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On October 21 2017 21:09 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 15:32 Nixer wrote:...Nobody actually wants to see you suffer, that's nonsense.
... Welllll... about that... Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 08:56 Nevuk wrote:
it'll ruin a great part of the fun if he actually uses it. As for the rest of you telling zlefin to "harden up" or what have you: + Show Spoiler +On October 21 2017 10:37 Plansix wrote:
This can easily be solved by getting over yourself. Having to see posts from people you don't like in a forum you willing participate is nothing. If you think that is suffering, go aquire some context. On October 21 2017 12:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol. If this qualifies as "suffering" for you, you probably need it. I invite you to read, for example, this: http://hackinghappiness.com.au/is-it-ok-to-tell-people-to-harden-up/And yes, people being nasty on an internet forum isn't necessarily on the level of the problems discussed in that article. But if one of the regular offenders made an argument along the lines of: "Actors wearing blackface isn't on the level of actual economic injustice, so I don't think blackface is a problem worth making a fuss over, harden up and get over it." I'm sure you would find the logical flaw in that argument and be up in arms over it. Now take a look at yourselves. And if he's in fact right that it seems like an entirely reasonable request. Even if it's not going to get implemented for practical reasons, reasonable requests should not be met with the response I just saw.
The great part of the fun I'm referring to are his attempts to backseat moderate, mostly. The actual whining is more annoying than enjoyable.
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On October 21 2017 21:09 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 15:32 Nixer wrote:...Nobody actually wants to see you suffer, that's nonsense.
... Welllll... about that... Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 08:56 Nevuk wrote:
it'll ruin a great part of the fun if he actually uses it. As for the rest of you telling zlefin to "harden up" or what have you: + Show Spoiler +On October 21 2017 10:37 Plansix wrote:
This can easily be solved by getting over yourself. Having to see posts from people you don't like in a forum you willing participate is nothing. If you think that is suffering, go aquire some context. On October 21 2017 12:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol. If this qualifies as "suffering" for you, you probably need it. I invite you to read, for example, this: http://hackinghappiness.com.au/is-it-ok-to-tell-people-to-harden-up/And yes, people being nasty on an internet forum isn't necessarily on the level of the problems discussed in that article. But if one of the regular offenders made an argument along the lines of: "Actors wearing blackface isn't on the level of actual economic injustice, so I don't think blackface is a problem worth making a fuss over, harden up and get over it." I'm sure you would find the logical flaw in that argument and be up in arms over it. Now take a look at yourselves. And if he's in fact right that it seems like an entirely reasonable request. Even if it's not going to get implemented for practical reasons, reasonable requests should not be met with the response I just saw.
That zlefin likes to dish it out but can't take it is exactly the kind of behavior that deserves such a response IMO. If I didn't have several hate PM's sitting in my inbox from zlefin I might be more receptive to this argument. But he literally already says he's going to shit talk then ignore the response, giving him "ignore" would just exasperate that issue.
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On October 22 2017 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 21:09 Aquanim wrote:On October 21 2017 15:32 Nixer wrote:...Nobody actually wants to see you suffer, that's nonsense.
... Welllll... about that... On October 21 2017 08:56 Nevuk wrote:
it'll ruin a great part of the fun if he actually uses it. As for the rest of you telling zlefin to "harden up" or what have you: + Show Spoiler +On October 21 2017 10:37 Plansix wrote:
This can easily be solved by getting over yourself. Having to see posts from people you don't like in a forum you willing participate is nothing. If you think that is suffering, go aquire some context. On October 21 2017 12:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol. If this qualifies as "suffering" for you, you probably need it. I invite you to read, for example, this: http://hackinghappiness.com.au/is-it-ok-to-tell-people-to-harden-up/And yes, people being nasty on an internet forum isn't necessarily on the level of the problems discussed in that article. But if one of the regular offenders made an argument along the lines of: "Actors wearing blackface isn't on the level of actual economic injustice, so I don't think blackface is a problem worth making a fuss over, harden up and get over it." I'm sure you would find the logical flaw in that argument and be up in arms over it. Now take a look at yourselves. And if he's in fact right that places that have and don't have ignore; it works FAR better with ignore. it seems like an entirely reasonable request. Even if it's not going to get implemented for practical reasons, reasonable requests should not be met with the response I just saw. That zlefin likes to dish it out but can't take it is exactly the kind of behavior that deserves such a response IMO. If I didn't have several hate PM's sitting in my inbox from zlefin I might be more receptive to this argument. But he literally already says he's going to shit talk then ignore the response, giving him "ignore" would just exasperate that issue.
If what you meant was "you're no better than anybody else", then maybe that's what you should have said.
What you actually said was very different.
