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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 17 2010 20:31 GMT
#241
This thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144766 It's a giant poll and that's it. Those threads have been closed since the beginning of time.
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Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 23:33:03
August 17 2010 23:32 GMT
#242
Ah yes that one, was just gonna post it didn't know the closed threads forum existed before today. Figured I wanted to give all the options so we'd get a better result to as it is why it is. So just wondering hoping it doesnt sound "bitchy" why is it possible to make a 12 result poll when it's not allowed. And if I were to remake it with for example 5 poll options would it be allowed to exist?

Explains why another alot older thread of mine was removed too...

Thank you and sorry!
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bull0563
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
112 Posts
August 18 2010 12:14 GMT
#243
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145253
This thread was closed. Saying it was a blog and not a general sc2 thread. I kinda thought it was a general sc2 thread.
Anyways I clicked sc2 forums to find this blog thing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2
Didn't show there.

So going even further away from the place i wanted to post i found this.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=18
Where i can't even post.

So you are saying the thread's content does not comply to the TL quality standards?
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 13:34:27
August 18 2010 13:33 GMT
#244
Most of your complaints have already been discussed to death in numerous threads, so it doesn't really warrant a new thread. If you really need to make a thread about it, which I personally feel shouldn't be necessary (echoing Plexa's "if anything" here), it should be in blogs. You can't create a thread in the blog forum directly. Instead you have to first create your personal TL blog (see here. Once you have done that you can make blog entries by accessing the "Blogs" link which should by then have appeared in the top left next to "PM Profile Posts".
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 18 2010 19:27 GMT
#245
Its not my thread, and I wouldn't normally post here, but I really thought husky's academy thread was insightful, original, full of quality posts, and had an overall positive tone. For you guys to say "you're not a game designer" makes it sound like any balance/idea related thread should be closed. If we can't make threads like that, its very much stifling the discussion of the game and forum members as a whole ...
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 20:55:28
August 18 2010 20:45 GMT
#246
Yes, I will continue to close any balance thread in the Starcraft 2 section. Read on!

Starcraft players live in a world confined by rules (the game data is made by Blizzard - we can't change it). Posting how to bend those rules (glitches, tricks) is very valuable. Posting how to maximize our abilities in that world (strategy, tactics, mechanics build orders) is also very valuable. Identifying problems with the rules (racial balance threads, unit balance threads) help us to fully understand the potential of the rules. Asking for help about the world (help threads, posting replays) is encouraged.

However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was").

To further the analogy: Scientific threads would go in general; Medical breakthrough threads would go in general; Professional style and relationship advice would go in general; "I wish the universe was set up so when I closed my eyes lasers shot out of my fingers" would go in blogs.

Do you agree?
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mutant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States31 Posts
August 18 2010 22:06 GMT
#247
On August 19 2010 05:45 Chill wrote:
Yes, I will continue to close any balance thread in the Starcraft 2 section. Read on!

Starcraft players live in a world confined by rules (the game data is made by Blizzard - we can't change it). Posting how to bend those rules (glitches, tricks) is very valuable. Posting how to maximize our abilities in that world (strategy, tactics, mechanics build orders) is also very valuable. Identifying problems with the rules (racial balance threads, unit balance threads) help us to fully understand the potential of the rules. Asking for help about the world (help threads, posting replays) is encouraged.

However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was").

To further the analogy: Scientific threads would go in general; Medical breakthrough threads would go in general; Professional style and relationship advice would go in general; "I wish the universe was set up so when I closed my eyes lasers shot out of my fingers" would go in blogs.

Do you agree?


Now that I've read the explanation, I do agree with this. However, just reading the closing message, it didn't seem very clear. There is a clear and consistant set of rules being applied, but that wasn't obvious from the closing message you posted.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17249 Posts
August 18 2010 22:53 GMT
#248
On August 18 2010 05:30 Chill wrote:
I don't get why people do this. Yea, I could probably dig in the closed forum for it, but had you just provided a link I'd be way more willing to help you.

