EPTThis is going to be the best final ever. Judging from the first 3 games.
Very sad for Flash. He didn't deserve this. I'm a massive JD fan but I'm still saddened by this.
But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4.
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
This is going to be the best final ever. Judging from the first 3 games. Very sad for Flash. He didn't deserve this. I'm a massive JD fan but I'm still saddened by this. But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4. Out | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
fuck mbc | ||
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losso
Bulgaria158 Posts
the thing im most upset about is that the third game itself was SO GOOD and it just ended for no reason the only good thing about this is that when they finally meet at an OSL final or at least a real MSL final the hype will be twice as big | ||
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
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iMarshall
Norway190 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:42 losso wrote: this did not, by any means, feel like a real final the thing im most upset about is that the third game itself was SO GOOD and it just ended for no reason the only good thing about this is that when they finally meet at an OSL final or at least a real MSL final the hype will be twice as big I agree. I'm happy that Flash seemed happy for the 2nd place and didnt go grumpy like his dad. | ||
KwarK
United States42682 Posts
Completely ruined the finals. The players were disappointed as fuck and when they have no will to play I can't find myself cheering. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
But yeah, the failure really took a lot of momentum out of the whole thing -- Not to mention that garbage seperate studio crap. | ||
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BookTwo
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m4gdelen4
United States416 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:37 magicbullet wrote: I'm gutted. This is going to be the best final ever. Judging from the first 3 games. Very sad for Flash. He didn't deserve this. I'm a massive JD fan but I'm still saddened by this. But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4. Out yeah dude i feel exactly the same. i was so psyched for this match - i thought it was going to be EPIC! im a jaedong fan, and would have been dissappointed and saddened if he lost, but still very happy for Flash because hes my 2nd favorite player. the fucking hour long break after the power outage or whatever was extremely anti-climatic. i went limp dick .... fuck so yeah like minus human - I cannot for the life of me come at peace with this. fuck mbc | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
I'm so frustrated right now. The ads didn't help either. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote: While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD really brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations. He didn't play too well in game 2.... But I agree with what you say. JD's win will be tarnished either way anyway. His BOs these games were really something. His muta control in the first game might've been the best I've seen in a long time. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote: While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations. edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh. Jaedong never showed any management skill. The reason I'm disappointed is because any Zerg with good muta micro could have beaten Flash in games 1 and 4. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
Mmmm well if Flash had made more than zero turrets in his main, maybe it would've gotten to management stages. Agreed on set 4 but like I said that was hardly a legitimate match between them | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Yeah, i love Flash and like/respect JD a lot and i'm really sad of this double robbery - Flash robbed of chances and hope (see how crushed he was before and during set 4.) and JD of potential glorious victory | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
His play was fantastic, no doubt, but it's pretty obvious basically no one wanted him to win like this, least of all himself. Bad call of the referee, I think he should have offered the option of a rematch IF both parties agreed. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
really sucks for both of them, very unsatisfying win for jaedong and a really mentally draining/disappointing loss for flash | ||
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote: While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations. edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh. Yes JD played very well especially in game 3 when his 1 o'clock expo was gone and Flash had a screen worth of MnM and was threatening to destroy the 3 o'clock expansion. Who would have thought JD could defend that? Sadly, I think this will be overlooked and forgotten. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:37 magicbullet wrote: But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4. Out Give him props for games 1 and 3, game 4 was nonsense | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
Turned out to be the worst But I guess even Flash can't stop booth jaedong and kespa in a meele match against him | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
