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Osaka27178 Posts
Well then we will have to agree to disagree. I brought the issue up in the moderation forum, and if they think it is a great feature I won't close it. But I think it is rubbish, and I think your motivation for doing it is rubbish. Use your blog to educate the unwashed masses.
And you are right, I haven't heard of the 21 shot guy. You know why it is big news though? Because of the number of bullets. That is it. It is pulp news that they drop before the commercial break to get you to come back after the commercial break. If it was one bullet, it wouldn't be news. If you think that
If you think media companies don't recycle news, you are really out of the loop. In the world of 24-hour media cycles, every station has filler stories that they use to keep their viewers at graphed points of the day (where they are likely to switch away). There is a whole science behind it.
Saying that you go to IRC, can't talk about the news, and then think that TL'ers aren't educated isn't going to win you any points. First of all, watching news does not equal education. If you want to argue that they are not current in their knowledge of recent events because of an IRC channel, you just look foolish. I don't go to the strippers to talk economics, don't go to IRC to discuss the news.
So yeah, lose the pompus attitude and use your blog if you want to proselytize the TL population to the wonders of main stream media. Otherwise, go somewhere else.
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On August 20 2010 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote:
Well then we will have to agree to disagree. I brought the issue up in the moderation forum, and if they think it is a great feature I won't close it. But I think it is rubbish, and I think your motivation for doing it is rubbish. Use your blog to educate the unwashed masses.
My blogs is used for my personal experience and personal things where I am to be bias at all cost. I prefer to have news thread separate on general forum to share and provide. Either that or why won't you or anyone here actually look at my "Non-TL News Forum" thread at this website feedback forum that I presented since that's being ignored many times. I'm not stopping this method since I finally found an idea and method that is best suited to do something to TL and yet it's being shut down the moment I do anything b/c you don't like it. So hopefully I get an answer whether there will be a Non-TL News Forum or I can continue to post in General Forums since that's where real life news go anyway without that idea I presented.
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On August 20 2010 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote:
And you are right, I haven't heard of the 21 shot guy. You know why it is big news though? Because of the number of bullets. That is it. It is pulp news that they drop before the commercial break to get you to come back after the commercial break. If it was one bullet, it wouldn't be news. If you think that
If you think media companies don't recycle news, you are really out of the loop. In the world of 24-hour media cycles, every station has filler stories that they use to keep their viewers at graphed points of the day (where they are likely to switch away). There is a whole science behind it.
Saying that you go to IRC, can't talk about the news, and then think that TL'ers aren't educated isn't going to win you any points. First of all, watching news does not equal education. If you want to argue that they are not current in their knowledge of recent events because of an IRC channel, you just look foolish. I don't go to the strippers to talk economics, don't go to IRC to discuss the news.
So yeah, lose the pompus attitude and use your blog if you want to proselytize the TL population to the wonders of main stream media. Otherwise, go somewhere else.
I'll comment on this now, starting with the first paragraph. If you go to CNN.com or 7online.com, there are plenty of other news stories, like tens and lots of them that aren't as big as this or presented differently yet posted on the website. I said I only posted the most interesting news of the day that I see after researching. One bullet would be news b/c it's not the bullets that was news here, it was the incident of a block party at Harlem resulted into violence that allowed conflict between people to people, then people to cops, then now court.
Media companies do recycle news but you're like saying THEY'RE DOING IT ALL THE TIME. I started my internship at WABC this week and after experiencing their methods of maintaining 7online.com, they take their info from AP (and give credit to them as it's legal) and other sources after research. Filler stories are still considered news b/c they're new development, new things, new something. They aren't going to present a story that's a week old obviously, b/c their job is to present something completely new at that time filler, serious, comedy, or w/e.
Fine, I won't win any points on IRC, talking to TL on streams, or w/e. But read what I wrote on other parts about why I feel news is important. And I told you that I'm not going to blog, so if thats your answer saying blog or don't do it at all, then fine, I'll stop this pursuit of passion to share information and keep all the news to myself like I've always been. I'll just settle for something else that hopefully you will like and won't shut it down. It's no longer my job to share and hope to educate and help TLers with news anymore b/c you won't approve of it.
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United States24801 Posts
QS if you want to push through some type of a personal initiative to help TL on a regular basis then Manifesto7 is right that it should go in a blog because it's a personal thing.
If you see a really interesting news article then the precedent is that you can definitely do it in general for discussion but... more than once every week or so probably won't fly regardless of who it is or why they are doing it.
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On August 20 2010 11:31 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well! I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section.
Let me ask you this, do you disagree? Can you prove that i'm wrong? If you can honestly disprove my points i wont argue with this. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. There is no way to argue that wide open seconds and cramped maps dont favor Zerg and that you're saying that having a back door doesn't create more All in opportunities pretty much means I cant call anything a fact. But then again i guess im just whining about imbalance.....
