• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:40
CET 23:40
KST 07:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 965 users

INTREPID v1.0

Blogs > StRyKeR
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 05:44:19
July 06 2009 21:55 GMT
#1
Ever wonder Who is Who in ICCup Season x?

Ladies and gentlemen, please allow me to present this to Starcraft enthusiasts all over the world. I present it with the wish that the original Starcraft lives far beyond the inception of Starcraft 2 and that we will have many more chances in the future to utilize this tool.

I've mentioned in my previous blog posts that I've been working on an automated replay identifier. I've used Support Vector Machines and sophisticated machine learning tools to tackle this problem. However, I've re-evaluated the problem and I've come up with something simpler. I gave up trying to program a machine that is able to identify a player with 100% accuracy. It now presents a list of results that the human must interpret.

Throughout the process, romad has always been a source of inspiration, though he is probably not aware of it. He is the proof that a replay identifier is possible. Perhaps his ability to identify who's who in a replay is nothing short of genius, something akin to humans recognizing patterns in a game of Go. However, with the hopes that his ability can be turned into an algorithm, I kept myself on track.

I present to you INTREPID.

intrepid

characterized by resolute fearlessness, fortitude, and endurance

It is the INTeractive REPlay IDentifier.

Now, I do not claim that its accuracy comes anywhere near the identifying prowess of romad. In fact, it currently does pretty damn terribly.

Where it's at
=====================================================
=====================================================
>>>> INTREPID <<<<
=====================================================
=====================================================

It's in its infant stages and it works somewhat decently. Because of its inadequacies, it is currently only very good at identifying certain players.

It's quite peculiar. It's good at identifying players with very unique signatures, such as IdrA. He has an incredibly unique signature.

I am completely confident that it can detect IdrA replays. You can download the recent IdrA vs. ret replay and upload it to see the result: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/4422/replays/sleepwalker.rep.

I'll go through the process in case you're confused at the results. As mentioned earlier, the results require human analysis.

1. Upload the replay. You'll see the following.

[image loading]


2. Click Analyze to the right of SleepWalker. You'll see the following.

[image loading]


3. There are four categories. Building hotkeys, hotkey actions, hotkey spam, and hotkey assignments. Roughly speaking, each list is a list of players whose hotkeys come close to SleepWalker's hotkeys.

Building Hotkeys = assigning 1 to Command Center, 2 to Barracks, etc.

Hotkey Actions = does the player 1a2a3a or 4a5a6a?

Hotkey Spam = what sequence of hotkeys does the player love to repeat? 515251525125? or 232323232323?

Hotkey Assignments = what hotkeys are used at all by the player?

The "Total" combines all the categories into one easy-to-read list. As you can see, idra trumps all other players in similarity to SleepWalker.

Also, each player in the list is accompanied by a similarity rating.

Where does the player list come from?
I have a few thousand replays gathered mostly from TSL. I have a few dozen progamer replays that I've picked up from TL and other places. Whenever you upload a replay, it is compared to the database I have.

How to use
1) I cannot emphasize enough that in its current state, it is probably about 25-romad (in the sense that it is 25% close to romad-level detection). I don't think we can ever replace romad for accurate replay detection, but with this, a lot of unique key signatures CAN be detected with a fairly high accuracy (e.g. IdrA, TT1, and some others I found to be unique).

2) I'd say that a "Total similarity" rating of less than 0.5 is pretty much guaranteed equivalence. In the SleepWalker replay, the player Idra shows a < 0.5 total similarity to SleepWalker, strongly suggesting that SleepWalker = Idra. Furthermore, the vast majority of the top 50 results in Total is Idra.

3) I must emphasize that just because someone is at the top does not mean that the player is that someone. You must take the similarity into account. In fact, someone might take up the majority of the top 50 results in Total similarity. Even then, you cannot be certain. If the closest player's similarity rating is a 5, that's a pretty terrible similarity rating. The conclusion is that the INTREPID has no clue as to who it is.

Current problems
1) My server uses a 64-bit machine. RepASM, which I am using to analyze replays, was written for 32-bit. Therefore, some replays simply will not produce any results. You can tell because the page will finish load after pressing Analyze and you won't see anything.

