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TLnet Poll - GSL Finals Winner?

GSL Finals Winner? :

MVP (9393)65%
Squirtle (5156)35%

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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 15 2012 22:58 GMT
#1
Come on Squirtle, it's time to evolve into Blstoise!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 15 2012 22:59 GMT
#2
I'm in a strange situation, I want both of them to win, and neither of them to lose. Ugg this is is so weird.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
May 15 2012 23:00 GMT
#3
Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL
Save me from myself
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
May 15 2012 23:04 GMT
#4
I hope MVP, 4 time GSL champ.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
May 15 2012 23:07 GMT
#5
Rooting for Mvp, but Blastoise would be a pleasant surprise as well. Basically either way I'll be happy.
ackbar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States94 Posts
May 15 2012 23:10 GMT
#6
MVP!

He has to be the favorite at this point.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 23:13:20
May 15 2012 23:10 GMT
#7
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote:
Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL

Losing to aLive doesn't mean that you're somehow "not that good" at a match-up, especially one that aLive is super dominant at while you're playing on the other side of the world from where you are used to playing. At that event he also beat Bomber, MKP, MMA and aLive in a Bo3 (in the finals).

Then this GSL he's beaten MMA, Maru, and Taeja (granted as far as MMA and Taeja are concerned, I think that is their weakest match-up, but at the level of play that those guys are at "weakest match-up" doesn't mean bad).

That being said I think Mvp is still the favorite just because he has more experience and will be able to deal with pressure better, but at the same time in a match-up like TvP crazy stuff can happen. While skill becomes more and more of a factor the later you go, the early game of TvP can often come down to build order.
NekoFlandre
Profile Joined March 2011
United States497 Posts
May 15 2012 23:14 GMT
#8
Rooting for MVP here. He needs his third.
Kitty Flandre....even more scary..
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 23:18:17
May 15 2012 23:18 GMT
#9
I think Squirtle will take it but Mvp is so unpredictable, it'll be close either way.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
May 15 2012 23:24 GMT
#10
On May 16 2012 08:10 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote:
Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL

Losing to aLive doesn't mean that you're somehow "not that good" at a match-up, especially one that aLive is super dominant at while you're playing on the other side of the world from where you are used to playing. At that event he also beat Bomber, MKP, MMA and aLive in a Bo3 (in the finals).

Then this GSL he's beaten MMA, Maru, and Taeja (granted as far as MMA and Taeja are concerned, I think that is their weakest match-up, but at the level of play that those guys are at "weakest match-up" doesn't mean bad).

That being said I think Mvp is still the favorite just because he has more experience and will be able to deal with pressure better, but at the same time in a match-up like TvP crazy stuff can happen. While skill becomes more and more of a factor the later you go, the early game of TvP can often come down to build order.


Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes.
Save me from myself
Wheva
Profile Joined April 2011
United States13 Posts
May 15 2012 23:26 GMT
#11
MVP hwaiting!!!!! Sorry Wartortle but your evolution is going to have to wait cause MVP has got this!
wheh-vuh as in whatever
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 15 2012 23:33 GMT
#12
Squirtle is awesome, but not as much vT, while MVP is just awesome.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
May 15 2012 23:39 GMT
#13
Squirtle

Legend of the Spring inc
saltymango
Profile Joined June 2011
United States120 Posts
May 15 2012 23:53 GMT
#14
I predict no games over 18 minutes.
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
May 15 2012 23:59 GMT
#15
On May 16 2012 08:24 brokenLoL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 08:10 The Final Boss wrote:
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote:
Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL

Losing to aLive doesn't mean that you're somehow "not that good" at a match-up, especially one that aLive is super dominant at while you're playing on the other side of the world from where you are used to playing. At that event he also beat Bomber, MKP, MMA and aLive in a Bo3 (in the finals).

Then this GSL he's beaten MMA, Maru, and Taeja (granted as far as MMA and Taeja are concerned, I think that is their weakest match-up, but at the level of play that those guys are at "weakest match-up" doesn't mean bad).

That being said I think Mvp is still the favorite just because he has more experience and will be able to deal with pressure better, but at the same time in a match-up like TvP crazy stuff can happen. While skill becomes more and more of a factor the later you go, the early game of TvP can often come down to build order.


Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes.



seriously, did you undertood that article?
protoss living in da ghetto
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 16 2012 00:24 GMT
#16
Should be a quick series, but it will be close. Giving the edge to Squirtle.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
May 16 2012 02:38 GMT
#17
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote:
Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL

Losing to aLive dosn't mean you have weak PvT... that's like saying losing to MVP means you're trash against terran as well... :l
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
May 16 2012 03:23 GMT
#18
I liquibetted against MVP the last two rounds, which were the only times I've ever liquibetted against him. I've learned my lesson.
Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
May 16 2012 03:34 GMT
#19
Do you guys remember the first GSTL final when Squirtle first faced MVP on Terminus? That was the best match I can remember seeing up to that point and still one of the greatest I've seen to this point. At a time when 2 base colossus seemed to be the only thing any protoss was doing, Squirtle came out with this amazing hallucination/immortal/high templar usage and slowly picked apart MVP's amazing macro in a long epic match, beating the greatest Terran in the world (only to lose the ace match to the greatest zerg in the world, sadly).

That single matchup completely renewed my excitement in the Protoss race and made me a Squirtle fan to this day. I have hopes that this final will be able to match the innovation and beauty of that great GSTL match. Even with how much respect both of these players are given for their skill, I still consider them to be underrated. Please be the greatest final ever!!

(GSTL Feb. 2011 Final, Match 8 is the game I'm talking about by the way)
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
May 16 2012 03:51 GMT
#20
Rooting for MVP. I want a Terran Boss. Please redfine the matchup MVP plox. <3
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
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