• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:26
CET 13:26
KST 21:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0226LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
A new season just kicks off BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube TvZ is the most complete match up ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1804 users

TLnet Poll - IEM Katowice: Which is the group of death?

IEM Katowice: Which is the group of death? :

D: Maru, Clem, Reynor, Scarlett, Zoun (758)74%
B: Serral, Dark, TIME, SpeCial, ShoWTimE (119)12%
A: Rogue, Cure, Solar, Neeb, Dream (109)11%
C: Trap, Zest, HeroMarine, Bunny, Lambo (36)4%

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net134 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-03 05:00:56
February 03 2022 05:00 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: Which IEM Katowice RO24 group is the group of death?

[image loading]
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 03 2022 05:27 GMT
#2
These groups are fairly even imho. 2-3 very strong players in each group, the others can pull off upsets.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7088 Posts
February 03 2022 10:12 GMT
#3
Depending on which Reynor & Clem show up I say it's either A or D
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-07 10:39:04
February 03 2022 11:26 GMT
#4
E) None
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
328 Posts
February 03 2022 15:12 GMT
#5
D! A bit worried for Reynor, and excited about potential upsets from Scarlett and/or Zoun.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
February 03 2022 15:45 GMT
#6
If you look at the point totals, the current poll results make a lot of sense considering Grp A-C are within ~400 points of each other and Grp D is 1k+ ahead.

Group A: 8896 Group B: 8389 Group C: 8426 Group D: 10056

I guess group of death is more about which group is likely to be the biggest bloodbath. I agree here as well, sure Maru is the favorite to advance, but the other players are all very close in skill and all of them have taken series from Maru in the past.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
NunedQ
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany235 Posts
February 03 2022 19:02 GMT
#7
The way I look at it, every other group has 2 players who, regardless of groups, I would be suprised if they don't get to the knockouts, while group D has 3 of those.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
874 Posts
February 03 2022 20:00 GMT
#8
The winner of group D should directly be the winner of the event
ImmortalGhost
Profile Joined April 2019
United States57 Posts
February 03 2022 20:10 GMT
#9
Zest is best. He's gonna one up Classic's exit at Blizzcon in 2019 for sure. I'm hoping he can retire as the world champion.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
February 03 2022 21:14 GMT
#10
I'd love it for Zest to win too! I think he has a decent shot provided someone knocks Serral out as against ANYONE ELSE in the tournament, Zest has good chances (although he's not necessarily a favorite).

To me, the overall favorite is Maru -- I think he's the only one in the tournament that is probably favored head to head against literally anyone else. His worst match-up, TvP is still one that he's absurdly strong in (arguably favored against any protoss) and there aren't that many protoss to really challenge him there.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
February 03 2022 21:18 GMT
#11
Why are you even making a poll for this one? The answer is fucking obvious.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 03 2022 23:48 GMT
#12
Group D for sure. Group B is a reasonably close second, and Groups A and C are virtually equal to one another and tied for a distant third place. Having said that though, all four are still reasonably close together, with the average rating for the strongest and the average rating for the weakest only separated by about ~80 ELO, per Aligulac.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain884 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-04 00:13:39
February 04 2022 00:13 GMT
#13
The group where herO lands after destroying his RO24 bracket is going to be the group of death.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-04 02:11:20
February 04 2022 02:10 GMT
#14
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
February 04 2022 02:28 GMT
#15
Wondering how Neeb will perform, hopefully it's good
Faker is the GOAT!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3465 Posts
February 04 2022 04:07 GMT
#16
Group D has the highest amount of talent overall, but I think group C is literally the group where ANY player can be eliminated from the group stage, including Trap and Zest given that Lambo, HM and Bunny are pretty great in vP matchup.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
February 05 2022 03:50 GMT
#17
Still no date for the RO36?
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-05 04:00:58
February 05 2022 04:00 GMT
#18
On February 04 2022 11:10 honorablemacroterran wrote:
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.