I also think he probably wouldn't shit talk you to any meaningful degree if he couldn't see your posts. To say otherwise is a pretty significant accusation of bad faith.
EDIT: I think it's also a fundamental misrepresentation to say that zlefin is looking to create an echo chamber. Not wanting to read the posts of shitposters is a different thing to not wanting to read the posts of people one disagrees with.
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On October 22 2017 09:02 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2017 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 21 2017 21:09 Aquanim wrote:On October 21 2017 15:32 Nixer wrote:...Nobody actually wants to see you suffer, that's nonsense.
... Welllll... about that... On October 21 2017 08:56 Nevuk wrote:
it'll ruin a great part of the fun if he actually uses it. As for the rest of you telling zlefin to "harden up" or what have you: + Show Spoiler +On October 21 2017 10:37 Plansix wrote:
This can easily be solved by getting over yourself. Having to see posts from people you don't like in a forum you willing participate is nothing. If you think that is suffering, go aquire some context. On October 21 2017 12:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol. If this qualifies as "suffering" for you, you probably need it. I invite you to read, for example, this: http://hackinghappiness.com.au/is-it-ok-to-tell-people-to-harden-up/And yes, people being nasty on an internet forum isn't necessarily on the level of the problems discussed in that article. But if one of the regular offenders made an argument along the lines of: "Actors wearing blackface isn't on the level of actual economic injustice, so I don't think blackface is a problem worth making a fuss over, harden up and get over it." I'm sure you would find the logical flaw in that argument and be up in arms over it. Now take a look at yourselves. And if he's in fact right that places that have and don't have ignore; it works FAR better with ignore. it seems like an entirely reasonable request. Even if it's not going to get implemented for practical reasons, reasonable requests should not be met with the response I just saw. That zlefin likes to dish it out but can't take it is exactly the kind of behavior that deserves such a response IMO. If I didn't have several hate PM's sitting in my inbox from zlefin I might be more receptive to this argument. But he literally already says he's going to shit talk then ignore the response, giving him "ignore" would just exasperate that issue. If what you meant was "you're no better than anybody else", then maybe that's what you should have said. What you actually said was very different. I also think he probably wouldn't shit talk you to any meaningful degree if he couldn't see your posts. To say otherwise is a pretty significant accusation of bad faith. EDIT: I think it's also a fundamental misrepresentation to say that zlefin is looking to create an echo chamber. Not wanting to read the posts of shitposters is a different thing to not wanting to read the posts of people one disagrees with.
Not sure you're aware of how long zlefin's shitposter list is.
I don't really care enough to argue about it though, so think what you want.
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am i the only person to have gotten a nice PM from zlefin? if so i suppose it's a dubious honor.
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On October 23 2017 22:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
am i the only person to have gotten a nice PM from zlefin? if so i suppose it's a dubious honor.
The one where he calls you a shitposter or the one where he says your notso bad?
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On October 23 2017 22:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
am i the only person to have gotten a nice PM from zlefin? if so i suppose it's a dubious honor.
Just shitposting, then deplorable, then
You are an evil person, who wishes to spread suffering around the world.
There's got to be another person that didn't quarrel with him to get some accolades though.
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But, you are a shitposter. The other is probable, and the last debatable.
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On October 24 2017 20:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
But, you are a shitposter. The other is probable, and the last debatable.
lol I'm getting all the warm fuzzies. Shitposter, probable deplorable, debatable evil person who wishes to spread suffering around the world. Pile on the love, shitposters.
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Hey, you might think it's unfair, but I had just read this:On October 24 2017 15:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 14:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 24 2017 13:41 Danglars wrote:On October 24 2017 11:38 farvacola wrote:On October 24 2017 11:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:On October 24 2017 10:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On October 24 2017 06:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:
To me it really is about expectations. As horrible as Trump is, no policy he has advocated is even remotely close to as bad as the policy Kim continuously executes. To claim otherwise you really have to be completely blind to just how terrible North Korea is. But whereas Kim III is basically the same as Kim I and II, Trump is by a tremendously huge margin the worst American president of my lifetime. I think they're both fairly rational from their own pov, but Trump is less competent with regard to fulfilling his agenda than Kim is with regard to fulfilling his. And then, even with rapid decline of American influence and the rapid increase of North Korean nuclear capabilities, the US still continues to be a much more significant global actor. North Korea's terribleness saddens me on behalf of all North Koreans, but not beyond that. Trump's America makes the entire world a less safe and worse place to be.