OK, you'll hear a lot of hate from bitter fanboys, so I'd like to set this straight for you. I am not a fan of either, and I was just glad to see the great games I saw tonight. I would suggest you watch all of the games, because they were all good. 1) Match point, JD on right, Flash on left Jaedong abused the map, pure and simple. He went for a 2 hatch muta build against Flash's 1 or 2 (i'm sorry, I don't recall) into tech build. The thing is JD duped him with an extremely early lair, before his second hatch was finished. Flash scouted this of course, but JD waited before he put down the muta harass until he had placed his 3rd at his min only. He then muta harassed the nat, forcing excessive turrets and hitting marines. He felt like he would win then, I'm sure, and went back to hit the main. What he did there is best explained by day[9] in his Flash vs Hyun ep from proleague. Basically the wide area behind the mineral line makes it so marines can't defend scvs from inside the min line and need to congo line behind it. JD rocked defending marines and SCVs, and despite an investment in the midgame with his 3rd hatch at 3rd base, literally won during muta harass. 2) Ultimatum, JD top left, Flash bottom right Flash did 1 rax CC while JD did his counter of that (clearly this is what he decided was how to beat flash), the 3 hatch before pool (off of 2 base of course). He got a huge amount of drones and got mutas kinda late. JD did some muta harass to keep flash at home while building a bunch (like 5 at this point and increasing) sunks to defend against the marine ball that Flash put outside his nat from time to time. JD then grabbed both the 12 and 9 island bases and linked them to his main via nydus. Then he morphed guardians at Flash's nat, and flash decisively killed them with a couple (i think) wraiths and marines. It wasn't a total rape of the guardians, but JD lost a lot in the encounter. He was still comfy I imagine though, seeing as he had 7+ sunks at his nat and 4 base vs 2, 2 of which were nydused islands. Flash then went for a drop at JD's main with 2 dropships. JD had 4 scourge waiting, but Flahs dropped a pair of super clutch dmatrixes and got his marines up there. He then elevatered to the win. 3) Odd-Eye, JD at bottom right, Flash at top left Same openers, so JD was at an econ advantage. He also got a really early evo chamber for the upgrade advantage in the long game. He picked up the right side of the map, having favored econ over any aggression. In fact, he never got lurkers and his mutas were used super late. Flash pushed the top right, which was JD's 3rd, and JD put down 3 sunks there just in time while hodling flash back with muta ling. Flash then waited until the zerg forces were cutting off reinforcements (his troops were positioned outside that key top right base) and then he busted the sunks. JD took it back though before the hatch died. Then skip a little (sorry), and Flash came to the top right. JD had been getting ultras and they were at 4 armor 2 attack with speed by this point. Flash hits the base up there with a huge medic marine ball, and JD tried to break it but failed. Flash then pushed down to 3 and took it out. JD was getting bottom left double gas but it was tense. It's worth noting that Flash's medic micro (getting them in front of zerg melee units) was super key in both of his attacks at the top right. JD gets the surround on Flash's army at 3 and Flash sends his next (having macro'd very well the entire game)force to bottom left. I need to mention that JD had been picking off vessels the whole game btw. So flash hist bottom left after the nydus has finished as well as defiler and consume, so JD put up a strong defense. Flash, being almost mined out placed his min only 3rd CC and basically went all-in off of 9 or so rax at the bottom left. If Flash won the battle, JD would lose. If JD won, he would win. They fought there with decently classy micro (better from flash, but he was in a tight spot anyways after losing his army at 3) for over a minute of constant battle, maybe more like 3. Then Flash was forced back towards his nat and unfinished 3rd base. Then the screen went black because of a power outage and TL went to total hell. It was very clear JD would win, so KeSPA gave him the win instead of a regame. This was a difficult and extremely controversial and apparently flameworthy decision. Flash's team may have, or threatened to just walk out. Flash's dad threw a huge fucking fit for over an hour and had to be forced out of the studio (I don't know if you know what that dude looks like... he wasn't shown tonight, but if you saw OSL finals, but I wouldn't want to fuck with him). Eventually, they got back on track and the 4th game started. 4) fighting spirit. Flash at top right, JD at bottom left. Flash went with the very expected 8 rax (he's been doing that on this map a lot recently), and JD anticipated this and wen 9 pool. People said that Flash was shaken by the craziness in game 3. This is possible, but really the 8 rax vs 9 pool is a wild disadvantage for the Terran. Flash smartly didn't go for the bunker rush, since it would be pwned because of both 9 pool and cross positions, instead opting for a second rax. JD made no mistakes and finished it quickly. He had his sunks up in time having scouted Flash's second rax with a ling that snuck in. From that point it was basically over, and JD just needed muta harass with ling run ins, combined with his big build advantage to secure the title. OK, I just realized I wrote you a novel, but I wanted to tell it how it was. There are so many flaming fanboys right now it's hard to get a real story. I hope you appreciate it, but you really ought to watch the games since they were sincerely quite good. I apologize for the shoddy writing there. I'd like to know what people think about that analysis, like I said. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Was obvious that was gonna happen though ^^ | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:27 7mk wrote: LOL @ 4 out of 5 blogs on frontpage having the title MSL spoiler. Was obvious that was gonna happen though ^^ Yeah Game lag is totally out of place ^_^ | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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