Ought to just make it mandatory -- no link = no answer.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 00:34:59
August 19 2010 00:18 GMT
#249
I want to say this here and now that I have this passion and desire to spread and share information to TLers that seems interesting and out of ordinary. Yes, I mean news and I try hard to dig up the most weirdest/interesting/wtf news only because I want to make their reading worthwhile as well as not to make the mistake of repeating the bad things that happen on the news. So I am a bit sad that my last news thread closed down because I did spread time to read various articles and found it obliged to give TLers the most interesting news I can find to inform them for those who don't read the news at all.

Sure, you may be thinking, if you want to read news, just go to news site and all, but most of you guys don't really do that. I highly doubt some people here know what goes on outside of TL or IRL b/c they play SC or something that doesn't have to do with information. That's where I want to come in by providing the most interesting news of the day... so I'm not allowed to do that? Is it wrong to educate TLers at least in this form of way?

Also want to add that, many others would always post news that they deem interesting on the forums and they don't get closed. Or is it that there have to be a certain qualifications/requirements to post such a news thread now? If so, what do you deem as to post a news thread. Because I don't get why I can't post 1 news thread per day when others do all the time.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 19 2010 00:58 GMT
#250
Link.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 19 2010 01:19 GMT
#251
On August 19 2010 05:45 Chill wrote:
However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was").


Right, I get it now.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
August 19 2010 01:56 GMT
#252
On August 19 2010 09:58 Chill wrote:
Link.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145417
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 19 2010 03:09 GMT
#253
On August 19 2010 09:18 QuickStriker wrote:
I want to say this here and now that I have this passion and desire to spread and share information to TLers that seems interesting and out of ordinary. Yes, I mean news and I try hard to dig up the most weirdest/interesting/wtf news only because I want to make their reading worthwhile as well as not to make the mistake of repeating the bad things that happen on the news. So I am a bit sad that my last news thread closed down because I did spread time to read various articles and found it obliged to give TLers the most interesting news I can find to inform them for those who don't read the news at all.

Sure, you may be thinking, if you want to read news, just go to news site and all, but most of you guys don't really do that. I highly doubt some people here know what goes on outside of TL or IRL b/c they play SC or something that doesn't have to do with information. That's where I want to come in by providing the most interesting news of the day... so I'm not allowed to do that? Is it wrong to educate TLers at least in this form of way?

Also want to add that, many others would always post news that they deem interesting on the forums and they don't get closed. Or is it that there have to be a certain qualifications/requirements to post such a news thread now? If so, what do you deem as to post a news thread. Because I don't get why I can't post 1 news thread per day when others do all the time.

Nobody else has ever made 1 news thread per day, and I don't think it would be a good thing. I'm glad you put more effort into your OP than most News threads, but I think Mani covered it well. That's really old and mundane news.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
August 19 2010 04:02 GMT
#254
On August 19 2010 12:09 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 09:18 QuickStriker wrote:
I want to say this here and now that I have this passion and desire to spread and share information to TLers that seems interesting and out of ordinary. Yes, I mean news and I try hard to dig up the most weirdest/interesting/wtf news only because I want to make their reading worthwhile as well as not to make the mistake of repeating the bad things that happen on the news. So I am a bit sad that my last news thread closed down because I did spread time to read various articles and found it obliged to give TLers the most interesting news I can find to inform them for those who don't read the news at all.

Sure, you may be thinking, if you want to read news, just go to news site and all, but most of you guys don't really do that. I highly doubt some people here know what goes on outside of TL or IRL b/c they play SC or something that doesn't have to do with information. That's where I want to come in by providing the most interesting news of the day... so I'm not allowed to do that? Is it wrong to educate TLers at least in this form of way?

Also want to add that, many others would always post news that they deem interesting on the forums and they don't get closed. Or is it that there have to be a certain qualifications/requirements to post such a news thread now? If so, what do you deem as to post a news thread. Because I don't get why I can't post 1 news thread per day when others do all the time.

Nobody else has ever made 1 news thread per day, and I don't think it would be a good thing. I'm glad you put more effort into your OP than most News threads, but I think Mani covered it well. That's really old and mundane news.

The news was realized 8/19/10 at 6 PM EST time and was considered the most popular viewed news at the cnn.com website. To count it old and mundane for such news that had so much attention is a bit uncalled for.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
August 19 2010 09:56 GMT
#255
No it isn't. It just means people who read CNN are stupid. It has been old news for a long time.

