EPThas anyone had experience with this? I know another friend of mine at my school was using limewire, and got an email warning and that was it.
Caught using Bittorrent in school
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SkylineSC
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has anyone had experience with this? I know another friend of mine at my school was using limewire, and got an email warning and that was it. | ||
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horang3
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CharlieMurphy
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On February 05 2010 02:31 horang3 wrote: By school do you mean high school or college? pretty sure this would only even matter if it was a college dorm my advice is to tell her to tell them that she was unaware of illegal activity and perhaps someone else has accessed her computer, blah blah. EVERYONE has illegal shit on their comp in one shape or form (the way laws are now it's retarded, internet laws are in a state of flux and decision right now and probably won't be the same in 5-10 years) the way they can know, is that companies flag certain names of things and then the ISP/wifi controllers just scan through everything thats comes in and goes out. Usually its brand new shit that MPAA or RIAA thinks they are losing money on the initial release of. So stay away from new and popular stuff. (i got a letter from charter isp when moon 2009 was DL/UL'd and it was when the movie was brand spanking new on DVD) | ||
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SkylineSC
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it makes mad that they picked her of all people. I mean, they can't monitor these things, so they have to selective check people's download history right? I can't imagine they actually have a record of all the illegal download because then half of the college students would not have internet. | ||
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joohyunee
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Grobyc
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I think it's BS that the school even gives a crap. It's not like anything is going to happen to them... | ||
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iNcontroL
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Mostly. | ||
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CommanderFluffy
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On February 05 2010 02:43 CommanderFluffy wrote: stick to private trackers and use peerguardian if you're still nervous are private trackers like ones on demonoid?? whats the difference and how do I know? | ||
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Zoler
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Broodie
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AssuredVacancy
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On February 05 2010 02:51 Zoler wrote: Isn't America supposed to be free? :S Yeah man, I don't get why they keep arresting me when I take stuff from my local grocery store without paying. ISN'T IT FREE!? | ||
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datscilly
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lac29
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cgrinker
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Bit Torrent is a bad way to go as far as stealing shit. I think everyone got spoiled that we were able to get away with it for so long. Look into Rapidshare/Megaupload communities to get what you need. Oh btw don't say "absolutely needed," because unless it was the software for her dialysis machine there is an open source program that is better than what she wanted. Maybe she really needed to play Mass Effect. | ||
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iNcontroL
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On February 05 2010 03:05 AssuredVacancy wrote: Yeah man, I don't get why they keep arresting me when I take stuff from my local grocery store without paying. ISN'T IT FREE!? america false advertised. die in flaming tower fat hamburger! | ||
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Tex
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On February 05 2010 02:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote: They mostly come in the night. Mostly. <3 | ||
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Neivler
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XinRan
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ProoM
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mmp
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On February 05 2010 02:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote: They mostly come in the night. Mostly. "They mostly come at night. Mostly." Get the quote right or die in a fire. | ||
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DivinO
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On February 05 2010 03:43 XinRan wrote: My school actually logs every single website you've been to. They know which website you've accessed, when you've accessed it, and how much data was transferred. Good luck doing any meaningful downloading if your school has a similar policy. Thankfully my school doesn't do that. Otherwise TeamLiquid and I would be apart during school. And that would hurt. | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On February 05 2010 02:19 BabyRhino wrote: I have no idea how schools know if you use bittorrent unless they actually look into it ... how can the school know? It's actually much more trivial than you think. Publishing companies (or a company they hire) run a torrent client. Download their copyrighted works, and log all of the other peer's IP's. Since your school is essentially an ISP they hold IP's in a certain range, if your on that peer list then they just match your IP to your school address range and send a DMCA warning to your school asking them to take action. The school then references the IP to either a room number or an authenticated account (at my school you have to log in to use the network). They send an email and done. | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
My school (RIT) has also been cracking down, I think they mostly go after people who are sharing though. The problem is with bitorrent, it is impossible NOT to share. Its part of the protocol. As a University IT employee and a extensive bittorrent/file sharing user, I bring answers. The amount of network monitoring colleges do varies a ton. Some schools monitor and throttle (or restrict) specific types of traffic (bittorrent, limewire, etc), some just monitor bandwidth (how much you download/upload) and some don't really monitor anything. There are 2 possible ways you can get caught, by your school or by a copyright organization. If your school monitors bittorrent or traffic, you may get caught by your university. If you live in the United States, the other method of being caught is through a DMCA notice (Digital Millenium Copyright Act). In this case, a copyright holder, such as HBO, MPAA, RIAA, etc, catch you using bittorrent. If you live in the US, you can (for the most part, this method isn't perfect) avoid these DMCA notices by sticking to private bittorent trackers. Private trackers are websites which require accounts to download files. Often you can only get an account through being invited by a current member of the site. These sites are not any more legal than public ones (such as the pirate bay, mininova, etc) but you are far less likely to recieve a DMCA notice. If your university monitors bandwidth, you can avoid raising suspicion by not downloading a lot (how much a lot is depends on the university). Call your university IT and just ask is there are any bandwidth restrictions in place. If your university monitors or throttles bittorrent or other protocols, the solution is a little more tricky. You can rent a seedbox. Seedboxes are severs (usually located in europe) which are on very fast internet connections and are usually used to download and share files over bittorrent. These do cost money and can be somewhat expensive. A major downside to seedboxes is once the files are done downloading to the seedbox, you have to transfer them to your personal computer. Another way to avoid a university's annoying practices is run your internet traffic through a VPN. You can more details here: http://filesharefreak.com/2008/10/16/anonymous-bittorrent-through-a-vpn-the-speed-tests/ If anyone has specific questions I'll do my best to answer them. Hope that helps! ninjaedit: My school is very lax about network management. I did about 60 TB of traffic my freshman year over bittorrent. | ||
