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Am I a bad brother?

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Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
August 31 2009 03:34 GMT
#1
Recently, my 10 year old brother has been hooked on Starcraft after watching me play a bit. I don't play that much but nevertheless he seems to play with his 13 year old cousins non-stop. Of course, the fact he plays a lot isn't the issue.

A few days ago he asked me to join iCCup so he could play online against other people.. I was surprised he knew how it all worked but anyway I set him up and he went about playing games. We both play terran so it was good to see him get some experience. However it is really sad since he always looses really easily (he is 10). So in order to help him out and give him confidence, I told him to switch to Protoss and DT rush. So far he's been doing well but now all he does is play Protoss and DT rush everytime.. was this a bad idea?

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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:35:56
August 31 2009 03:35 GMT
#2
No. You got him started on the right track for beginners. When he's ready to actually start learning real builds and how the game works, he'll find the race that fits him.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
August 31 2009 03:36 GMT
#3
eventually................................which is never, he will be punished for dt rushing all the time.
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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#4
Nah.. he might be the toss version of (T)BaBy in the near future? jk
Well if it isn't broke, don't fix it ofc you're gonna have to tell him to learn something else later on down the road haha
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24775 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#5
I don't think telling him to dt rush was a good suggestion but i don't think that makes you a bad brother.
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Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 04:04:43
August 31 2009 03:39 GMT
#6
yeah I'm going to try to get him to work on his mechanics more.. for instance he uses a laptop touchpad instead of a mouse (says it is easier for him, course he doesnt know any better) and doesn't use hotkeys and he is still able to get away with it.

EDIT: said mousepad instead of touchpad :\
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 31 2009 03:44 GMT
#7
He will eventually use hotkeys because he will eventually get better and need to multitask.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
August 31 2009 03:44 GMT
#8
Nah, don't worry. As he gets older and can't get past D he'll go to you for advice on how to improve... at that point you can teach him mechanics and stuff. He's ten, all he should be able to do is dt rush at this point.
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Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
August 31 2009 03:54 GMT
#9
I think you made the right choice, as this will probably prevent him from getting discouraged if he lost every game. Also, I wonder if I just lost to a ten year old...
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
August 31 2009 03:57 GMT
#10
practice makes perfect, he'll get gamesense soon
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
August 31 2009 03:58 GMT
#11
On August 31 2009 12:54 Triple7 wrote:
I think you made the right choice, as this will probably prevent him from getting discouraged if he lost every game. Also, I wonder if I just lost to a ten year old...


did he DT rush you with only 6~7 probes on the mineral line? if so, you have your kid
Legends never gg
jonnyp
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States415 Posts
August 31 2009 03:58 GMT
#12
On August 31 2009 12:39 David Mudkips wrote:
yeah I'm going to try to get him to work on his mechanics more.. for instance he uses a laptop mouspad instead of a mouse (says it is easier for him, course he doesnt know any better) and doesn't use hotkeys and he is still able to get away with it.


a touchpad? LOL, and he wins? that's awesome (i shouldn't lol too hard, id probably lose to him -_-)

but yeah, eventually if he likes sc enough he'll want to get past D so he'll be forced to learn everything else.
The number of years it takes for the Internet to move past anything is way, way over 9000.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
August 31 2009 04:03 GMT
#13
You are GOOD for showing him a way to victory and giving him a new way to enjoy the game

I hope that if he actually does have a passion for the game, he'll try hard to improve other aspects of his game when he realizes his 6 probe dt rush isn't working any more. But I definitely don't think this is a bad thing

At the very least, he's seen you play, so he knows he ,can go to you to ask questions, so for example, if he asks you why his dt rush is no longer working, you can either get him to dt rush better or get a new strategy, either way he will work on his mechanics/builds
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 31 2009 04:05 GMT
#14
You're an awesome brother
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 04:06:45
August 31 2009 04:06 GMT
#15
On August 31 2009 13:03 Purind wrote:

if he asks you why his dt rush is no longer working, you can either get him to dt rush better...


oh boy oh boy!
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 31 2009 04:08 GMT
#16
make sure you tell him to assign the F keys for his nexus's, and not his gateways/rally point. get those good habits happening early you know
Kurosaki
Profile Joined August 2008
United States158 Posts
August 31 2009 04:08 GMT
#17
What's his iccup ID and what time does he get play?

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Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 04:12:28
August 31 2009 04:11 GMT
#18
On August 31 2009 13:06 Perguvious wrote:
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On August 31 2009 13:03 Purind wrote:

if he asks you why his dt rush is no longer working, you can either get him to dt rush better...


oh boy oh boy!


haha

Well thanks for the kind words guys, I'll teach him some of the protoss basics to see if he likes it/help improve the mechanics. He did ask me the other day to help him get better. I'll probably pick up playing on iCCup again so I can get better myself (if it wasn't for hotkeys/keeping money low, I may not be much better than he is)

On August 31 2009 13:08 Kurosaki wrote:
What's his iccup ID and what time does he get play?

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hah I'm sure you would understand me not giving out a 10 year olds iCCup ID (his mind is still pure and I wouldn't want to give away any free wins)
Legends never gg
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 31 2009 04:14 GMT
#19
Have him pick up a build or two weekly or every two weeks and just casually practice them, so he can transition into more advanced play.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 31 2009 04:30 GMT
#20
You think of yourself as a bad brother because of this? This totally flabbergasted me...