Interesting news where there is something to discuss is fine. Your daily news thread is not. Very rarely other people have brought in regular news, nobody has done it once a day, and in the end it has always turned into a forced endeavor.
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OHtRUe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States283 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 00:17:05
August 20 2010 00:15 GMT
#256
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710

I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
August 20 2010 00:49 GMT
#257
On August 19 2010 18:56 Manifesto7 wrote:
No it isn't. It just means people who read CNN are stupid. It has been old news for a long time.

Interesting news where there is something to discuss is fine. Your daily news thread is not. Very rarely other people have brought in regular news, nobody has done it once a day, and in the end it has always turned into a forced endeavor.

Once again, I want to correct this and say that the airline news has also been on WABC prime time news today as well as the noon time. As an intern at WABC news now, I get information and news coming in so quickly and fast that I have to constantly update and help manage the 7online.com website. So I want to claim that it's very recent news as it has been shown in AP, WABC, and CNN regarding this particular story I outlined yesterday. Calling it old news when three major media outlets reports it (and I will assume others as well like NY Times) is really sad to hear since I see it in front of my eyes.

Secondly, I am promoting and encouraging TLers to be more informative and active with reading and following information by doing this light news feed of top 1 story I can find per day. It's good for many reasons for both me and everyone else, where people will be more open to read news since like I mention, most of TLers here and you probably don't read as much news as you should. News and information is very important in this world currently and I want to encourage everyone to keep up with times and be informative and become stronger in mind.

Since I will only bring the most latest news per day, that's another reason why I feel is important. News thread are usually days old or weeks old even when it becomes outdated in the outside world which isn't good at all. Let's say you get this news today from me and it become a hot topic for a while in the real world, people can go outside freely and talk about this news instead of being blind about it and be the first one to start up the conversation or to lead it b/c you got the information faster. In any case, it's all good intention so I don't get why you can't see that at all.

Lastly, I am doing this for myself as well to keep a good habit to be pro-active and have a goodwill consistency that can enable me to be known as a more virtuous person. It's still an experiment to do this but it's something I want to keep a habit of and show that I can do something to TLers that is actually useful and easy for me to do. So in a sense, a PR stunt but not really, just another way to look at it.

I'm continuing this method today as I will try my hardest to find the most interesting news possible to share information to users and have an interesting heated discussion to exercise our minds. So please understand the good intentions of this and if you do wish to stop me, then give me set of good reasons why I'm not allowed to contribute to community at all. Thank you.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
August 20 2010 02:31 GMT
#258
On August 20 2010 09:15 OHtRUe wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710

I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely


Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well!


I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 02:54:18
August 20 2010 02:39 GMT
#259
On August 20 2010 09:49 QuickStriker wrote:
Once again, I want to correct this and say that the airline news has also been on WABC prime time news today as well as the noon time. As an intern at WABC news now, I get information and news coming in so quickly and fast that I have to constantly update and help manage the 7online.com website. So I want to claim that it's very recent news as it has been shown in AP, WABC, and CNN regarding this particular story I outlined yesterday. Calling it old news when three major media outlets reports it (and I will assume others as well like NY Times) is really sad to hear since I see it in front of my eyes.


If you have flown in the last two years, you know airlines charge more for certain coach seats. It is on TV to record people's outrage just like your thread was designed to do too.

Secondly, I am promoting and encouraging TLers to be more informative and active with reading and following information by doing this light news feed of top 1 story I can find per day. It's good for many reasons for both me and everyone else, where people will be more open to read news since like I mention, most of TLers here and you probably don't read as much news as you should. News and information is very important in this world currently and I want to encourage everyone to keep up with times and be informative and become stronger in mind.


You can't speak on how much news the "average TLer" reads or doesn't read. In fact, you have no idea.

Since I will only bring the most latest news per day, that's another reason why I feel is important. News thread are usually days old or weeks old even when it becomes outdated in the outside world which isn't good at all. Let's say you get this news today from me and it become a hot topic for a while in the real world, people can go outside freely and talk about this news instead of being blind about it and be the first one to start up the conversation or to lead it b/c you got the information faster. In any case, it's all good intention so I don't get why you can't see that at all.