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Monoxide
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AraqirG
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nttea
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On February 05 2010 03:05 AssuredVacancy wrote: Yeah man, I don't get why they keep arresting me when I take stuff from my local grocery store without paying. ISN'T IT FREE!? don't you think you should be able to copy stuff you see in the grocery store for free though? like ooh! apples *copy*. | ||
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leejas
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Lokomis
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- Schools can and do monitor their network usage. Bittorrent offers encryption; Use it. - While using encryption they can not identify whether or not files being downloaded are copywritten or unlicensed. For all they know you are using the BitTorrent protocol to download Free or Open Source Software. If that is truly the case then nothing illegal has occurred and you have a case against the school's claims. - In regards to software that isn't free and/or requires a license, most colleges offer a range of Microsoft software (Win7 Pro, Sharepoint, Visual Studio.net, SQL Server and so on) via the MSDNAA. If she required any Microsoft product for use in class(es) she should have checked with the school to see what is offered. - Contrary to what most people believe you don't get caught up as easily for downloading files, you get in trouble for sharing them. The nature of BitTorrent has you steadily uploading back to peers as you download from them. You can disable your BitTorrent client from uploading (sharing) but this will kill your ratio and get you banned from most trackers once your ratio becomes too poor. Copyright organizations are going after downloaders but they are mostly concerned with catching the big data-hoarders that are sharing copywritten content back out to the public. On February 05 2010 08:41 Loser777 wrote: Hmm, highschooler here, does tor work in college (albiet slow) for filesharing? Do NOT use Tor for BitTorrent. At least not for the actual transfer of data. Tor already operates in manner similar to BitTorrent and if users began funneling their downloads through the Tor network, Tor would screech to a halt from such a heavy toll being exacted upon it. You can set up your BitTorrent client to tunnel Tracker communication through Tor. This is not the same thing as tunneling the data through it but it does hide your identity/communication with the Trackers themselves. | ||
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iNcontroL
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On February 05 2010 04:48 mmp wrote: "They mostly come at night. Mostly." Get the quote right or die in a fire. I'm get it right whilst throwing you into a fire sir. BAM | ||
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lac29
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enzym
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On February 05 2010 03:05 AssuredVacancy wrote: Yeah man, I don't get why they keep arresting me when I take stuff from my local grocery store without paying. ISN'T IT FREE!? that comparison doesnt work. why? because you can copy files without taking anything away from someone. nobody is losing anything. besides, people are allowed to market their stuff, but there is no guarantee that others also buy it. "intellectual property" is major bs and also one of the major things that keep progress from taking full effect in being useful and solving problems. because some people... just have to make money no matter the cost. long live the stone age human mentality. | ||
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Achromic
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AraqirG
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On February 05 2010 09:44 Lokomis wrote: Haven't looked through all the replies to see if this has been covered but here we go: - While using encryption they can not identify whether or not files being downloaded are copywritten or unlicensed. For all they know you are using the BitTorrent protocol to download Free or Open Source Software. If that is truly the case then nothing illegal has occurred and you have a case against the school's claims. You can disable your BitTorrent client from uploading (sharing) but this will kill your ratio and get you banned from most trackers once your ratio becomes too poor. Copyright organizations are going after downloaders but they are mostly concerned with catching the big data-hoarders that are sharing copywritten content back out to the public. While encryption does help, I do believe that some university now have devices to inspect encrypted bittorrent headers (and can thus see the file names of what you are downloading), although to be honest, I'm not 100% positive. As far as disabling uploading, that isn't possible. Some clients will allow you to cap uploading to very slow speeds (1 KB/s) but it is IMPOSSIBLE to disable sharing completely. From a legal standpoint, you are just as guilty for uploading at 1 KB/s is just as you would be at 1000KB/s. On February 05 2010 07:22 meeple wrote: Look at the rapidshare websites... much better and faster than torrenting This isn't necessarily true at all. Most private trackers will allow you to hit your maximum download rate very quickly (whether that be 1MB/s (megabyte!) or 11 MB/s). Public trackers (any site you can download from without logging in) are generally very slow. More ninjaedits: On February 05 2010 11:33 enzym wrote:[ that comparison doesnt work. why? because you can copy files without taking anything away from someone. nobody is losing anything. besides, people are allowed to market their stuff, but there is no guarantee that others also buy it. "intellectual property" is major bs and also one of the major things that keep progress from taking full effect in being useful and solving problems. because some people... just have to make money no matter the cost. long live the stone age human mentality. While the "stealing in real life" analogy is stupid intellectual property isn't useless. IP laws are very good at encouraging creativity (in music, movies, science, etc). Copyright is important but copyright isn't a moral right. It is granted by the government as a economic incentive to encourage and reward creative works. The issue with copyright the laws go FAR beyond rewarding creativity. Copyright terms of 10 years on movies or music would be plenty to ensure people continued to create works. The life of the author + 70years is completely outrageous. Simlarly, restrictions on fair use and legal threats are also extremely unfair. | ||
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JeeJee
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On February 05 2010 11:46 AraqirG wrote: This isn't necessarily true at all. Most private trackers will allow you to hit your maximum download rate very quickly (whether that be 1MB/s (megabyte!) or 11 MB/s). Public trackers (any site you can download from without logging in) are generally very slow. true but you don't have to upload anything  which is usually a big plus if you're bandwidth constrained as you have to keep a good ratio for many private trackersand at least in my experience, i can find more stuff faster on the forums i frequent (i.e. rapidshare links) than the torrent search engines (but to be fair i haven't torrented anything for years, maybe there's like a google-equivalent for torrents out there now.. but before it was kind of a crapshoot) | ||
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