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Protoss player by heart, C+ ish on iccup.
Good PVP/PVT record and horrible PVZ record.
My ZVT and ZVZ are MAX D+/C-. However my ZVP is like C+.
I play with friends who are also around C/C+, and I can beat the C P players with my noob Z offrace most of the time, I just learned the 12 hatch/overpool openings into 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. All I have to do is scout actively to make sure they play standard or else react accordingly by adding sunks/lings. They can't beat me, unless I majorly fuck up by suiciding like 5 OLs or fail epically at storm dodging.
Other way around in PVZ, I try my hardest and still lose to some D+ friends.
So in conclusion, I put a lot of practice into PVZ, yet suck and lose to D+ players. I learn 1 standard BO for zerg (albeit a very good one, one that makes the game IMBA ZVP), and I start to rape C Protoss players left and right.
ZVP IMBA. QED.
Don't even argue with me.
Erm... typo in title. Irrefutable is what I meant. X_X
On November 30 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote:
i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW.
No.
I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans.
Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win.
That's HOW.
  
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ur bad
My PvZ is like C/C+, and i'm a terran player. (no sarcasm)
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a little brash, but he is basically right
zvp completely imba no questions no doubt about it yeps
stupid zergs flying around everywhere, we've had enough zvz finals already =( =(
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destination is imba. not pvz
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On November 29 2009 14:57 YPang wrote:
ur bad
My PvZ is like C/C+, and i'm a terran player. (no sarcasm)
no it's not lol
more like D+ you stinking liar
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On November 29 2009 14:56 WheelOfTime wrote:
Protoss player by heart, C+ ish on iccup.
Good PVP/PVT record and horrible PVZ record.
My ZVT and ZVZ are MAX D+/C-. However my ZVP is like C+.
I play with friends who are also around C/C+, and I can beat the C P players with my noob Z offrace most of the time, I just learned the 12 hatch/overpool openings into 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. All I have to do is scout actively to make sure they play standard or else react accordingly by adding sunks/lings. They can't beat me, unless I majorly fuck up by suiciding like 5 OLs or fail epically at storm dodging.
Other way around in PVZ, I try my hardest and still lose to some D+ friends.
So in conclusion, I put a lot of practice into PVZ, yet suck and lose to D+ players. I learn 1 standard BO for zerg (albeit a very good one, one that makes the game IMBA ZVP), and I start to rape C Protoss players left and right.
ZVP IMBA. QED.
Don't even argue with me.
Erm... typo in title. Irrefutable is what I meant. X_X
Or...y'know...thats just the way it is?
My PvT and PvZ are both WAY above my PvP atm...
PvP RIDICULOUS IMBA D: <
but seriously the thing that causes the imbalance at the highest levels wouldnt apply to C level games probably, its just a coincidence.
On November 29 2009 14:57 YPang wrote:
ur bad
My PvZ is like C/C+, and i'm a terran player. (no sarcasm)
My TvT beat FBH (no sarcasm)
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My PvZ is prob around C level, PvT C- level, PvP barley scrapes C-. I stopped playing PvP cuz it so gay and swapped to ZvP cuz its so ez :D
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Pvt PvZ PvZ imba mutalisks fucking zerg protoss PvZ C/C+ shitty ZvP fuck
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INFUTABLE ISN'T A WORD!!!!
Edit: Didn't see you edit...
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holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records
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Reavers are the solution to your woes, seriously.
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On November 29 2009 15:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
Reavers are the solution to your woes, seriously.
if they dont messing around everything with they ai yes they are a truly solution. a powered reaver can eat a larva with 1 hit. what more you want  P
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On November 29 2009 15:08 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 14:57 YPang wrote:
ur bad
My PvZ is like C/C+, and i'm a terran player. (no sarcasm) no it's not lol more like D+ you stinking liar
Damn, called out.
Anyway to the OP, ZvP is not imba... try learning a timing push that messes them up before they get their 5 hatches pumping. Obviously you are spending too much time on zvp and not training enough time pvz. And if you are C+ zvp you should know when your 5hatch is weak for a counter attack and then apply that to your pvz. Just because you are good at zvp and not pvz doesn't make the mu imba. Look at the pros. Learn a timing attack.
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On November 29 2009 15:09 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 14:56 WheelOfTime wrote:
Protoss player by heart, C+ ish on iccup.
Good PVP/PVT record and horrible PVZ record.
My ZVT and ZVZ are MAX D+/C-. However my ZVP is like C+.
I play with friends who are also around C/C+, and I can beat the C P players with my noob Z offrace most of the time, I just learned the 12 hatch/overpool openings into 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. All I have to do is scout actively to make sure they play standard or else react accordingly by adding sunks/lings. They can't beat me, unless I majorly fuck up by suiciding like 5 OLs or fail epically at storm dodging.
Other way around in PVZ, I try my hardest and still lose to some D+ friends.
