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TLnet Poll - Which region will win IEM Katowice 2023?

Which region will win IEM Katowice 2023? :

Korea (498)39%
Europe (392)31%
Other (390)30%

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net139 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-28 09:03:59
January 28 2023 09:03 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for TL.net front page poll: "Which region will win IEM Katowice 2023?"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
January 28 2023 09:07 GMT
#2
It feels like the Korea-World 'rivalry' quietly subsided during 2022—time to fan the flames!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia317 Posts
January 28 2023 09:13 GMT
#3
Zerg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
January 28 2023 09:23 GMT
#4
On January 28 2023 18:13 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Zerg

You beat me to it .
Statistically speaking, Europe has two top zergs while Korea only has one now that Rogue is gone to the military.
Therefore I would say Europe, but for some reason I feel like Korea will dominate, so I vote KR
WriterMaru
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4289 Posts
January 28 2023 09:38 GMT
#5
On January 28 2023 18:13 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Zerg

LOL

My answer also.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16091 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-28 11:13:37
January 28 2023 11:13 GMT
#6
On January 28 2023 18:23 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2023 18:13 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Zerg

You beat me to it .
Statistically speaking, Europe has two top zergs while Korea only has one now that Rogue is gone to the military.
Therefore I would say Europe, but for some reason I feel like Korea will dominate, so I vote KR

yeah 67% chance that EU wins it and 33% chance that KR wins it.
ZvZ on that level are 50/50
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Iskhiaro
Profile Joined March 2011
Great Britain11 Posts
January 29 2023 12:21 GMT
#7
I think hero is gonna finish off his fantastic year by winning it! We've got loads of players with great chances though.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-29 12:54:58
January 29 2023 12:54 GMT
#8
I'd guess it's 60/40.
EU has Serral (30%) and Reynor (30%).
KR has Dark (30%), Maru (5%) and herO (5%).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
January 29 2023 13:12 GMT
#9
Australia/Oceania obviously.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 01 2023 04:09 GMT
#10
My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like:

23% – Serral
23% – Maru
12% – herO
12% – Reynor
12% – Dark
6% – Clem
5% – ByuN
4% – Solar
2% – Bunny
1% – Someone Else

So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other?
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 01 2023 04:50 GMT
#11
Serral Reynor and Dark are the only ones with a chance. So 66% that EU wins.

It will come down to the besg ZvZ. Dark smashed everyone in 2019 when zerg was horrendously overpowered. But Reynor and Serral are ZvZ gods.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1993 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-01 04:56:50
February 01 2023 04:52 GMT
#12
On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote:
My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like:

23% – Serral
23% – Maru
12% – herO
12% – Reynor
12% – Dark
6% – Clem
5% – ByuN
4% – Solar
2% – Bunny
1% – Someone Else

So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other?

why is clem even remotely in the conversation when he hasn't won an offline tournament?

and I don't say this to be mean, he has literally never won a tournament with Koreans in it.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
February 01 2023 05:03 GMT
#13
I'd say 25/25/25 for Serral/Reynor/Dark. 8% for Maru, 7% for herO. 10% for another Zerg like Solar, Ragnarok, DRG etc.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 01 2023 05:19 GMT
#14
On February 01 2023 13:52 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote:
My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like:

23% – Serral
23% – Maru
12% – herO
12% – Reynor
12% – Dark
6% – Clem
5% – ByuN
4% – Solar
2% – Bunny
1% – Someone Else

So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other?

why is clem even remotely in the conversation when he hasn't won an offline tournament?

and I don't say this to be mean, he has literally never won a tournament with Koreans in it.


Yeah, he hasn't yet. But he did win both EU events this year over Reynor. I gave him this high of a chance because he could conceivably either a) finally overcome his tendency to underperform at S-tier offline events, especially against Koreans, or b) get a bracket where he has to go through, for example, ShoWTimE/HeroMarine, Reynor, and Serral to win and avoids Maru/Dark altogether.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 01 2023 05:27 GMT
#15
For someone who has shown himself to be capable of beating the likes of Reynor and Serral (although Serral did have his number in 2022), and would arguably only be a slight underdog in a Bo5 against Dark or herO, I don't think a 1 in 16 or 1 in 17 chance is totally crazy.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
332 Posts
February 01 2023 07:44 GMT
#16
On January 29 2023 21:21 Iskhiaro wrote:
I think hero is gonna finish off his fantastic year by winning it! We've got loads of players with great chances though.


if this happens, I will run my first 5k and provide verification.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-01 09:21:40
February 01 2023 09:20 GMT
#17
On February 01 2023 14:27 kochanfe wrote:
I don't think a 1 in 16 or 1 in 17 chance is totally crazy.
You have Dark's chances as 12% and Clem's at 6%, only 2 times lower?
In last 3 years Dark has won a Blizzcon, two GSLs (+1 ST) and a few other tourneys with best players from all regions.
Clem hasn't won anything outside of region-locked EU yet.
If I had 18% to split between them, it would be 15% / 3%, and maybe even this is generous to Clem.
If Clem proves me wrong, I'll be very happy.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
February 01 2023 11:55 GMT
#18
Comparatively, I am not taking Clem chance ahead of Byun, Solar nor Bunny. Hell, if MaxPax was playing I would take him ahead of Clem as well.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1993 Posts
February 01 2023 20:36 GMT
#19
As an article said from tl staff themselves I believe, because the only zergs Clem play against are the EU ones, he may have developed his play to be too specialized to defeat them. Every players has different strengths and weaknesses. It's hard to say he'll be able to be the top Koreans
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
February 01 2023 21:10 GMT
#20
Even against Serral/Reynor, Clem only really does well during WCS EU for whatever reason. In other events he is mostly just as bad against them as other Terrans.
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