I was just wondering about the ELO system? I think this is potentially a really powerful aspect of TLPD, but I'm not sure it's working correctly, unless there's something I don't understand. The lowest player, pokju, is almost 1900. Is there a way to adjust the formula to get a better range? Even players who lose more than they win are way above 1600, which I thought was the starting level. Again, I'm not an expert in ELO, I just know that in Chess at least all of these people would be super high rated.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

November 03 2007 19:00 GMT

#282

It starts at 2000. It could probably stand to be tweaked, given that it varies no more than 15%, but I don't know all that much about ELO either.

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 03 2007 19:02 GMT

#283

We're using 2000 as the starting level (as gravity suggested to me iirc). Should we change?

edit: beaten to it

Also, K (the ELO formula constant) currently equals 40 if one of the players has played less than 20 games, and 20 otherwise.

bine

United States2352 Posts

November 03 2007 19:04 GMT

#284

Oh no, that makes sense. Maybe just somehow increasing the range might make it more differentiated or something. It would just be nice to feel like the top people were waay higher than the bottom people, because just in terms of pure feeling, 1890 doesn't feel THAT different from 2200

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

November 03 2007 19:15 GMT

#285

I could see it varying maybe 50% more (1800-2500), but really, the skill levels in pro BW don't vary all that much. The top 4-5 are better than anyone else, but they're far from unbeatable.

Also, worse players play far less games. I'm not sure what effect this has on ELO, other than that the numbers won't go very low.

Aepplet

Sweden2908 Posts

November 03 2007 22:34 GMT

#286

I just noticed there is a game missing between (Z)

Nal_keke and (T)

go.go during GOMTV MSL S2, group stage.

(Z)

Nal_keke < (T)

Hwasin

go.go <

910

Hwasin >

910

Nal_keke < (T)

go.go <--- this game
(T)

go.go <

910

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

November 03 2007 22:46 GMT

#287

Thanks, it was set as Jju instead of Keke, fixed. KeSPA's fault. :p

Aepplet

Sweden2908 Posts

November 03 2007 22:55 GMT

#288

what happens to ELO and stuff if you do these kind of changes? does it recalculate everything or it fucks up?

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 03 2007 23:27 GMT

#289

It recalculates everything each time a game is edited/added/deleted.

Aepplet

Sweden2908 Posts

November 04 2007 10:39 GMT

#290

that's a relief =)

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

November 04 2007 16:06 GMT

#291

Whew, with the new spoiler-free VOD list, I can finally watch VODs right from TLPD.

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 04 2007 16:13 GMT

#292

On November 05 2007 01:06 Jyvblamo wrote:
Whew, with the new spoiler-free VOD list, I can finally watch VODs right from TLPD.

The game count can still spoil a bit though (like, if there are only 3 games in a bo5). This will be fixed once games can be grouped into matches/series.

bine

United States2352 Posts

November 05 2007 16:24 GMT

#293

I'll just put this here since it involves tlpd and I know PoP reads this:

When thinking about liquibet, I constantly click on "stats," intuitively thinking that this link will take me to TLPD where I can look at a breakdown of the player's performance. Instead it takes me to the liquibet stats, which aren't as helpful. Since they may be helpful for some people, though, would it be possible just to add a TLPD link there in addition? It would make it much easier, where now for each player I have to open a new tab, navigate to tl.net and search for the name. Just an idea. Thanks!

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 05 2007 16:57 GMT

#294

lol you must have tried to click stats on new/unknown players only or something, because 95% of the "stats" links do point to the TLPD. The ones who don't will need be updated (this is because Liquibet is totally disconnected from the player database right now).

bine

United States2352 Posts

November 05 2007 17:31 GMT

#295

ahhhh, I see. thanks ^^

pachi

Melbourne5338 Posts

November 08 2007 02:15 GMT

#296

On the Team League page, the Shinhan Proleague Round 2 is listed as the year 1999 so it gets thrown to the bottom.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

November 08 2007 02:27 GMT

#297

Thanks, someone had added a game with no date set.

InRaged

1047 Posts

November 08 2007 14:34 GMT

#298

On November 06 2007 01:57 PoP wrote:
lol you must have tried to click stats on new/unknown players only or something, because 95% of the "stats" links do point to the TLPD. The ones who don't will need be updated (this is because Liquibet is totally disconnected from the player database right now).

In Power Rank all "stats" links point to Liquibet

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 08 2007 17:13 GMT

#299

Updates:
1. RSS feeds now available on game lists (overall game list, player's game list, league's game list, map's game list). Spoiler-free versions available too.
2. Leagues are now associated with their main TL thread (unless we forgot to link them).
3. Player's profile can now display the whole list of leagues players participated in (not only the ones where they finished top-3).

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

November 09 2007 13:46 GMT

#300

It's probably been said already, but i'm not reading through this entire 15 page thread

Maybe users with 1000 posts can edit it, as to take some of the responsibility off of the admins, and if you make it here with 1000 posts your probably not going to try to fuck with somethign and get a ban. Plus it would mean more frequent updates.