You could probably argue that if you had someone with Trump's personality installed as a North Korean dictator, he'd rival the Kims. But there's still a world of difference between what flies in the US and what flies in North Korea. Trump might not be as elocuent as Obama, but he is yet to destroy the middle east or stagnate the U.S. economy for multiple years. Placing the blame on Obama for what Bush Jr. did isn't a reasonable comparison. Neither is responding to claims of Trumpist love for Breitbart and Infowars with "but WaPo and CNN are just as bad!", but hey, what can ya do. You've got to laugh at politics more. He does absurd things and he'll do damage as a quasi-leader (more of a symbol) of a rebellious movement to politics. The movement's real and the problems are real. You're still stuck on the figurehead and not why he's up behind podiums. I don't consider taking the easy way out by blaming malicious moron voters or race is actually trying to find out the why. When you build a country on the backs of exploited people, and you want to continue to enjoy that privilege, you eventually have to choose between exploiting more of the in-group and/or exploiting the out-group more ruthlessly. Well, that’s the reductive and detestable opinion that did its part to elect Trump. Hate your country, think slavery is its original sin and life force? Sign up for the Democratic Party where it’s all in for white guilt and class and race warfare! I had to double check the poster name to make sure it wasn’t a parody of sincerely held views.
just before I read this thread. If that's isn't pure shitposting, probably deplorable, then what is?
Though you seem to take it rather personally, like I particularily care about your feelings.
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On October 23 2017 22:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
am i the only person to have gotten a nice PM from zlefin? if so i suppose it's a dubious honor.
I've gotten a nice PM from him as well.
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I have gotten a nice PM from zlefin as well.
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zlefin and i have decided to start a campaign in a bid for the congressional seat in Indiana's tenth district
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I only have one PM from zlefin, sent long ago, and it was in response to me having encouraged him to continue arguing with an unreportable staff poster.
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On October 25 2017 00:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Hey, you might think it's unfair, but I had just read this: Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 15:34 Danglars wrote:On October 24 2017 14:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 24 2017 13:41 Danglars wrote:On October 24 2017 11:38 farvacola wrote:On October 24 2017 11:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:On October 24 2017 10:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On October 24 2017 06:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:
To me it really is about expectations. As horrible as Trump is, no policy he has advocated is even remotely close to as bad as the policy Kim continuously executes. To claim otherwise you really have to be completely blind to just how terrible North Korea is. But whereas Kim III is basically the same as Kim I and II, Trump is by a tremendously huge margin the worst American president of my lifetime. I think they're both fairly rational from their own pov, but Trump is less competent with regard to fulfilling his agenda than Kim is with regard to fulfilling his. And then, even with rapid decline of American influence and the rapid increase of North Korean nuclear capabilities, the US still continues to be a much more significant global actor. North Korea's terribleness saddens me on behalf of all North Koreans, but not beyond that. Trump's America makes the entire world a less safe and worse place to be.
You could probably argue that if you had someone with Trump's personality installed as a North Korean dictator, he'd rival the Kims. But there's still a world of difference between what flies in the US and what flies in North Korea. Trump might not be as elocuent as Obama, but he is yet to destroy the middle east or stagnate the U.S. economy for multiple years. Placing the blame on Obama for what Bush Jr. did isn't a reasonable comparison. Neither is responding to claims of Trumpist love for Breitbart and Infowars with "but WaPo and CNN are just as bad!", but hey, what can ya do. You've got to laugh at politics more. He does absurd things and he'll do damage as a quasi-leader (more of a symbol) of a rebellious movement to politics. The movement's real and the problems are real. You're still stuck on the figurehead and not why he's up behind podiums. I don't consider taking the easy way out by blaming malicious moron voters or race is actually trying to find out the why. When you build a country on the backs of exploited people, and you want to continue to enjoy that privilege, you eventually have to choose between exploiting more of the in-group and/or exploiting the out-group more ruthlessly. Well, that’s the reductive and detestable opinion that did its part to elect Trump. Hate your country, think slavery is its original sin and life force? Sign up for the Democratic Party where it’s all in for white guilt and class and race warfare! I had to double check the poster name to make sure it wasn’t a parody of sincerely held views. just before I read this thread. If that's isn't pure shitposting, probably deplorable, then what is? Though you seem to take it rather personally, like I particularily care about your feelings.
A very apt criticism of a reductive and detestable opinion.
Like I said, you calling me a shitposter, probable deplorable, and debatably an evil person who wishes to spread suffering around the world tells me quite a bit about you. Toodles.
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I have never gotten the zlefin hate mail and I feel left out. It’s probably because I stopped responding to him.
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It's not that eventful to be honest. Mostly you get called a shitposter.
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I was an idiot not a shitposter, is there a ranking?
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i think he considers just about everyone is a shitposter but then there are classifications like idiot, deplorable, etc.
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On October 27 2017 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
i think he considers just about everyone is a shitposter but then there are classifications like idiot, deplorable, etc.
You can imagine it’s R1CH’s bot to classify shitty posters come alive, if anyone remembers.
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