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Hello there, this comes from an eSports fan who found out about TL.net by falling in love with Broodwar in 2010.
I don't know if you guys saw how many specs did CS had on the IEM S6 WC. well, there were 70,000+ watching the final via the streams in english, russian, polish, etc. That's a lot, but its not really a surprise because CS 1.6 has been strongly on top of the FPS genre for its entire existence, which is around 12 years now.
I think it could be really nice to see TL.net with a CS section, especially since you got some old ass CS players like me around the forums posting about classic/modern CS here and there. It'd be nice to see TL supporting one of those old eSports communities that love their game and keep playing and following its pro scene no matter what.
If you lack of manpower to handle a new section I was thinking that I could help you when it comes to announce international tournaments, writting previews, and things like that because I'd really love to give you guys a share of how tasty a top level CS tournament is.
So what do you guys think, would you like me to start some topics first to see how the TL.net users respond to 'em? thats more than okay to me. I'm posting this now because I want to let you know what I think and I want to know what the TL staff thinks about this.
TL.net HWAITING!
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There isn't enough interest on TL to warrant an entire subforum for CS. Unlike the DOTA 2, League of Legends, and Diablo 3 subforums there aren't new heroes or character builds or anything else to discuss.
Off the top of my head... EVE, Battlefield 3, Minecraft, Maplestory, Skyrim, etc all have much, much more interest here on TL than CS 1.6 + Source + Go combined and none of them have their own subforum. There's really just no need at all for a CS subforum.
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On March 15 2012 03:49 Serejai wrote:
There isn't enough interest on TL to warrant an entire subforum for CS. Unlike the DOTA 2, League of Legends, and Diablo 3 subforums there aren't new heroes or character builds or anything else to discuss.
Off the top of my head... EVE, Battlefield 3, Minecraft, Maplestory, Skyrim, etc all have much, much more interest here on TL than CS 1.6 + Source + Go combined and none of them have their own subforum. There's really just no need at all for a CS subforum.
well, that's mainly because those are new games, CS doesn't get too much attention here because you don't just go buy the game finish single player/get to the level cap and lose interest on it. CS as a competitive game has more topics to talk about than any of those games but you can't just simply expect it to hit if you don't have an exclusive room for it on the forums. Im sure that if we start opening topics about CS' competitive aspect it's very likely that it will atract the attention from competitive users.
The idea is mostly about giving the competitive CS scene a little space in here so people interested can know exactly where to find everything about it. I've seen a decent amount of topics about top level CS matches in here, those get dumped to the last pages almost instantly because they share space with lots of sports and games in the Sports & Games section.
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On March 15 2012 04:16 jumbotroN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 03:49 Serejai wrote:
There isn't enough interest on TL to warrant an entire subforum for CS. Unlike the DOTA 2, League of Legends, and Diablo 3 subforums there aren't new heroes or character builds or anything else to discuss.
Off the top of my head... EVE, Battlefield 3, Minecraft, Maplestory, Skyrim, etc all have much, much more interest here on TL than CS 1.6 + Source + Go combined and none of them have their own subforum. There's really just no need at all for a CS subforum. well, that's mainly because those are new games, CS doesn't get too much attention here because you don't just go buy the game finish single player/get to the level cap and lose interest on it. CS as a competitive game has more topics to talk about than any of those games but you can't just simply expect it to hit if you don't have an exclusive room for it on the forums. Im sure that if we start opening topics about CS' competitive aspect it's very likely that it will atract the attention from competitive users. The idea is mostly about giving the competitive CS scene a little space in here so people interested can know exactly where to find everything about it. I've seen a decent amount of topics about top level CS matches in here, those get dumped to the last pages almost instantly because topics about it are only on the Sports & Games section.
The problem here is you're putting the cart before the horse. You create a subforum as a result of interest, not to create interest.
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I think having it as one thread is good enough, there will be other websites to carry the load on the news and events. I do miss Gotfrag though that was a nice site for a while, maybe MLG will do something with it, and turn it back into the FPS news site it used to be.
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On March 15 2012 04:31 Kralic wrote:
I think having it as one thread is good enough, there will be other websites to carry the load on the news and events. I do miss Gotfrag though that was a nice site for a while, maybe MLG will do something with it, and turn it back into the FPS news site it used to be.
that won't happen, I miss the Gotfrag community too, I was on my teens when it was alive, thats one of the reasons why I come to TL.net with this.
The problem here is you're putting the cart before the horse. You create a subforum as a result of interest, not to create interest.
This topic is to discuss if the TL.net staff can handle this, what they think about the idea and so on. No matter what I read on this topic I will create coverage topics about the biggest upcoming CS events 
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On March 15 2012 04:16 jumbotroN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 03:49 Serejai wrote:
There isn't enough interest on TL to warrant an entire subforum for CS. Unlike the DOTA 2, League of Legends, and Diablo 3 subforums there aren't new heroes or character builds or anything else to discuss.
Off the top of my head... EVE, Battlefield 3, Minecraft, Maplestory, Skyrim, etc all have much, much more interest here on TL than CS 1.6 + Source + Go combined and none of them have their own subforum. There's really just no need at all for a CS subforum. well, that's mainly because those are new games, CS doesn't get too much attention here because you don't just go buy the game finish single player/get to the level cap and lose interest on it. CS as a competitive game has more topics to talk about than any of those games but you can't just simply expect it to hit if you don't have an exclusive room for it on the forums. Im sure that if we start opening topics about CS' competitive aspect it's very likely that it will atract the attention from competitive users. The idea is mostly about giving the competitive CS scene a little space in here so people interested can know exactly where to find everything about it. I've seen a decent amount of topics about top level CS matches in here, those get dumped to the last pages almost instantly because they share space with lots of sports and games in the Sports & Games section.
If people are posting in the CS threads but they "get dumped to the last pages almost instantly" it's because there isn't any interest in them. I don't really know what else to tell you.
There are quite a few avid CS players on the TL staff and I'm certain any of them would say the exact same thing. There just isn't any justification to make CS subforums.
You state that you're sure there's a large CS fanbase here... why not start covering tournaments and see what happens? As someone else stated you don't make a subforum first and then hope it fills later. This is a tried and true method to failure (see: WoW Guild subforum).
If you start covering CS events and people actually care about them you should bring this topic up again. Until then this is basically nothing more than you wanting a CS forum when there is absolutely no data to support your theory that one is needed (in fact all data currently points in the other direction).
That being said, I still feel the fact that the CS:Go thread only has 80k views shows how small the audience here on TL is. For a comparison the Path of Exile beta thread was created the same time as CS:Go and it has nearly 220k. I'm also saying this as someone who ran a CS 1.6 and CS:S server for TL for 6+ months - there was literally zero interest.
But again, if you write articles and cover events and they end up exposing a giant CS following here on TL then I would think this suggestion would hold more merit.
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well the thing is that you can get english CS coverage from so many other sites, but yeah we will see after I make some coverage topics.
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All we need on TL is one thread for counterstrike. no more
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TL is the new Gotfrag
I'd be totally down to play some 1.6 with you guys if there was a NA TL server. There's no reason CS can't have it's own section like LoL and DotA. It might not be a gigantic community, but it's still featured in IEM and ESWC, among others.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Well, start a general CS thread in S&G and if it grows sufficiently large (like lol/dota) then we can certainly consider it.
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