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On March 31 2010 15:36 Manifesto7 wrote: I didn't close it, but one line and a link is not usually sufficient for an OP in general.
Is it enough for blogs? I just got warned/closed for having a two sentence + video blog post. I thought blogs was where you're meant to post little tidbits you find interesting.
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United States4991 Posts
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United States4991 Posts
On April 04 2010 01:01 snotboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 15:36 Manifesto7 wrote: I didn't close it, but one line and a link is not usually sufficient for an OP in general. Is it enough for blogs? I just got warned/closed for having a two sentence + video blog post. I thought blogs was where you're meant to post little tidbits you find interesting. Depends upon a variety of factors like what those two sentences were, how strict we're being on blogs (i.e., how many bad blogs are there cluttering it up), what the video was, who you are [Mani isn't going to get banned even if he does turn out a crappy blog now and then]. In general, you should always express why anyone would care about the video and provide a summary of it. Saying "JUST WATCH THE VIDEO IT'S HILARIOUS" isn't really enough.
Mostly, provide a summary of the video. Put it in spoiler tags if you don't want people to be spoiled. Blogs are not meant to be a dumping ground; they're meant to be a place to post less-widely-relevant stuff, but there are still some standards for general interest (i.e., it needs to have some significance/interest to someone beyond merely you).
That said, I didn't see your topic so I have no idea about that one in particular..
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On April 11 2010 05:27 Insane wrote: it's just a boring poll topic which doesn't really provide any valuable discussion or insight into anything.
Lol Harsh
But it wasn't really a "what" question like a poll, but more of a "why" question. But anyway I guess I got a good enough amount of information from the thread while it lasted to maybe help me narrow down what race I want to pick.
Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the link to the rules.
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United States4991 Posts
On April 11 2010 06:09 Ghoro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2010 05:27 Insane wrote: it's just a boring poll topic which doesn't really provide any valuable discussion or insight into anything. Lol Harsh But it wasn't really a "what" question like a poll, but more of a "why" question. But anyway I guess I got a good enough amount of information from the thread while it lasted to maybe help me narrow down what race I want to pick. Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the link to the rules. I think your question would've been better suited by creating a blog topic about "Help me pick an SC2 race", in which case it would've been left open. The main issue is that it's not very relevant to most people and the majority of people are going to come in and post something like "I picked Protoss because it's cool!!". Since your goal with the topic was indeed to pick a race, better to just create a topic specifically geared towards that That said, I didn't close your thread since it didn't particularly bother me when I saw it!
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On April 11 2010 05:34 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 01:01 snotboogie wrote:On March 31 2010 15:36 Manifesto7 wrote: I didn't close it, but one line and a link is not usually sufficient for an OP in general. Is it enough for blogs? I just got warned/closed for having a two sentence + video blog post. I thought blogs was where you're meant to post little tidbits you find interesting. Depends upon a variety of factors like what those two sentences were, how strict we're being on blogs (i.e., how many bad blogs are there cluttering it up), what the video was, who you are [Mani isn't going to get banned even if he does turn out a crappy blog now and then]. In general, you should always express why anyone would care about the video and provide a summary of it. Saying "JUST WATCH THE VIDEO IT'S HILARIOUS" isn't really enough. Mostly, provide a summary of the video. Put it in spoiler tags if you don't want people to be spoiled. Blogs are not meant to be a dumping ground; they're meant to be a place to post less-widely-relevant stuff, but there are still some standards for general interest (i.e., it needs to have some significance/interest to someone beyond merely you). That said, I didn't see your topic so I have no idea about that one in particular..
OK, thanks for that.
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PvZ Creep Tumors
didn't see it coming that It will be closed. I was going to provide a replay that it took around 12 minutes and still the creep wouldn't be removed. (then it got closed)
If you guys are still interested here is the rep:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/y1emionjojw/2010-04-15 21-29-06.SC2Replay
I'm sorry if I'm putting this in the why was my thread closed but I think this will be a serious matter in the future. (I'm sorry also if I made a mistake with this thread)
can't seem to recreate it, tried using the zerg computer.. I'll just rest this for the meantime.
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my post is back, sorry, you can delete this.
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So, my thread got closed and I got banned for a week. The reason (from Manifesto7) was "unacceptable thread in general." Now my question is, was the word general referring to the Forum area General, or was it simply saying that I made a thread that was unacceptable anywhere on this site? Can I put this in Broodwar?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119472
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i'm pretty sure he means everywhere on the site...
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Hi my thread was closed apparently it has got to do with beta keys giving away not being allowed in the sc2 forum however there are threads from like days before and mine got closed right after i made it and they told me to move it to blog.. why arent the pothers closed on sc2 forum why is mine\?
my thread is here btw
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=122196
thankyou in advance ps
I got my answer thanks hotbid.. sowwy for the inconvenience
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Calgary25951 Posts
The overarching idea is stupid. Yes, he wrote a lot, but he's basically arguing for all races to compressed into one, which is ludicrous. There is no value in that discussion.
