, it will not be a strong argument. "Anyone who accepts the premises of a deductively valid argument must, unless they are irrational, accept the conclusion." - Groarke, Leo. Good Reasoning Matters! : a constructive approach to critical thinking. Oxford: Oxford university press, 2008. Page 146.

Also, my argument has both inductive and deductive conclusions.

On March 09 2010 11:10 Durak wrote:


Also, my argument has both inductive and deductive conclusions.

On March 09 2010 03:50 Chill wrote:
If you want to put together a statistical basis to prove that Romanians are no more likely to miss sarcasm than anyone else, by all means go ahead. If it comes back true, I will never post about it again. Until that day, I will have to cite empirical evidence.

On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:
If anything, the OP is going to get less responses from Romanians because they are unhappy with TL.

On March 10 2010 06:14 vhallee wrote:

That's actually the main reason why I stopped posting here and removed my nationality in the profile. I perceived TLnet as a community comprised mostly of intelligent people - however, pushing that "Romanians sarcasm LOL" meme is just sickening - it just sounds like a broken record, babbling about the same thing over and over again. I shouldn't care, because it's the internet, but to me TLnet seems, as I said, like a place full of intelligent people.
If I would go to the TLnet fitness thread and start saying "you're fat eh? you must be American LOL" that would probably be considered a huge offense; calling someone a Romanian here became synonym with 'retarded', but doesn't seem the least bit offensive.
Btw I'm not really butt-hurt. I'm not living in Romania anymore, but the jokes about Romanians at my office are hilarious and I even push them forward cause I enjoy them. This meme, on the other hand, just goes to show that the TLnet is not what I thought of it.
tl;dr: make fun of Romanians = encouraged, make fun of Americans/others = ban.

On March 10 2010 06:14 vhallee wrote:

That's actually the main reason why I stopped posting here and removed my nationality in the profile. I perceived TLnet as a community comprised mostly of intelligent people - however, pushing that "Romanians sarcasm LOL" meme is just sickening - it just sounds like a broken record, babbling about the same thing over and over again. I shouldn't care, because it's the internet, but to me TLnet seems, as I said, like a place full of intelligent people.
If I would go to the TLnet fitness thread and start saying "you're fat eh? you must be American LOL" that would probably be considered a huge offense; calling someone a Romanian here became synonym with 'retarded', but doesn't seem the least bit offensive.
Btw I'm not really butt-hurt. I'm not living in Romania anymore, but the jokes about Romanians at my office are hilarious and I even push them forward cause I enjoy them. This meme, on the other hand, just goes to show that the TLnet is not what I thought of it.
tl;dr: make fun of Romanians = encouraged, make fun of Americans/others = ban.

On March 10 2010 08:06 Chill wrote:

It's about what they've done on TL. Americans = fat may be true but it hasn't been proven to be true of this community. Romanians = can't understand sarcasm happens every time Romania is referenced lol.

On March 10 2010 08:06 Chill wrote:

It's about what they've done on TL. Americans = fat may be true but it hasn't been proven to be true of this community. Romanians = can't understand sarcasm happens every time Romania is referenced lol.

On March 10 2010 09:11 FragKrag wrote:
We only need one, but we get many more every time. So the meme lives.