So in conclusion, I put a lot of practice into PVZ, yet suck and lose to D+ players. I learn 1 standard BO for zerg (albeit a very good one, one that makes the game IMBA ZVP), and I start to rape C Protoss players left and right.
ZVP IMBA. QED.
Don't even argue with me.
Erm... typo in title. Irrefutable is what I meant. X_X Or...y'know...thats just the way it is? My PvT and PvZ are both WAY above my PvP atm... PvP RIDICULOUS IMBA D: < but seriously the thing that causes the imbalance at the highest levels wouldnt apply to C level games probably, its just a coincidence. Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 14:57 YPang wrote:
ur bad
My PvZ is like C/C+, and i'm a terran player. (no sarcasm) My TvT beat FBH (no sarcasm)
PvP is imba my brother I go like 15%.
We need to start a thread or something.
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On November 29 2009 15:17 blue_arrow wrote:
holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records
Not even close. 1539. (no sarcasm)
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meh, PvZ can be extremely frustrating sometimes but your "reason" is just a personal statement of your own skill levels in various match-ups and that's a pretty stupid argument.
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you lost because you are bad
i dont see how this makes it an imbalanced matchup
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On November 29 2009 15:11 Crunchums wrote:
"hard" != "imbalanced"
public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace)
{
if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss"))
return "GG";
else
{
return win("1a2a3a");
}
}
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On November 29 2009 15:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 15:17 blue_arrow wrote:
holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records Not even close. 1539. (no sarcasm)
Holy shit T_T! Meeple go for it =O.
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probes beat drones 1v1, pvz imba
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On November 29 2009 15:17 blue_arrow wrote:
holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records
Lol i noticed this too, but I dont think i've seen a single bad/offensive post from him
kudos 
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On November 29 2009 15:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 15:17 blue_arrow wrote:
holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records Not even close. 1539. (no sarcasm)
O.O;
holy shit kona, thats just crazy
and yeah meeple you should try breaking it lol, you'd have to like almost double your post count in a week though
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On November 29 2009 15:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you lost because you are bad
i dont see how this makes it an imbalanced matchup
Prove it.
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On November 29 2009 16:00 Grobyc wrote:public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace) { if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss")) return "GG"; else { return win("1a2a3a"); } }
should be if((opponentrace.equals("zerg")) && (userrace.equals("protoss")))
program is logically correct though :D
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On November 29 2009 16:07 blue_arrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 15:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 29 2009 15:17 blue_arrow wrote:
holy crap meeple i've seen you post so much in every thread today
edit: zomg youve done almost 700posts in the last week, i think you may have broken a couple of kona's records Not even close. 1539. (no sarcasm) O.O; holy shit kona, thats just crazy and yeah meeple you should try breaking it lol, you'd have to like almost double your post count in a week though
just do what kona did, find something to contribute, do that 2 times a day, and in between post 'lol' 'rofl' or other single word replies in EVERY single thread on the entire forum
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On November 29 2009 16:15 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 16:00 Grobyc wrote:On November 29 2009 15:11 Crunchums wrote:
"hard" != "imbalanced" public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace) { if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss")) return "GG"; else { return win("1a2a3a"); } } should be if((opponentrace.equals("zerg")) && (userrace.equals("protoss"))) program is logically correct though :D
it works for me in java the way I currently have it lol
xD
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On November 29 2009 16:27 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 16:15 huameng wrote:On November 29 2009 16:00 Grobyc wrote:On November 29 2009 15:11 Crunchums wrote:
"hard" != "imbalanced" public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace) { if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss")) return "GG"; else { return win("1a2a3a"); } } should be if((opponentrace.equals("zerg")) && (userrace.equals("protoss"))) program is logically correct though :D it works for me in java the way I currently have it lol xD
That is because the Java compiler is very smart. In a general use situation your method will NOT work.
I assume you tested it with something like this:
public class Silly {
public static void main(String[] args)
{
System.out.println(imba("zerg", "protoss"));
}
public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace)
{
if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss"))
return "GG";
else
{
return "1a2a3a";
}
}
}
A really smart compiler could recognise that the comparison doesnt need to actually be made. There is only one possible execution for this program. This program would actually be reduced down just printing the line "GG". If you instead wrote your program in the following way you will see your mistake.
public class Silly {
public static void main(String[] args)
{
Scanner k = new Scanner(System.in);
String x = k.nextLine();
System.out.println(imba(x, "protoss"));
}
public static String imba(String opponentrace, String userrace)
{
if((opponentrace == "zerg") && (userrace == "protoss"))
return "GG";
else
{
return "1a2a3a";
}
}
}
This second program takes in a string from the user and tries to match it to the string "zerg". Since you are comparing objects instead of the contents of those objects you will not get the intended behaviour.
edit: fixed spelling
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On November 29 2009 15:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you lost because you are bad
i dont see how this makes it an imbalanced matchup
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woaht?!
lol my compiler never catches those and I spend long time pulling hair cuz of the dot equals bullshit
In anycase, my zvp is still pretty weak :/
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funny that zvt is the most imba match up- yet you never hear the zergs make endless bitch blogs. man toss ? lol you act more like bitch toss, the lot of you. Protoss needs to die.
