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Why can't men be men and women be women? - Page 4

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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2009 03:08 GMT
#61
On August 23 2009 11:22 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 10:47 iamho wrote:
On August 23 2009 10:45 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
Absolutely, if the black person is less qualified than the white person, give the white person the job. However, if the black person is more qualified than the white person, give him the job. Sound logical?


yep, and it also sounds perfectly logical that women who were able to get through police/military training should be able to get those jobs, so I have no idea what you're complaining about.


because the testing isnt exactly as equal

there are obviously women who do qualify and are aware of these risks. its just that with feminism they say you MUST hire women which leads to the problem of some not being well qualified and only hired to avoid being branded as sexist

Who says what? What's your understanding of feminism? You don't know the first thing about feminism.
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
August 23 2009 03:17 GMT
#62
Yes, I agree that it is unfair that women undergo easier physical testing in the police force and the military. And to the people that are trying to make the military seem physically undemanding just because of guns, seriously? Combat is physically demanding, carrying all that equipment and moving about, regardless of whether or not a gun is in your hands. They should still receive the same standards of testing.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
August 23 2009 03:26 GMT
#63
W T F

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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 23 2009 03:28 GMT
#64
On August 23 2009 12:26 EsX_Raptor wrote:
W T F

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so what? men have a high sit-up req, a lower sprint req. seems fair enough
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
August 23 2009 03:29 GMT
#65
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2009 03:31 GMT
#66
The issue is not the role of equal testing. The issue is that the OP is an idiot and he's got something wrong in nearly all of his paragraphs.

I don't know what to tell you if you think physical strength is the most important attribute of being a police officer.

And lines like this are downright sexist, and the OP clearly has no understanding of how the military actually works, because most infantries are not integrated atm.
The military is even worse, women in war is just an absolutely horrible idea for obvious reasons. We should be protecting our women, not sending them into war, where they are completely incompetent


The primary reason women get sent into the battlefield is because they're often better at reading people and interviewing them, and because you can't get away with men searching female subjects. Women are still not put into heavy combat groups or most of SF, as far as I know. If anyone, regardless of being male or female, is putting their company at risk in battle, then their commanders are at fault.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
August 23 2009 03:33 GMT
#67
On August 23 2009 10:18 ghostWriter wrote:
Womens' sports are also boring to watch.



Except sports like volleyball, tennis and gymnastics.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2009 03:34 GMT
#68
The purpose of those FBI tests is to get the top % of physical ability from each sex, not because running and lifting is an important part of the job.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
August 23 2009 03:34 GMT
#69
^ I think those are only good because you get to see their bodies/asses
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
August 23 2009 03:36 GMT
#70
On August 23 2009 12:06 Jibba wrote:
The US Army is the weakest in the world because we allow women in it, and they stand no chance when we go to battle in fisticuffs against the Russians and China.


Nice straw man you have there.
Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
August 23 2009 03:37 GMT
#71
On August 23 2009 12:08 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 11:22 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
On August 23 2009 10:47 iamho wrote:
On August 23 2009 10:45 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
Absolutely, if the black person is less qualified than the white person, give the white person the job. However, if the black person is more qualified than the white person, give him the job. Sound logical?


yep, and it also sounds perfectly logical that women who were able to get through police/military training should be able to get those jobs, so I have no idea what you're complaining about.


because the testing isnt exactly as equal

there are obviously women who do qualify and are aware of these risks. its just that with feminism they say you MUST hire women which leads to the problem of some not being well qualified and only hired to avoid being branded as sexist

Who says what? What's your understanding of feminism? You don't know the first thing about feminism.


This. It's a bit frustrating to see one of the most important social movements in the last century to be reduced to 'durr feminism means they think everything's the same.' I'll be the first to admit that certain extreme feminists are idiotic, but I'd rather have to put up with a few wackos than live in a society where a woman's only role is to raise children and keep house.

Aside from the distortion of what feminism is about, the difference in physical ability or strength between your average citizen and a well-trained officer is considerably more than the difference between similarly well-trained officers of different genders. If the fact that there's a difference is a valid reason for excluding women, then only black people should be soldiers, because they're statically quicker and more athletic than white people.

Perhaps there was a time when women needed to be 'protected' by men, but considering the easy availability of pepper spray, stun guns, they can feel pretty safe without any chivalry on the part of men. Women may be more at risk for violent crime than men, but to assume that they need protection simply because they're female and you're male is pretty arrogant, imo.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 23 2009 03:57 GMT
#72
On August 23 2009 12:36 Draconizard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 12:06 Jibba wrote:
The US Army is the weakest in the world because we allow women in it, and they stand no chance when we go to battle in fisticuffs against the Russians and China.


