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[Discussion] The Roots of Morality - Page 2

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Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
September 04 2009 02:15 GMT
#21
These medical terms are getting more complex every single day >.>

Anyway, I believe in nurture over nature. Yes something you cant change, but those things are only bot 1% of your personality. This kind of view may also stem from my belief that humans are all one race, and hence the word racism in my opinion should mean someone who thinks their ethnicity is a race. Also, new borns are like empty boxes, and its up to the parents/caregivers for what to put in it (such as your morals, your initial beliefs, your manners, etc.) If I had bad parents, then I woul dhave probably gotten STD's by the age of 15.
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
September 04 2009 02:37 GMT
#22
On September 04 2009 11:15 Sharp-eYe wrote:
These medical terms are getting more complex every single day >.>

Anyway, I believe in nurture over nature. Yes something you cant change, but those things are only bot 1% of your personality. This kind of view may also stem from my belief that humans are all one race, and hence the word racism in my opinion should mean someone who thinks their ethnicity is a race. Also, new borns are like empty boxes, and its up to the parents/caregivers for what to put in it (such as your morals, your initial beliefs, your manners, etc.) If I had bad parents, then I woul dhave probably gotten STD's by the age of 15.

Every "empty box" has unique set of genes and i believe it's far from just 1% of personality and behavior, unless it's compared to an identical twin. As for belief of total equality, it's not correct, because people did not evolve at identical pace and in identical direction all around the world, scientifically proven. But i won't go deep into that, it's taboo talk in your culture.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 03:16:49
September 04 2009 03:13 GMT
#23
On September 04 2009 11:06 Magic84 wrote:
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On September 04 2009 10:52 Jibba wrote:
It almost sounds like you're arguing that intelligent people are more moral, which I think is totally bogus.

Actually i think intelligent people tend to be less influenced by society and have more freedom and choice in their morals.

The first problem in this is that you haven't defined intelligent. Physicists? Economists? Teachers? Second, I don't know that being intelligent (whichever definition you choose) translates to having more freedom or choice, or that even having a better understanding enables you to act differently in moral situations. And again, back to the original post, what is moral?
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 04 2009 03:16 GMT
#24
moral = possessing values

immoral = useless term

amoral = having little or no values.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 04 2009 03:23 GMT
#25
On September 04 2009 12:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
moral = possessing values

immoral = useless term

amoral = having little or no values.
Ok, so possessing your own values. I suppose that would be more introspective (not intelligent) people, but can you actually choose them? I think they continue to be given by societal influences. And why is having your own better than sharing someone else's?
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 04 2009 03:31 GMT
#26
It's not, I never said it was. It has something to do with this idiotic notion that philosophy = better rofl. Just like how in the Brood thread people were talking about how having material goods define your life is worse than figuring out stuff for yourself. I'm not being sarcastic at all, it's ridiculous to think you can transcend the social reality which influences and makes up what you are just because you think harder than the rest or some bs. Some philosophers realize this, some don't. Nietzsche even admits it would take way more than one lifetime or something like that to unravel a man.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 04 2009 03:45 GMT
#27
On September 04 2009 12:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
it's ridiculous to think you can transcend the social reality which influences and makes up what you are just because you think harder than the rest or some bs. Some philosophers realize this, some don't.

Yeah, I'm in complete agreement.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 04 2009 04:40 GMT
#28
Although you can debate if people like De Sade, Artaud, etc who devoted their lives to transcending themselves have actually done anything. And the value of their work, etc. Still for practical purposes, if your friend thinks his values are better than someone elses because he saw fight club you should hit him.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
September 04 2009 04:50 GMT
#29
On September 04 2009 13:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Although you can debate if people like De Sade, Artaud, etc who devoted their lives to transcending themselves have actually done anything. And the value of their work, etc. Still for practical purposes, if your friend thinks his values are better than someone elses because he saw fight club you should hit him.

You can absolutely have enough power to start adjusting your own values and beliefs more efficiently than society does it to you if you have thinking and analytical mind and you don't need to watch fight club, first of all because it a movie=lie and opinion, second of all it's again a social influence. At least minorly, just to realize what values fit better to your character and mind, to human nature and what are less necessary/made-up/detrimental to your self-satisfaction, just so you lie to yourself less, it can be important, morals aren't ultimately set in stone once you accepted them. I don't say that you can fully get away from what you have been taught, programmed in childhood though or ultimately from every other influence.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 04 2009 04:59 GMT
#30
how can you adjust values/beliefs without social influence? Everything you listen, see, read, speak is social. By assuming there are values that are less "made-up" than others or "detrimental to your self-satisfaction" is already falling under a very specific discourse which you are already partaking in. If you want to take a glimpse at the boundaries of your social fabric, go do something like take acid or murder someone, the experiences of those acts are indeed outside or at the very edge of our traditional social experience, and it may lead you to something truly different.
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