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Jebebee
Profile Joined December 2016
1 Post
December 13 2016 11:23 GMT
#1441
I think the csgo tournament portal needs a major revamp. Current "premier" and "major" events don't fit their description at all anymore. I think northern arenas, small dreamhacks, world cups etc. would be much better fit at major tournaments. They don't "feature the best players from all over the world". They have "large prize pool and a good number of top-tier teams", which is the exact description for major tournaments. Same with major tournaments. I mean that tab is filled with local tournaments which have literally no top teams whatsoever. Even big asian tournaments are a bit of of stretch but I guess they are fine because big prizes and rising scene. But brazil premier? Pantamera (literally a tournament for tier3 swedes)?

It would probably be an impossible task to change everything retroactively even if someone would organize it, but I really think there should be some quality control starting 2017. At least start by getting rid of all 9 100k Dreamhacks and cs_summit from premier.
razarza
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia21 Posts
December 13 2016 14:41 GMT
#1442
I agree that we need more strict criteria for event tier placements. At the moment it is too loose and some events can be hard to gauge , like WESG EU, major or premier, it kind of sits on the fence because there is no clear definition (at least from what I've seen).

I think it is the Dota piddy that has some actual limits of something like premier is LAN and $1m+. Maybe we should copy that for CS (obviously with a reduced prize pool limit, volvo pls gib moar prize monies ;_;).
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tolkienfanatic
Profile Joined February 2015
United States110 Posts
December 13 2016 15:43 GMT
#1443
On December 13 2016 20:23 Jebebee wrote:
I think the csgo tournament portal needs a major revamp. Current "premier" and "major" events don't fit their description at all anymore. I think northern arenas, small dreamhacks, world cups etc. would be much better fit at major tournaments. They don't "feature the best players from all over the world". They have "large prize pool and a good number of top-tier teams", which is the exact description for major tournaments. Same with major tournaments. I mean that tab is filled with local tournaments which have literally no top teams whatsoever. Even big asian tournaments are a bit of of stretch but I guess they are fine because big prizes and rising scene. But brazil premier? Pantamera (literally a tournament for tier3 swedes)?

It would probably be an impossible task to change everything retroactively even if someone would organize it, but I really think there should be some quality control starting 2017. At least start by getting rid of all 9 100k Dreamhacks and cs_summit from premier.


As you pointed out, tournament tiering in an inflationary era and with the scene in different positions in different parts of the world is something we struggle with. If you would like to discuss this further, by all means join us in Discord.
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
December 29 2016 22:50 GMT
#1444
OK I am requesting permission to replace as many dead GOMtv VoD links with working Youtube links as I can find in both the SC2 and Brood War wikis. Since this requires me to make several hundred changes to links, I'd like to get some sort of official permission so no one decides to go ape on me when I do this.

Oh, and I may need template changes on a couple pages so I can fit the links in.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
December 30 2016 02:37 GMT
#1445
Got an example of a broken link, and what you would replace it with, and what template change you might need?
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-30 10:40:59
December 30 2016 09:36 GMT
#1446
The event VoDs I wish to swap links for are as follows:

StarCraft II
- 2011 GSL July Code S
- 2011 GSL July Code A
- 2011 GSL July Up & Down Matches
- 2011 GSL August Code S
- 2011 GSL August Up & Down Matches

Brood War:
- GOMtv Classic Season 2
- GOMtv Classic Season 3

I will of course also be adding links for events that are missing them entirely, like the GOMtv Classic Season 1 and the three Arena of Legends events for SC2.

As far as templates go, examples would be GSL August Code S Group Stage. I'd like it to match the other Group Stage templates so I can drop the links in easily without breaking anything. Same goes for GSL Arena of Legends 1 and the Team Ace Invitational group stages.

I have zero faith in my own ability to change the templates myself and I really don't want to break anything, so I need someone more experienced to make the changes for me.

I can hang out in the LP Discord server for a few days so anyone can discuss this further with me before I proceed.

EDIT: Oh, and if possible I would like to add in the 2011 GSL August All-Star Match VoDs somewhere.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Tortov
Profile Joined June 2013
17 Posts
December 30 2016 20:31 GMT
#1447
Don't you guys think that Warcraft 3 Wiki has pretty terrible race icons?
Why aren't we using regular race symbols?
Or pictures of some iconic units or skills e.g. Critical Strike for Orcs, Brilliance Aura for Hum, Mana Burn for NE, Death Coil for UD etc. Or some different race head models?
I guess, what I'm trying to say is that anything other then current race icons will look better.
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4933 Posts
December 30 2016 20:33 GMT
#1448
Thing is they need to be distinguishable in 16x16 pixels. If you have something for that, let us know.
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Tortov
Profile Joined June 2013
17 Posts
December 30 2016 21:09 GMT
#1449
How about something like this then?

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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4933 Posts
December 30 2016 21:15 GMT
#1450
On December 31 2016 06:09 Tortov wrote:
How about something like this then?

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I linked them to the contributors for discussion, we would need licensing information though if we were to use them.
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"Nimm es. Es ist nicht viel, aber es kommt von Herzen. Vergiss mich nicht!"
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
December 31 2016 15:18 GMT
#1451
Well it looks like I'll need to do more than expected.

For the 2011 GSL November Code A the GOM and YT vods are all mixed-and-matched together and I will need to fix this. I suspect I will find more of this sorta thing as I go, particularly in the Code A and Up&Downs. Yay me.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
xloctis
Profile Joined December 2011
Russian Federation10 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 12:33:06
January 08 2017 02:42 GMT
#1452
nevermind ._.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
January 08 2017 12:31 GMT
#1453
I don't think it's liquipedia related, is it?
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Ganeshmundhe007
Profile Joined March 2016
3 Posts
February 06 2017 12:10 GMT
#1454
Site is kind of confused me to find right thread
But there is missing link for http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_2_Asia_Championships/2017
on main http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page
please add link under Ongoing
Thanks
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19035 Posts
February 06 2017 13:31 GMT
#1455
The Asia championships don't start until the end of March. The qualifiers are running now, but are not listed because we don't list qualifiers.
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
February 06 2017 13:37 GMT
#1456
The qualifier matches are listed in the upcoming & ongoing matches though.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
February 06 2017 14:21 GMT
#1457
On February 06 2017 22:31 tofucake wrote:
The Asia championships don't start until the end of March. The qualifiers are running now, but are not listed because we don't list qualifiers.

qualifiers for premier tournaments used to be listed at least, before it was automated with smw...
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
okaythenmate
Profile Joined July 2015
Australia3 Posts
March 02 2017 00:30 GMT
#1458
Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to change the team player listing format? So instead of just listing off all the players, maybe put them in order of position and with the little crown to indicate team captain and something to list coach and/or subs?

Just a little quality of life change that's all.
Thanks.
AUS Player
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
March 02 2017 02:10 GMT
#1459
On March 02 2017 09:30 okaythenmate wrote:
Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to change the team player listing format? So instead of just listing off all the players, maybe put them in order of position and with the little crown to indicate team captain and something to list coach and/or subs?

Just a little quality of life change that's all.
Thanks.

For which game/wiki?
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
March 30 2017 16:03 GMT
#1460
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Protoss_Strategy

The external link - The Art of Protoss - leads to nowhere. Did anybody back this up somewhere else?
So wait? I'm bad? =(
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