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char ImbalanceCheck(string opponentrace)
{
if (opponentrace == "Zerg")
{
return "GG"; /*can you even return a string like that? probably need a pointer but It's 10am and I'm pulling an allnighter, not even going to try.*/
}
return "1a2a3a";
}
To Misrah, Zerg is by far the easiest race to play endgame. It's impossible to not macro perfectly.
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On November 29 2009 18:03 Adeny wrote:char ImbalanceCheck(string opponentrace)
{
if (opponentrace == "Zerg")
{
return "GG"; /*can you even return a string like that? probably need a pointer but It's 10am and I'm pulling an allnighter, not even going to try.*/
}
return "1a2a3a";
}
To Misrah, Zerg is by far the easiest race to play endgame. It's impossible to not macro perfectly.
meh i guess that may be true, but try out zerg mid game.... it's crazy multi task!
Also meeple i have to agree. You are a freaking post whore. You post to the excessive amount..... i think you only got 1k a bit ago.... but now your almost at what.... over 2 k wtf.... I got 1k before you did, and now you are 1k posts ahead of me lol Actually your symbol should be a mutalisk. But because you haven't been here long enough, it will stay a lurker. LURKER!!!! get it? i hope that i am subtle enough?
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I think this blog is the right aproach of improving your pvz instead of seeing how other protosses kill zergs and learn from it. Really.
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yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
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Your friends needs to get better at PvZ.
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On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
imho its cuz of savior? not everyone plays like flash and bisu and their styles/mechanics are more recent
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Forge FE into 2 gate Speedzeals is the way to go.
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On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering.
Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub."
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On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub."
The Protoss' set an example for the zerg.
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i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW.
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On November 30 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote:
i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW.
No.
I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans.
Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win.
That's HOW.
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On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub."
Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm..
Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time.
I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example.
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On November 30 2009 20:50 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote:On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub." Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm.. Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time. I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example.
Oh, like 1a2a3a jokes never existed on teamliquid? Like Zergs never bitched about the Protoss builds a few months back?
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On November 30 2009 20:50 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote:On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote:
yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it.
Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub." Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm.. Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time. I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=65739
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=77421
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87477
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86507
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=83861
After Protoss progamers started figuring out Bisu's playstyle and emulating their builds towards FE to corsairs in mid to late 2007, Zerg players started complaining about how imba Protoss is. This complaining got REALLY intense in late 2008 during the era of the six protoss dragons, but then started dying down with the rise of swarm season.
Protoss used to complain more about the ZvP imbalance pre 2007 and especially in 2006 when Savior was owning Protosses left and right.
Someone's going to complain about some matchup being imbalanced at some point. That's just the way it is. The maps, the progamer trends, and whichever race has the best builds right now will determine which race receives the most complaints. And right now, Zergs are winning a lot, so naturally there are going to be more people complaining that Zerg are imba.
Give it time. If/when Protoss starts dominating again, there're gonna be a LOT of players complaining that Protoss is the imba race.
Oddly enough, I don't see very many people complaining that Terran is imba. I think it largely has to do with the mechanical requirements you need to play Terran compared to the other two races. Even if SK Terran is difficult to deal with, it requires a great deal of APM to pull off and without the sufficient hand speed the strategy just falls apart.
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I tested this out my self personally. Ive played protoss for years and can only obtain B- at the peak.
I have never played zerg or terran competitively, but made a smurf account the previous season and only played zvp/tvz/zvt
got to C with a 60% win rate...(rounded)
interesting notes: my zvp was 80% win rate(rounded)
my tvz was 80% winrate(rounded)
my zvt was 33% winrate(rounded)
in conclusion: zerg has a matchup that is just as hard as pvz.
shut the hell up.
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Links for conclusiveness plz
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On November 30 2009 13:56 WheelOfTime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote:
i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW. No. I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans. Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win. That's HOW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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On November 30 2009 13:56 WheelOfTime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote:
i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW. No. I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans. Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win. That's HOW.
So, zvp is by far my worst mu, does that prove that zvp is imbalanced? Probably not, more that I'm just better at the other mu's. It's just something that'll happen when playing sc, for some reason, you'll be better at some mu's, and be worse and others, blaming it on mu balance is ridiculous. And saying "1a2a3a hydras for the win" completely nullifies everything with reason you've said...
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Same story for me. My PvT and PvP are constantly over 70/80% winrate by the time I reach C-. My PvZ winrate is usually 0 or below 20.
My ZvAnything sucks dick. My ZvP is almost as consistent as my PvP. WTF.
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