You might as well start teaching him real builds and the thought behind them. And work on his mechanics too lol
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
August 31 2009 04:32 GMT
#21
if you yourself aren't that good of a player I wouldn't suggest "teaching" him, per se.

if he develops bad habits it'll be hard to overcome later
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 31 2009 04:37 GMT
#22
I seem to be one of the few who laughed my ass off when I read he started winning after switching to protoss.

Anywayyyyyyyyy, just try to get him to learn more builds I guess. He's only 10 though so I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't have much luck.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
August 31 2009 05:21 GMT
#23
No, you're doing a good job as an older brother. He probably really looks up to you too.
My brother got me into Starcraft and I tried to imitate him as Terran. Soon I became a bit more independent and tried Protoss and Zerg, and found my favorite was Zerg. If he keeps with Starcraft he'll find his own place and will learn strategy himself, teaching him to rush DTs will just keep him interested in the game since he'll know it's actually winnable. Soon he will realize the game is very deep and hopefully still love it :D
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
August 31 2009 05:40 GMT
#24
Conversely I got my big brother into SC and he also always goes DTs
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
August 31 2009 05:47 GMT
#25
its ok all you did was make all the terrans die inside a bit
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Rainbow
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States249 Posts
August 31 2009 05:49 GMT
#26
This might have been said, but:

it's good that he's actually learning builds. Make sure he knows WHY he made that pylon at the certain supply, why he made the citadel this early or why he needs to pump probes. Understanding what he's doing will put him at the mid D- levels if he can have less than 5000 minerals and 3000 gas at the end of a 10 minute game. (I meant, if he can actually have macro.)

Anyways, at his age, he probably doesn't care about whats good or what. He cares about that wonderful feeling you get from the first 20 or so games you win on iccup. As long as he can win once or twice a day, he'll get better and probably won't quit.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 31 2009 06:31 GMT
#27
I thought you beat your sibling or conned them of their monthly allowance, or something, just looking at the title from the sidebar.

Nah, you're awesome. You don't even roflstomp all over him with your experience (unless you didn't say so ) and you are teaching him.

Definitely not a bad brother.

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though i seriously hate DTs <3
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
August 31 2009 07:42 GMT
#28
If i were your parents i would disown your brother for learning to dt rush.
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genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
August 31 2009 08:06 GMT
#29
just make sure he turned into SC2 pro in the future.
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
August 31 2009 08:08 GMT
#30
LOL funny thing is he could probably get to C- just DT rushing in different ways
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
August 31 2009 08:12 GMT
#31
That sounds pretty cute actually. I think its great that 10 year old kids can appreciate a game that was being played before they were born :D
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 08:12:58
August 31 2009 08:12 GMT
#32
On August 31 2009 16:42 stroggos wrote:
If i were your parents i would beat your brother for learning to dt rush.


Pretty funny though haha

Not the mousepad thing though. That's not funny.
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 31 2009 12:15 GMT
#33
If you teach him to proxy his archives, I bet he could get to C if he plays only TvPs.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 31 2009 12:25 GMT
#34
you're not a bad brother for telling your brother to dt rush

you're a bad person

XD
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
August 31 2009 13:19 GMT
#35
this almost sounds like a potential experiment "see how far he (a relatively new player) can get with just one build, esp a toss one"

if he's just gaining exp, he probably shouldn't be playing iccup (or 1v1) yet
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
August 31 2009 13:40 GMT
#36
if he's having fun who cares :D
CoOl]1st[
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
August 31 2009 21:00 GMT
#37
terrans everywhere hate you.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
August 31 2009 21:31 GMT
#38
I want to see what Artosis has to say about this.
redneck_mike
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States124 Posts
August 31 2009 21:43 GMT
#39
ill even help him learn through on-the-job training! first lesson - 4 pool.
im the only person i know of to overuse scouts
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
September 03 2009 02:34 GMT
#40
On September 01 2009 06:43 redneck_mike wrote:
ill even help him learn through on-the-job training! first lesson - 4 pool.


I'm not that much of a dick
Legends never gg
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 03 2009 02:48 GMT
#41
yeah, once he masters the DT rush he should look into more advanced builds like the 4 pool
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
September 03 2009 03:12 GMT
#42
well.. he did start playing more zerg..
Legends never gg
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 03 2009 03:18 GMT
#43
Well, Artosis might kill you for teaching him about DTs, but I still think Protoss is as good of a place to start learning. ICCUP might not be the right place to learn, but I do think that starting up, Protoss and Zerg are decent places to look.

You are no means a bad brother at all.
God Bless
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
September 03 2009 04:03 GMT
#44
On September 03 2009 12:18 Roffles wrote:
Well, Artosis might kill you for teaching him about DTs, but I still think Protoss is as good of a place to start learning. ICCUP might not be the right place to learn, but I do think that starting up, Protoss and Zerg are decent places to look.

You are no means a bad brother at all.


Do you think just vs. comps would be better? (although no one builds a goddamn m&m army TvP like the comps do)
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