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[q] MTG - Brilliant Ultimatum

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seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
December 06 2009 18:46 GMT
#1
Just a question about Brilliant Ultimatum
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The rules state that "any cards in the chosen pile that you can't play or you choose not to play remain exiled." Does this mean I can't play them later on - If the pile I choose has a counterspell in it, can I wait and use it later?

J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 18:51:49
December 06 2009 18:49 GMT
#2
On December 07 2009 03:46 seppolevne wrote:
Just a question about Brilliant Ultimatum
[image loading]

The rules state that "any cards in the chosen pile that you can't play or you choose not to play remain exiled." Does this mean I can't play them later on - If the pile I choose has a counterspell in it, can I wait and use it later?

All the cards have to get played immediately. The act of playing the cards is part of the resolution of the spell.

This is of course, what makes Brilliant Ultimatum terrible (it's bad in every constructed format, and an extremely late pick in limited) -- the opponent can look at the context of the game, and split a bunch of dead cards into both piles.
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 18:53:43
December 06 2009 18:51 GMT
#3
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=132311
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 18:53:16
December 06 2009 18:52 GMT
#4
EDIT: nm
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 06 2009 19:13 GMT
#5
yeah this card looks like suck unless u have shit that lets you scry some before u play it or something. but even then i think the cost is just way too high
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 06 2009 19:23 GMT
#6
I love that we're all experts on Magic: The Gathering here.
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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 19:28:08
December 06 2009 19:25 GMT
#7
Wow, for that cost that is a really crappy ability. And iirc all most of the ultimatums are crazy good. (like play this spell = you pretty much are going to win now)

http://magiccards.info/query/cards/9913091.html

Yeah, all the other ones are pretty decent, that one just sucks.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
December 06 2009 19:36 GMT
#8
Thanks all!
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 06 2009 19:37 GMT
#9
On December 07 2009 04:25 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Wow, for that cost that is a really crappy ability. And iirc all most of the ultimatums are crazy good. (like play this spell = you pretty much are going to win now)

http://magiccards.info/query/cards/9913091.html

Yeah, all the other ones are pretty decent, that one just sucks.


i think like a million decks were made around cruel ultimatum
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
December 06 2009 19:40 GMT
#10
Yeah, it was pretty much the only deck for a while, at least in standard.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
December 06 2009 19:51 GMT
#11
The only other ultimatum that I can think of that has seen use is Violent, but only just recently. And the deck 'Magical Xmasland' is seen to be pretty hit or miss.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 20:09:40
December 06 2009 19:54 GMT
#12
On December 07 2009 04:51 GogoKodo wrote:
The only other ultimatum that I can think of that has seen use is Violent, but only just recently. And the deck 'Magical Xmasland' is seen to be pretty hit or miss.

Violent, Titanic, and Cruel are all game-winning bombs in limited, so while Titanic and Violent may not be as good in constructed, they're still noteworthy.

Clarion and Brilliant are just awful in every format, though.
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
December 06 2009 20:08 GMT
#13
On December 07 2009 04:23 El.Divino wrote:
I love that we're all experts on Magic: The Gathering here.


Isn't it called "Magic Gather?"
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
December 06 2009 20:18 GMT
#14
On December 07 2009 05:08 Navane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 04:23 El.Divino wrote:
I love that we're all experts on Magic: The Gathering here.


Isn't it called "Magic Gather?"

Not in the U.S.
My strategy is to fork people.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 20:28:55
December 06 2009 20:27 GMT
#15

http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/worlds09/video4
Here's the magic christmasland deck that played 4 violent ultimatums, with 4 cruel ultimatums in the sideboard. Takes guts to bring this to the world championships =D

The other 3 ultimatums are pretty trash though. Maybe some allies deck could break clarion ultimatum?
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 06 2009 20:33 GMT
#16
you have to play them immediately.
if you can't, they are out forever
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Icysoul
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada254 Posts
December 06 2009 20:40 GMT
#17
On December 07 2009 05:18 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 05:08 Navane wrote:
On December 07 2009 04:23 El.Divino wrote:
I love that we're all experts on Magic: The Gathering here.


Isn't it called "Magic Gather?"

Not in the U.S.

i think hes referring to a joke in day9's cast.
akevin
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada120 Posts
December 06 2009 20:42 GMT
#18
Wow, what edition are they on now? I don't think I have any cards past things like 4th Ed., Ice Age, etc. Quit like 10+ years ago.
caldo149
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States469 Posts
December 06 2009 21:00 GMT
#19
yeah it seems that once the card resolves, all the cards are stuck in exile unless you have another card that lets you play them somehow o_o

On a side note, Steel Wall has 4 HP.
Hellions are my homeboys
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 21:36:52
December 06 2009 21:36 GMT
#20
On December 07 2009 05:42 akevin wrote:
Wow, what edition are they on now? I don't think I have any cards past things like 4th Ed., Ice Age, etc. Quit like 10+ years ago.

"Magic 2010"

Which is actually the 11th. Once they got to ten, it seemed like a good idea to stop naming sets increasingly larger numbers.

As a side note, I also quit after ice age. But I came back for Mirrodin (3 years ago now?)...trust me, Magic is a LOT better now than it was.

Also, popularity and attendance at tournaments have been skyrocketing.
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