Again, news threads are not weeks old by the time they come to TL. You are just making things up now.

Lastly, I am doing this for myself as well to keep a good habit to be pro-active and have a goodwill consistency that can enable me to be known as a more virtuous person. It's still an experiment to do this but it's something I want to keep a habit of and show that I can do something to TLers that is actually useful and easy for me to do. So in a sense, a PR stunt but not really, just another way to look at it.


I think posting a thread a day about a shocking news event, and then having 4 pages of people saying "omg that is nuts" and then having it devolve into four pages of flaming is not a great way to contribute. And guess what, "Man shot 21 times" is exactly the type of thread it will happen in. Trust me, I've been on TL long enough to know.

That isn't news anyway, it is just a distraction. Pure pulp.

I'm continuing this method today as I will try my hardest to find the most interesting news possible to share information to users and have an interesting heated discussion to exercise our minds. So please understand the good intentions of this and if you do wish to stop me, then give me set of good reasons why I'm not allowed to contribute to community at all. Thank you.


As I said before, we have had people do this in the past. In the end it becomes spammy and forced. If a news article is interesting, bring it. But don't just bring something once a day because you think that is contributing.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 03:04:17
August 20 2010 02:57 GMT
#260
If you have flown in the last two years, you know airlines charge more for certain coach seats. It is on TV to record people's outrage just like your thread was designed to do too.


Media companies and TV news don't bring out old infos that's already been presented in the past. It may be similar, there may be changes, but it's called news b/c it is a NEW development or a NEW story or a NEW part that is in the story. If TV is to record people's outrage instead of informing society the world, then you're saying TV isn't real news at all. And for the case of WABC news, they take their info from AP and print media first to confirm as well as various other sources to check before reporting. So does that mean print media (newspaper) aren't news at all?

You can't speak on how much news the "average TLer" reads or doesn't read. In fact, you have no idea.


I've been around here for 2 years and I noticed just how uneducated some people are. Even when I log onto IRC chat of TL, I cannot find anyone who reads and follows the news unless I present it to them. I've also try to discuss what's happening on the world currently to people in TL via other methods and I realize they don't know what's going on unless it's presented by someone else like me. Maybe I overreacted but I do believe TLers have the right and the need to be more informed of the world.

Again, news threads are not weeks old by the time they come to TL. You are just making things up now.


I've check on the sources often when news are presented and some have been outdated when they posted on TL. I know not all of them are like that but it happens a lot and I want to make sure whoever post news make it sure it's current and new rather than a has been news. Old news can be presented if they're something no one knew and there's no developing followup but able to be current all the time is better and I don't see that all the time.

I think posting a thread a day about a shocking news event, and then having 4 pages of people saying "omg that is nuts" and then having it devolve into four pages of flaming is not a great way to contribute. And guess what, "Man shot 21 times" is exactly the type of thread it will happen in. Trust me, I've been on TL long enough to know.


If you actually read the article and the stories before that, it is actually a series story with a horrible sad report. It's insane and disturbing but I told you, it's what I feel is the most shocking to me and can deem as news worthy. I'm acting as a presenter like an anchor reporting the news only because I have the passion to as well as a practice if I ever decide to take that route. Yet you would shut such news down from me because of your opinions and thoughts saying they're not good enough for you or it won't go the way you want it to be? You probably didn't know about that story until I presented that to you and if you actually did read the 2 stories I linked, you would noticed that besides the title name, it was actually a big big news here in NYC.

[/QUOTE]As I said before, we have had people do this in the past. In the end it becomes spammy and forced. If a news article is interesting, bring it. But don't just bring something once a day because you think that is contributing.[/QUOTE]

Just because people have done it in the past and failed, you're saying I'll automatically 100% fail? I brought an interesting article b/c it was considered news worthy and interesting to share and inform the TLers. Yet the past news thread I've researched and tried to bring out were all shut down completely by you. So I can't have my own title for the news? In the end, I still bring the title of the article in the OP so basically the methods I'm doing is just good enough in your eyes. Is that how it is?



I don't mean to flame or hit on you but I'm a little pissed closing 2 news thread the past 2 days that I found to be interesting to share only to say that it's some sort of a joke news and there's nothing serious about it.
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