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On March 10 2010 05:59 FragKrag wrote:
Why would you compare a graphics card unless you are actually buying it or recommending somebody to buy it?
4870 > GTX 260
4870X2 ~ GTX 285
4890 ~ GTX 275
They were very competitive.
ATi is currently moving towards a new platform as Nvidia did with the 4xx series.
4870 is actually slightly below or equal to GTX 260.
And 4870X2 is definitely >>> GTX 285.
Can't wait until GTX 480 release in a few weeks tho :> It probably won't rape, but it should provide competition.
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Why would I compare compare graphics cards if I wasn't going to buy a graphics card? Hmm. I could list many different reasons, such as maybe I care about benchmarks of different graphics cards? Or maybe I hold stocks in one of the companies and care on how they perform? Don't be naive and broaden your thinking a bit more.
Also. You guys are comparing the 4870x2 to the GTX285. However, it should be compared to the GTX295 since they are both dual GPUs. Please compare graphics cards in their appropriate categories. Stop bein so narrow minded in your arguments. Of course the technology is going to advance, and comparing a new card with an old card makes no sense. Compare the 5000 series cards with the 400 series cards when they arrive. And then make your arguments. But before then, please stop acting like you know what you are talking about. I've posted hard facts showing Nvidia outperforming ATi in the same generation between different categories of graphics cards. So what do you do? You take the new card and put it up against an older card. Of course the newer card will look and play better. IT IS NEWER. Get that through your head please.
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the GTX 285 was a typo
Hm I was thinking the GTX 260 192 core which paled in comparison to the HD 4870. The GTX 260 216 core was > the 4870 for a bit when it came out though, so yeah mistake on my part.
However, at the moment the HD 4870 > GTX 260 216 core because ATi drivers are finally catching up!
yooniball, if you are in the graphics card market for stocks, sure, maybe. However, then it's not like announced graphics that are delayed 6 months help your stock!
You're the one being narrow minded. You are only comparing between single generations, which is absurd. Why should I narrow my mind to only single generation comparisons when there are Nvidia 8 series, Nvidia 9 series, Nvidia 2 series, ATi 4000 series, and ATi 5000 series on the market? How does that even make sense?
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If I compare the benchmarks of two different generations of graphics cards, that comparison is pointless. Of course the newer cards will perform better. I think you have the mindset of a buyer and I have the mindset of someone who is just analyzing GPU performance in general (Seeing that you mention comparing all the different cards). If you compare across generations of graphics cards, that makes absolutely no sense. It's like saying the 5000 series is better than the 8 series Nvidia cards (Of course it is). I am comparing single generation in order to establish my point that one company provides better products than the other (in this I believe Nvidia provides more quality than ATi). For example, let's look at driver support. It takes a couple of months for ATi to allow customer to fully utilize their products. On the other hand, Nvidia releases drivers on the day new games come out in order to maximize the performance of their card for the games. In regards to highest FPS, Nvidia has gained higher FPS most of the time in benchmarks with their counterpart in the same generation of ATI cards. And sure, you may blame this on lack of driver support from ATi. But that lack of support is what makes ATi compete worse, thus making their product not as good.
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Clearly you haven't been following the latest benchmarks then. I personally think everybody has the mindset of the buyer except for the person who has the money to buy whatever he wants, and that there is no point in analyzing raw performance of the graphics cards without first looking at the pricing of the card itself. But I look at it from a 'buyer' point of view because that is what we do with GPUs, we BUY them, not objectively marvel at what they can do.
ATi has been about price/performance in the 4000 and 5000 series cards. ATi prices their cards competitively because they may perform a bit worse. It doesn't matter if one company provides 'better' cards than the other if the other company takes a whole half of a year to actually get those 'better' cards out! By that time, it probably isn't reasonable to compare the 5000 series against the 4xx series because Nvidia has had an extra 6 months to make their card!
The HD 4870 was performing under the GTX 260 until the release of ATi drivers, which are now released very often. Catalyst 10.3 is said to come out this month, and Catalyst 10.2 came out last month. Whereas now you see Nvidia drivers blowing up Nvidia cards!
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Oh. So it doesn't matter any more which company is better? I'm sorry but Nvidia competes pretty damn well with ATi in gaming and blows ATi out of the fucking water with rendering and stuff like folding.
And Nvidia drivers blowing up Nvidia cards? I heard about the whole heat issue due to fan control but that was immediately taken care of by Nvidia by a recall of their drivers. Plus, it gave me no problems personally. And you know what? ATI doesn't even exist anymore, while Nvidia is still competing.
ATI churns out cards just to make their cards "slightly" better than their past cards. While Nvidia is actually putting research into stuff like tesselation technology, rendering, folding, and more to make their cards more worthwhile. In the end, we will see who is better. Nvidia or ATI. Just wait a few weeks for the new Nvidia cards. You'll see the difference.
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Better is completely subjective. I'll agree Nvidia is the 'better' company, but hey, if they were great, maybe the GTX 4xx series would be shipped now! Nvidia GPUs are indeed generally better at rendering, and from the DX11 benchmarks, they look like amazing GPUs for DX11 (and they DAMN WELL SHOULD BE).
ATI is still the reserve name for the graphics yooniball 
You can only say that now because of Fermi! Nvidia loves to churn out old chips. G80 chip sound familiar? We've seen it like 4 different times all under different names! At least ATi makes large improvements on the performance and power consumption!
Of course we'll see a difference. Nvidia has had 6 fucking months to make those cards. If we don't see a difference it will be the hugest disappointment in the GPU market in a long time. If Nvidia had announced something in the past 3 months before CeBIT, maybe it would be a bit better, but they chose to leave every single customer in complete dark (and so far I think most of their partners are still in the dark). While I do believe it is beneficial for Nvidia to keep technical specs away from ATI, we heard nothing from Nvidia at all.
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What do you mean by ATI being the reserve name for graphics?
And there will be a noticeable difference for the 4xx series graphics cards. I can guarantee you that. Nvidia would not be wasting this much time just to release a renamed card. It will probably change GPUs in general like PhysX and SLI.
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ATI was bought by AMD, but ATI is still the name reserved for AMD gpus!
I can see that there will be a definite difference from Nvidia's benchmarks, but they are all synthetic, so I want to see how these games fare in real world machines!
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On March 10 2010 13:41 yooniball wrote:
What do you mean by ATI being the reserve name for graphics?
And there will be a noticeable difference for the 4xx series graphics cards. I can guarantee you that. Nvidia would not be wasting this much time just to release a renamed card. It will probably change GPUs in general like PhysX and SLI.
And if the fermi cards cost $600 then I'm still buying an ATI card regardless of how it bench marks
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Obviously one of the fermi cards is gonna cost up there, and if what I see from the GTX 480 is true, it should be a decent buy at $550-600.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the GTX 460/450 is priced, because that seems like it would be in my price range. (Maybe bump those fuckin growing 5850 and 5830 prices!!!). If a Nvidia card comes out at around $250-$300 I'll bite if its performance is up to par.
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let's hope so
then again, i'm running SC2 on ultra anyways, so i don't care THAT much for the immediate future
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