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Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
October 06 2009 23:40 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

Well today I got in a car accident. To sum it up quickly, road conditions were shitty(rainy, etc) and when traffic slowed in front of me (not at an intersection or anything), I was unable to stop my vehicle in time. Luckily everyone else was alright, but my car was totalled.

Anyways, the ticket I received, the officer only wrote an abbreviation of what it actually is. What he wrote was "FTSWACDA" which he told me meant Failure To Stop ... something I forgot.

So first question, does anyone know what that stands for? If it helps he wrote 96.246 as the code or whatever. Michigan, USA if that would help you.

Also he told me if I go to court and present my case its possible the judge will lower the charge. Obviously this seems like a good idea, but does anyone have any possible strategies or arguments that the judge is more likely to lower the sentence after hearing.


Thanks for reading this guys and if you have any advice or anything I'm more than grateful for it. I'm still really shook up as it only happened like 2 hours ago and I don't really know whats the next step.



*****
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24809 Posts
October 06 2009 23:47 GMT
#2
Did the cop witness the accident? Normally you don't get a ticket for being in an accident.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
October 06 2009 23:52 GMT
#3
No, but the police were called after.
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
October 06 2009 23:52 GMT
#4
On October 07 2009 08:47 micronesia wrote:
Did the cop witness the accident? Normally you don't get a ticket for being in an accident.

Actually normally you do get a ticket. Usually when a report is filed the police officer generally gives a ticket to the person deemed at fault. As for the OP's situation he would probably be given a ticket for failure to stop because of driving too close.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24809 Posts
October 07 2009 00:17 GMT
#5
On October 07 2009 08:52 kidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2009 08:47 micronesia wrote:
Did the cop witness the accident? Normally you don't get a ticket for being in an accident.

Actually normally you do get a ticket. Usually when a report is filed the police officer generally gives a ticket to the person deemed at fault. As for the OP's situation he would probably be given a ticket for failure to stop because of driving too close.

Maybe that's so... strange I haven't heard about that before. Then again I don't have much experience being at fault in accidents XD
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Monstah-_-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
249 Posts
October 07 2009 00:37 GMT
#6
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=102833
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 07 2009 00:59 GMT
#7
I don't have any legal advice but I'm glad you're okay
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
October 07 2009 01:44 GMT
#8
Damn lot of car accidents recently on TL boards in the past couple of weekss (including me T_T)
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 07 2009 02:21 GMT
#9
On October 07 2009 10:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Damn lot of car accidents recently on TL boards in the past couple of weekss (including me T_T)



Are you ok?
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 02:47:06
October 07 2009 02:45 GMT
#10
Found something that might help but not enough time to look through it myself.
Michigan's disposition codes. Also, was this your first time getting a ticket or a car accident? How old are you? What's your driving record like? If it's your first time for both getting a ticket or a car accident and you're a few years older than the driving age, you should get the ticket waived as it is your first time.

On a similar ticket note: If you get a ticket taken off your record, does it still show up on your record as getting waived?
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
October 07 2009 04:10 GMT
#11
Hey thanks I'll check out that list of disposition codes.

I'm 2 days short of my 20th birthday. It's my first accident, I've had speeding ticket when I was 16 or 17.
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5225 Posts
October 07 2009 04:30 GMT
#12
You probably have a good shot at getting the ticket waived or reduced significantly. I had gotten my second speeding ticket about 2 years after my first and it was slashed by about 2/3. I'd protest the ticket - you have nothing to lose except more of your own money. Good luck!
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
October 07 2009 14:16 GMT
#13
If your state has is a no-fault state for rear end collisions, that might impact it. This shit varies state by state though sooooo
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 14:29:05
October 07 2009 14:28 GMT
#14
Did you and the person you crashed into call your respective insurance companies and inform them of the accident? You should do that asap if you feel like you're in a sound state of mind.

Worry about the ticket later tbh, it's not as significant atm.

Not sure how you could really argue for your case, since you're at fault. Maybe you could argue for underestimating bad road conditions. But whatever you do, don't lie.

Both the times i was in an accident we didnt call the caps tho, so im not sure.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
October 07 2009 23:00 GMT
#15
On October 07 2009 11:21 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2009 10:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Damn lot of car accidents recently on TL boards in the past couple of weekss (including me T_T)



Are you ok?


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=102437
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
October 07 2009 23:55 GMT
#16
damn thats a shitty birthday present.

Well on my brothers birthday, my car got rapped by a 15yr girl with out a license (last june).

GL with your case though. hopefully everything turns out all right
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
October 08 2009 00:12 GMT
#17
happy birthday!
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
October 08 2009 00:23 GMT
#18
in texas if you rear-end someone its automatically your fault(rain or shine). Let's hope your insurance rates dont go up!
ya had ya shot kid!
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