Nice straw man you have there.


re-read his post and ask yourself "could he be making a joke?"
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2009 04:00 GMT
#73
On August 23 2009 12:57 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 12:36 Draconizard wrote:
On August 23 2009 12:06 Jibba wrote:
The US Army is the weakest in the world because we allow women in it, and they stand no chance when we go to battle in fisticuffs against the Russians and China.


Nice straw man you have there.


re-read his post and ask yourself "could he be making a joke?"

He's right, it was a strawman but I don't find myself really caring. There are other attributes that are far more important, and denying someone who wants to serve is stupid.
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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
August 23 2009 04:13 GMT
#74
I agree with op not so much on gender differences, but rather on his opposition to affirmative action of any sort. Reverse discrimination is discrimination.

But I love black people AND women.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 23 2009 04:13 GMT
#75
It's just well formed rhetoric. People are really going overboard with these "nice strawman argument" bullshit comments, imo.

It's called "making other people actually think about the topic".
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 23 2009 04:13 GMT
#76
read this and tell me it doesn't make you question the meaning of gender:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/sports/21runner.html

(NYTimes is being a bitch lately and wants you to log in... if this is the case, go to : http://www.google.com/search?q=gold awarded amid dispute and click on the link there, because they smartly allow Google to view their site, otherwise no one of consequence would be able to find them lolz)

BERLIN — As an 18-year-old runner from a village in South Africa received her gold medal in Olympic Stadium on Thursday night, activity away from the track had put her at the center of an international dispute: doctors here and in her home country were examining test results to determine whether she has too many male characteristics to compete as a woman.


I personally have a close friend from college who was born indeterminate-sex. As such, I think the OP of this thread is bogus and judgmental as hell.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 23 2009 04:14 GMT
#77
it is fine to recognize the difference. but people don't randomly ponder the difference between men and women. they do so in contexts, when they want to make some points about the proper way of doing things in various walks of life. it is here that problems arise.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 23 2009 04:16 GMT
#78
On August 23 2009 13:13 Delerium wrote:
read this and tell me it doesn't make you question the meaning of gender:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/sports/21runner.html

(NYTimes is being a bitch lately and wants you to log in... if this is the case, go to : http://www.google.com/search?q=gold awarded amid dispute and click on the link there, because they smartly allow Google to view their site, otherwise no one of consequence would be able to find them lolz)

Show nested quote +
BERLIN — As an 18-year-old runner from a village in South Africa received her gold medal in Olympic Stadium on Thursday night, activity away from the track had put her at the center of an international dispute: doctors here and in her home country were examining test results to determine whether she has too many male characteristics to compete as a woman.


I personally have a close friend from college who was born indeterminate-sex. As such, I think the OP of this thread is bogus and judgmental as hell.


there's like a million page thread about this in the general forum, i think
cutebabyelephant
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States50 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-23 04:18:30
August 23 2009 04:17 GMT
#79
I don't see why you're complaining about there being differences in the physical fitness tests EsX_Raptor. If you think that the abilities of a man in good shape compare to those of a woman in good shape you are simply wrong. And if you think that is basis for that there shouldn't be women in the FBI or Police Force or Military or whatnot that is also simply wrong. There is a reason why police forces send a man and a women to domestic dispute calls.

For things like SWAT Teams and Special Forces there are no women in them for the obvious reasons too. I don't understand the point of this post.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2009 04:18 GMT
#80
On August 23 2009 13:16 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 13:13 Delerium wrote:
read this and tell me it doesn't make you question the meaning of gender:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/sports/21runner.html

(NYTimes is being a bitch lately and wants you to log in... if this is the case, go to : http://www.google.com/search?q=gold awarded amid dispute and click on the link there, because they smartly allow Google to view their site, otherwise no one of consequence would be able to find them lolz)

BERLIN — As an 18-year-old runner from a village in South Africa received her gold medal in Olympic Stadium on Thursday night, activity away from the track had put her at the center of an international dispute: doctors here and in her home country were examining test results to determine whether she has too many male characteristics to compete as a woman.


I personally have a close friend from college who was born indeterminate-sex. As such, I think the OP of this thread is bogus and judgmental as hell.


there's like a million page thread about this in the general forum, i think

Yeah, but it basically degenerated into calling her ugly, which everyone could see coming a mile away. :/
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