EPTSimple Infutable Reason Why ZVP is IMBALANCED - Page 3
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Tom Phoenix
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sl
Canada239 Posts
On November 29 2009 21:41 7mk wrote: yea every race has its weak match up I honestly feel like Z do by far the least bitching about it. Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub." | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote: Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub." The Protoss' set an example for the zerg. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
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WheelOfTime
Canada331 Posts
On November 30 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote: i don't see any reason, i just see you telling us that you can beat your opponents, but you don't say HOW. No. I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans. Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win. That's HOW. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On November 30 2009 05:56 sl wrote: Really? That's not what I experienced back when PvZ was "imba" a few months ago while laddering. Random zergs: "Zomg, 1a2a3a, f'in nub." Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm.. Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time. I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example. | ||
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sl
Canada239 Posts
On November 30 2009 20:50 7mk wrote: Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm.. Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time. I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example. Oh, like 1a2a3a jokes never existed on teamliquid? Like Zergs never bitched about the Protoss builds a few months back? | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On November 30 2009 20:50 7mk wrote: Oh wow, random people on iccup were bm.. Random people on iccup, that's the same group of people that insult you and call you a maphacker only because you beat them, same group of people that says gg but then doesnt leave and goes and builds pylons on the map only to waste your time. I was referring more to people worth giving a shit about, people on TL for example. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=65739 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=77421 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87477 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86507 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=83861 After Protoss progamers started figuring out Bisu's playstyle and emulating their builds towards FE to corsairs in mid to late 2007, Zerg players started complaining about how imba Protoss is. This complaining got REALLY intense in late 2008 during the era of the six protoss dragons, but then started dying down with the rise of swarm season. Protoss used to complain more about the ZvP imbalance pre 2007 and especially in 2006 when Savior was owning Protosses left and right. Someone's going to complain about some matchup being imbalanced at some point. That's just the way it is. The maps, the progamer trends, and whichever race has the best builds right now will determine which race receives the most complaints. And right now, Zergs are winning a lot, so naturally there are going to be more people complaining that Zerg are imba. Give it time. If/when Protoss starts dominating again, there're gonna be a LOT of players complaining that Protoss is the imba race. Oddly enough, I don't see very many people complaining that Terran is imba. I think it largely has to do with the mechanical requirements you need to play Terran compared to the other two races. Even if SK Terran is difficult to deal with, it requires a great deal of APM to pull off and without the sufficient hand speed the strategy just falls apart. | ||
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inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
I have never played zerg or terran competitively, but made a smurf account the previous season and only played zvp/tvz/zvt got to C with a 60% win rate...(rounded) interesting notes: my zvp was 80% win rate(rounded) my tvz was 80% winrate(rounded) my zvt was 33% winrate(rounded) in conclusion: zerg has a matchup that is just as hard as pvz. shut the hell up. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 30 2009 13:56 WheelOfTime wrote: No. I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans. Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win. That's HOW. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies | ||
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Papvin
Denmark610 Posts
On November 30 2009 13:56 WheelOfTime wrote: No. I'm saying I've been playing PVZ for years, constantly TRYING to improve i.e. watching pro vods, practicing BOs in singleplayer, dissecting loss replays etc. Yet I suck hard and lose to D+ zergs while I beat C+ protosses and terrans. Yet I've been practicing and playing a zerg BO for about 2 months, and somehow I can defeat C+ protosses with it. 1a2a3a hydras for the win. That's HOW. So, zvp is by far my worst mu, does that prove that zvp is imbalanced? Probably not, more that I'm just better at the other mu's. It's just something that'll happen when playing sc, for some reason, you'll be better at some mu's, and be worse and others, blaming it on mu balance is ridiculous. And saying "1a2a3a hydras for the win" completely nullifies everything with reason you've said... | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
My ZvAnything sucks dick. My ZvP is almost as consistent as my PvP. WTF. | ||
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