Honestly if I can't discuss/ "whine" (which is a terrible word by the way s) about perfectly reasonable topics that should be talked about then whats the point of these forums? To talk about how to create Zerg Tears?(which was never closed by the way) I get where your coming from, but come on.....
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United States22883 Posts
It's possible to make a clear, level headed argument on why the current pool of maps favors T in ZvT, but that's not what you did. The difference is between making a logical structured argument and an emotional call to arms.
I happen to agree with your argument but that's not the way to do it, and it's certainly not the way to realize that change. That's just a ranty opinion piece, and it's not thread worthy.
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Osaka27178 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:29 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 11:31 Manifesto7 wrote:On August 20 2010 09:15 OHtRUe wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well! I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section. Let me ask you this, do you disagree? Can you prove that i'm wrong? If you can honestly disprove my points i wont argue with this. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. There is no way to argue that wide open seconds and cramped maps dont favor Zerg and that you're saying that having a back door doesn't create more All in opportunities pretty much means I cant call anything a fact. But then again i guess im just whining about imbalance..... Honestly if I can't discuss/ "whine" (which is a terrible word by the way s) about perfectly reasonable topics that should be talked about then whats the point of these forums? To talk about how to create Zerg Tears?(which was never closed by the way) I get where your coming from, but come on.....
I agree completely about it. But the way you presented your argument was extremely poor, and took away from the main point you are trying to make.
Also, it is a much better thread if you actually have something to share (like say you had made a map) then just yelling at a game company and community to do something without doing anything yourself.
The point of the forums is to make the community better. Not to sit back and point out flaws which you aren't willing to help solve yourself.
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Calgary26003 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:29 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 11:31 Manifesto7 wrote:On August 20 2010 09:15 OHtRUe wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well! I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran.
I don't agree with this.
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United States24801 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:19 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 14:29 OHtRUe wrote:On August 20 2010 11:31 Manifesto7 wrote:On August 20 2010 09:15 OHtRUe wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well! I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. I don't agree with this.
Yeah that is nowhere near unanimous at all.
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Threads like this are unacceptable. There is a section of the forum specifically made for "why was my thread closed" but making a new blog to bitch about another being closed is bad.
Please stop.
A quote from admin regarding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149955
I get it that you can't make blog posts complaining about why my other blog post was locked, this was not the case so I wonder why it's not acceptable to have a blogpost discussing views/posts/locked? It's just a discussion
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Other than the thread you just linked I dont see any another recent thread/blog made by you, so I am thoroughly confused. Maybe you're drunk?
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On September 04 2010 07:25 Carnac wrote:
Other than the thread you just linked I dont see any another recent thread/blog made by you, so I am thoroughly confused. Maybe you're drunk?
I am not drunk  Well maybe I was yesterday by a little bit, but anyway this is the blog I was talking about in my recent post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144980
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United States24801 Posts
I honestly am not sure what you are asking us.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Your blog was closed because it was really bad.
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USA29055 Posts
and tbh you are like 1 maybe 2 more threads of that level away from getting a temp ban dude.
A video with a random cartoon video that means NOTHING and no explanation is a terrible blog.. you seriously asking why it was closed?
I had just closed a blog bitching about a blog being closed by you too. Shape up or ship out plz.
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It's not my thread but I thought that "Why zerg is weak" was a good post, even if the discussion was shit.  Everyone acts like they "know" what's wrong yet fail to discuss it coherently. This actually had a coherent layout of practical and "researched" knowledge. Anyways, just a complaint about the closing cause I liked the content, it made sense to me.
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United States22883 Posts
All of those points had been made in previous balance threads. The only difference is that a Korean forum poster wrote it so that banned idiot thought it was of extra value.
Unless it's written by Check or July, I see no reason to bring over balance complaints from no name Koreans. Their views are no more important than no name Westerners'.
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Osaka27178 Posts
On September 06 2010 00:38 The PWNion wrote:even if the discussion was shit.
A non-shit discussion is a prerequisite for a non-closed thread.
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Jibba, I don't agree with your reasoning for closing any and all threads related to changes or adjustments in regards to balance. People need to express their thoughts and/or opinions on the current state of the game's mechanics and units if we want this game to progress and develop further. Yes, the game is relatively new but why would it hurt to have a meaningful discussion that could influence the Blizzard dev team? Constructive criticism and brainstorming ideas is never a bad thing, especially if it may result in a positive change in the game.
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United States22883 Posts
They can express them to Blizzard if they so choose. What we have now is a bunch of people with no credentials throwing out hair brained ideas on how they think the game should be fixed. This isn't WoW and we're no longer in Beta. If everyone's ideas for balanced were published in the SC2 forums, it'd just be B.net forums without the memes. Blizzard isn't going to restructure the Protoss tech tree or change how Inject works, and I don't accept undefined, unsupported premises like "zerg is too hard."
This is not the place to discuss how everyone would like the game to be, this is the place to discuss how the game is and how to improve at the current game we are all playing.
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