Eh... per Aligulac (as of 02/04)

Group D – Maru (3354), Reynor (3193), Clem (3099), Zoun (2739), Scarlett (2657)
Group B – Serral (3325), Dark (3191), ShoWTimE (3021), TIME (2743), SpeCial (2613)

Average Elo of 3008 and 2978, respectively.

Group C – Zest (3116), HeRoMaRinE (2963), Trap (2880), Bunny (2868), Lambo (2798)
Group A – Rogue (3131), Cure (3043), Solar (3030), Dream (2732), Neeb (2665)

Average Elo of 2925 and 2920, respectively.

Not sure what 'copium' is, but I think it's fair to say that while Group D is definitely the hardest, Group B is closer to being as hard as Group D than Groups C and A are to being as hard as Group B. Depends on what you mean by competitive though, I guess...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 05 2022 04:07 GMT
#19
On February 05 2022 12:50 Garnet wrote:
Still no date for the RO36?

02/23 I believe
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-05 05:21:58
February 05 2022 04:56 GMT
#20
On February 05 2022 13:00 kochanfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2022 11:10 honorablemacroterran wrote:
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.


Eh... per Aligulac (as of 02/04)

Group D – Maru (3354), Reynor (3193), Clem (3099), Zoun (2739), Scarlett (2657)
Group B – Serral (3325), Dark (3191), ShoWTimE (3021), TIME (2743), SpeCial (2613)

Average Elo of 3008 and 2978, respectively.

Group C – Zest (3116), HeRoMaRinE (2963), Trap (2880), Bunny (2868), Lambo (2798)
Group A – Rogue (3131), Cure (3043), Solar (3030), Dream (2732), Neeb (2665)

Average Elo of 2925 and 2920, respectively.

Not sure what 'copium' is, but I think it's fair to say that while Group D is definitely the hardest, Group B is closer to being as hard as Group D than Groups C and A are to being as hard as Group B. Depends on what you mean by competitive though, I guess...


Aligulac is shit. It predicted that MaxPax was favored over PartinG 5 months ago when I was playing with it, and when PartinG was a Ro4 GSL player and MaxPax wasn't as good as he is now. You should go by the points that were created to qualify people for this event. The ratings in your own post discredit Aligulac as far as I'm concerned without going after any individual players when it's not their fault. Suffice to say, it systematically overrates Europeans relative to Koreans.
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
12:00
#47 - Day 1
Liquipedia
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
Group B
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
PiGStarcraft1110
TKL 363
IndyStarCraft 177
Rex142
BRAT_OK 119
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1110
TKL 363
Lowko197
IndyStarCraft 177
Rex 142
BRAT_OK 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 7664
Rain 3033
GuemChi 2421
PianO 2234
BeSt 1104
Jaedong 973
Hyuk 478
actioN 261
Light 250
Hyun 198
[ Show more ]
Mini 197
Soma 182
ZerO 135
Snow 119
Pusan 107
Dewaltoss 103
Rush 95
Soulkey 88
ggaemo 76
hero 76
Killer 65
JYJ 65
Hm[arnc] 61
Aegong 61
Mong 60
Barracks 52
Mind 52
Sharp 46
Backho 40
Nal_rA 38
Sea.KH 35
ToSsGirL 32
sSak 27
JulyZerg 26
Free 25
[sc1f]eonzerg 22
Icarus 21
910 20
GoRush 20
yabsab 16
Noble 15
Yoon 15
Movie 15
zelot 15
SilentControl 14
Shine 14
Bale 13
NotJumperer 6
ivOry 5
Britney 2
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
Gorgc3013
XaKoH 438
XcaliburYe80
canceldota16
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2304
zeus1026
fl0m703
m0e_tv430
Other Games
singsing2080
shoxiejesuss760
B2W.Neo631
Fuzer 242
crisheroes168
Happy116
ToD114
Hui .101
Trikslyr27
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL42833
Other Games
gamesdonequick647
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco293
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV244
League of Legends
• Stunt584
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
4h 35m
Harstem vs MaNa
Reynor vs SKillous
Replay Cast
11h 35m
PiG Sty Festival
20h 35m
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
21h 35m
Epic.LAN
23h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 20h
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-19
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.