2) RepASM has a few deficiencies. I cannot tell which unit is which. I have to detective work (did this unit just build an scv? then it must be the command center). Sometimes, it's impossible to determine the identity of a unit. For example, I can't tell whether a unit is a ComSat station or not because no special ability uses are recorded by RepASM. Thus, one major deficiency is that ComSat hotkeys are completely ignored.

3) I don't have enough progamer replays. In general, it improves the identifier to have more progamer replays. One reason is that the more there is for a player, the more likely it is that I have samples of different build orders. The other reason is that every player has small deviations. To have a greater sample set means that we can estimate the true "signature" of a player better.

4) I'm currently working on a much better (in theory) version of the algorithm. Stay tuned!

It is my hopes that these problems can be fixed by programmers out there. I am hoping that INTREPID is a good enough reason to motivate some coders.

*****
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
July 06 2009 21:59 GMT
#2
wow
cool
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 06 2009 22:03 GMT
#3
wow good job!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
July 06 2009 22:03 GMT
#4
haha nice! btw, what's the address of the website?;
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
July 06 2009 22:06 GMT
#5
oops, forgot to include address
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
July 06 2009 22:06 GMT
#6
This sounds really cool, nice job!
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 06 2009 22:16 GMT
#7
haha this is really cool. been playing around with it for a while now
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 06 2009 22:21 GMT
#8
Apparently my TvT hotkeys are closest to Advokate's . Although I doubt the thing's ability to predict it accurately.
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6774 Posts
July 06 2009 22:24 GMT
#9
whoa sick :o
Graphics
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
July 06 2009 22:26 GMT
#10
On July 07 2009 07:21 Sadistx wrote:
Apparently my TvT hotkeys are closest to Advokate's . Although I doubt the thing's ability to predict it accurately.

You're lucky, my hotkeys/spam were just a mixture of like every z player in the database :[
Entusman #12
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 06 2009 22:39 GMT
#11
On July 07 2009 07:26 littlechava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 07:21 Sadistx wrote:
Apparently my TvT hotkeys are closest to Advokate's . Although I doubt the thing's ability to predict it accurately.

You're lucky, my hotkeys/spam were just a mixture of like every z player in the database :[

HA HA I EVEN FOUND MYSELF IN THE DATABASE, AWESOME TOOL
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
July 06 2009 23:38 GMT
#12
hmm it looks like my hotkeys/spam are pretty generic. Interesting tool, I hope you can improve it for greater accuracy, although I don't think romad is replaceable in terms of accuracy.
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
July 06 2009 23:39 GMT
#13
sweeeeet, would you like people to share replays with you? I have 7600 replays of koreans and im sure romad has a crapload more.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
July 07 2009 00:07 GMT
#14
Hmm.. rekrul is apparently Lzgamer. Hehe. Regardless, good work, Stryker!
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
July 07 2009 00:08 GMT
#15
Cool, I found myself easily in both ZvP and PvZ so I guess that means I have a unique signature? :D
For ZvT I found myself at the top, but lots of others in between further down.

Yeah this seems cool.
God Hates a Coward
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 07 2009 00:14 GMT
#16
Awesome!~
Moderator<:3-/-<
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 00:20:55
July 07 2009 00:20 GMT
#17
apparently my replays are closest to merz's but even that's 3.5~5 so not that close >_>
Official Entusman #21
SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
July 07 2009 00:21 GMT
#18
MIT ALUMNI USA MATH OLYMPIAD KOREAN STARCRAFTERS FTW
- i pwn n00bs -
Methos
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States206 Posts
July 07 2009 00:22 GMT
#19
Amazing idea. I can not imagine how long this took.
Neon_Monkey
Profile Joined February 2008
United States270 Posts
July 07 2009 00:36 GMT
#20
Awesome system.

I score about a 1-1.5 in every aspect with David, and I don't even know who that is. >.>
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 466
JuggernautJason141
ProTech135
Nathanias 103
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16658
Shuttle 166
Hyun 106
NaDa 10
Counter-Strike
fl0m1380
byalli1029
Other Games
tarik_tv4674
Grubby4297
FrodaN1737
Beastyqt788
JimRising 509
Mew2King106
XaKoH 102
Chillindude62
ZombieGrub47
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 23
• davetesta17
• mYiSmile114
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1615
League of Legends
• Doublelift3704
Other Games
• imaqtpie2319
• Shiphtur240
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 20m
WardiTV Invitational
13h 20m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
1d 18h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-22
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.