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Kennigit
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There has been a series of threads with pretentious titles to suggest education and knowledge. However, they are mainly garbage. Here are some examples (made up, but you get the point).
"An Elegant Solution to Zerg Mobility in R2" "Paradoxical implementation of Art via the Transitive Balance Property" "The Metagame Flaw: An Analysis of The SC2 Mid-Game"
Then the OP writes a 6 page essay on something that is either fundamentally flawed, because they don't have a real understanding of the game (probably like less than 1% of people do at this point) and then asks biased questions. It leads to fruitless discussion - obviously nothing is going to change so why even waste time on it? I honestly feel like it makes us look stupid as a community, when an outsider looks in and sees these contrived essays about things that are really small when instead they could be focusing on playing the game.
Do you notice that top players like Nazgul, Nony, Day[9], Idra, don't make these types of threads or posts? It's always people with really basic understanding of the game or very few posts who are trying to either generate discussion/trying to make a name for themselves. I don't think discussion or debate is a bad thing - we want people to contribute, but don't have a discussion just for the sake of having one....Like we can talk about the animations of glave worms for 50 pages, but really its a stupid thread that doesn't matter.
Imagine Blizzard is reading the sc2 forum for feedback and sees and 10 page concise thread on the marauder/immortal/roach triangle. Or a 40 page series of essays on something that really has no game changing value. At some point, we have to draw a line or it just becomes a bunch of nerds sitting on rocking chairs with monocles popping and egos buffing (but not actually playing).
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I get your point. And I didnt want to argue the quality of the content in the thread, I agree it was lacking alot. All I would see though was a closed thread where people discussed with mutual respect, which is kinda rare on internet.
I can't agree on the top players part though, some of them can get really arrogant and stubborn when it comes to strategies, balance, etc. (threads like Micro where art thou & DA next metagame switch in PvZ are good examples I think) It often leads to a flamewar fest, or e.peen fights like "I am B, listen to me you D+ newb" - which makes us look stupid as well, imo.
Trash topic/good posts and good topic/trash posts is about the same to me, hence why I couldn't figure out why the thread was closed, but you have good points, and you are the boss!
thanks for the detailed answer
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Ah, great to see a thread like this exists. I was very frustrated these last hours because I thought I could not mention my case to anybody.
Link to the last page
I tried to follow the 4th commandment of the TL forum rules (ie. contribute something meaningful) and spend half a day writing up a little essay consisting of some of my thoughts related to the macro mechanics in Starcraft 2. It was, I feel, nicely done, with links and pictures and what not. I put a lot of effort into using correct English which is not easy for a German. It's certainly not a "great" article or nothing, maybe there are better topics, there are definitely better writers and players, but at least something halfway decent (let's say I kind of assumed it would at least be tolerated by the moderators). Three or four people even said "good read" etc. Also, it did spawn some good and constructive discussion in 92 replies (apart from the occasional hater or naysayer) which I tried to oversee and keep in a good, well-spirited direction.
Well, it got locked without a reason that I can understand and follow. Kennigit did it and said something about how it reminds him of people at Starbucks with their Mac Books? I would never go to Starbucks and I never used a Mac! All kidding aside: I know the image he's referring to but I absolutely do not get where that comes from. He calls my original post a "massive tirade" and I'm actually a little offended and don't quite think that's fair. On what grounds is my write-up a tirade?
He actually added a second post where he expresses anger at the title ("The Bane of Terran: Decision-Making") of the thread saying "decision making is an integral point of ANY game". I don't get that either, did he/you mean "race" with "game"? If so, isn't it a valid move to question whether the new macro mechanics for the races differ in terms of how much decision making they require from the player? If not, where's the problem? Yes, lots of games require decision making but this is a Starcraft site and that's what I'm talking about. I understand, however, that the title is a little dramatic, maybe over the top and would not have anything against a change at all.
I'm also irritated because I thought Teamliquid wanted its newer members to actually start making more meaningful posts as opposed to those pesky one-liners and I feel just that gets highly discouraged with this kind of moderation.
I love Starcraft and Starcraft 2 and I also love this website, I'd love to stay on good terms with everybody around and giving me a reason why my attempt at a first contribution failed would be a great start.
I'm not expecting the topic to get re-opened but a clear, proper reason would help me out a lot.
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Calgary25951 Posts
We want meaningful posts from newcomers but they've taken it to the extreme, making every OP some essay-length post just to say one or two things.
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Makes perfect sense. I wasn't sour about the thing being closed, it's just the way it happened and the reasons given seemed a tad bit offensive and even (at the least partially) insulting. If the closing note would have given that reason you put down there clearly from the beginning it would have saved me some nerves. :p
EDIT: Also, would it be possible to add that as a warning or something to the rules? That would have saved me half a day of writing, researching and putting things together.
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