Also on aligulac PvT winrates are consistently in favor of protoss since nov. 2017 by like (50-55%) terran has barely any periods with above 50% win rate!
I am beating with my protoss offrace, i never practiced gms, even rank 70 highest and gm multiple times. Current mmr 5400-5600! Even in macro games! While with terran i struggle vs 4600 tos... And my terran main mmr, which i practiced 10 years, is lower than my protoss offrace i never played much (if you don't count 100 games at start of WoL and some teamgames in HOTS) nor practiced!
I beaten 140 gm zerg, after first 30 protoss games and ranked higher than after 7 years practice with terran (before mmr split)
Proxy void rush allows you to beat better players than you. And fact that protoss gets fully saturated third, when terrans just finished. Yet he is able to hold every aggression... Than from third nexus, protoss gets tech/upgrade/production/unit count lead and yet pressuring you with blink.
Also gasless mass gateway only style is OP, it takes no skill to control. You can literally f2-amove zealots and blink foward and you still win even with no micro in most cases! I beaten 5400 terran with this, after losing 15 probes to wm drops...
While game wasn't like this in HOTS at all. Terran and protoss economy was more equal. And terran could play macro game and have chance vs protoss. Now if you don't do damage with your 2 base all in, or you drops, you autolose! If you click on 6k players on kr, they have like 10-20% less win rate in TvP, than in any other matchup. It was like that for while by now!
Hope we can have constructive discussion about Protoss economy, as it is way too strong! Protoss is right now easiest race to play and most imbalanced until pro play! Even balance at top tier level of pro play and mid gm differs greatly, so keep that in mind!
Thank you for your input. Surprisingly, the graph ''1vs1 Race Distribution Over Time'' in your aligulac link shows interesting trends. It seems in the last few years, the representation of Terran in Grandmaster over the world has remained roughly stable at around 30% which would be the target for a ''balanced'' game. Howeever, since end of 2019, we see a decrease in Zerg representation and an increase in protoss representation, which could imply that the PvZ matchup is heavily Protoss favored in a way.
I'll check the data more after work, it's super interesting ! However, nice job in explaining this isn't a balance whine post and then proceed to balance whine :-(
1.You say this isn t a balnce whine post and then proceed to balance whine in the rest of the post. 2. Protoss hasn t won a premier tournament outside of NA region locked ones since Stats Asus Rog 2019 over a year ago and have by far the least Gold medals in Premier Events in the last 3 years. 3. Your ladder experience - or my one is completly irrelvant for balance as it is supposed to be balanced about the top.
4. If you played Terran for 10 years, you have improved your mechanics greatly, wich also helps your offraces. If you re so much better with P than with T, you should probably consider switching races all together. That could be pretty much, because your playstile just fits Protoss more than Terran.
5. I honestly expected this to be a Balance thread, suggesting a Protoss buf here instead, because Protoss is so insanely hard to get to the top. Also I m pretty sure "gasless mass Gateway only" is defnatly not carrying you any higher than low plat, I mean what the hell do you want to do with mass slow Zealots?
On December 02 2020 22:52 TheCheapSkate wrote: Man protoss is such an overpowered race, no wonder they have been winning all the tournaments since 2018.. wait..
The reason is they don't want their race to be nerfed, so they lose all the finals! 9000 IQ
Wow, I see no balance complaints in this post! I just see a lot of empirical, well-argued, novel observations about the Protoss race at the only level that matters, high masters/GM! I guess I should just read the post and move on, since there are no balance complaints! But somehow, the protoss economy needs discussion and is completely imbalanced, but it's not a complaint!
Don't you think that using exclamation marks for everything just sounds so much more convincing! But don't use more than one, otherwise you'll come across as desperate!
Hmm, could have been better. This does not even reach the "rock bottom" troll posts level, let alone Visions threads. Nice try though, made me chuckle once after I read a few lines and remembered you explicitly wrote that this is not a balance whine post