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Something I feel I should point out due to being Qatol's pawn... The decaf coffee bit is a long standing joke with the vets about decafchicken... so it wouldn't be a clue here as that person is not playing the game. Additionally this is related with the drumstick bit, as chicken drumsticks = legs (the dark meat). As these 'clues' are too easy to match with that person I wouldn't take them to note.
The suffrage of LTT due to blood loss and glass exploding seems to strike me as more of a clue worth noting. Secondly, as no one seems to have pointed it out and perhaps doesn't know, L is the main character in Death Note series, where a kid of a police chief can write any sort of death description down in a notebook and have it happen. Glass exploding inward seems to be something improbable short of magick or sound waves at the right frequency.. perhaps someone's profile would reflect this?
I also agree that the bit about the 'horn not heard in time' would reflect against someone's profile as it sounds like a metaphor or definition for something as well as pointing out how massively alone he was, perhaps even in a deserted street far from civilization. Possibly on a road trip.
As for the death of Pyrr, perhaps something that has to do with heights or a hotel/apartment building that would contain many floors and a balcony. Pushing people, creeping with a knife, and explosions(?) were what killed folks; so yes that gives at least three mafia clues overall.
P.S.
I am rushing out to drive to Tucson so I won't be back for 10 hours and am unable to look more into my suspicions about folks, but wanted to let everyone know that I won't be inactive and give at least some pointers along my thought lines.
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On May 19 2009 00:43 Shikyo wrote:I'm not exactly sure if KTF is slumping, though... it might be a bit too far-fetched. But of course, we have to keep this stuff in mind some clues come up later that might relate to these. Still, day 1 clues are day 1 clues, so please don't draw any strange conclusions off them. + Show Spoiler [very minor Death Note spoilers] +L actually isn't the main character of Death Note; Light is. And he's not a police officer, but rather a righteous/religious school boy.
Oh yes.. thanks.. been a couple years since I watched that... got the two confused.. L is the detective character, so bleh.. I guess that was all rather irrelevant of me xD
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Okay... so first thing I wish to do is apologize to the town for my inactivity due to my move from Alb to Tucson... It went way worse than planned and didn't get internet till late last night when a friend came over and we went to see Terminator.. by the time I got back I had to get to bed to get to work in the morning.
I'm working on a clue analysis post now.. so hang on :D
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Sooo... I have heard (from Qatol)/seen(ydg and crate) people suspecting me of being the tie person... several things I can easily point out that conflict with that assessment::
• Midori (and even myself) is a girl, female.. not a "salesman" or a "close the door in the man's face" -- and yes, Pyrr (and others that read it) knows this because I made the post in the signup thread that I am a 'she'
• Midori, character in Mai HiME, uses a halberd for her weapon... not a metal bar, and as such would more likely chop off or up parts of a victim's body than beat them with the handle end
Now then... my attempt at clue analysis (as I really just skimmed the posts since there's too many to read through.. and behavioral analysis seems useless to me in a newbie game::
On May 21 2009 11:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A (1)salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man (2)swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to (3)pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
Walking through the park (4)in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to (5)search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker (6)whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where (7)vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life.
(1) Just going off others observations that flashy would relate to the user picture if they had one... the ones that stand out to me as flashy images are BWdero with all the fancy lightning and Jayme with that cat picture. Using these two people and the other clues, we can see that BWdero is a strong man in his image and could easily pry open a door against the strength of a trained body guard. Additionally he reminds me of the blind guy from Electra and those comic series that has that staff to both protect himself and move around.
Alternatively we see many synonyms for 'flashy' in Ra.Xor.2's profile ( "brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous") I also point out, and with no means of offense, that it is a very religious post.. and I'm sure we all know about the sales people that go around trying to sell their religion door to door.
(2) Swift points back to our cat image fellow, Jayme.. about all I could find here.
(3) Covered in #1
(4) Best I get here is Ra.Xor.2's profile mentioning that it isn't darkness that we should fear but the light and hence why he wouldn't have a problem killing in the night.
(5) Jayme again.. as cats like to search around in plants and whatnot (ours certainly do when outside) for various things they can get a hold of. Additionally Phelix is the name of a cat in a cartoon, so this can apply.
(6) Two people stand out to me here.. wurm and teks. wurm mentions his towel which, when wet, makes a very good and painful whip but could never kill anyone, thus needing the stomps on the back of the neck to do so. (well more like flopping around violently?) teks has the duck hero with a rope (can make a good whip) and ducks feet are a large item in the image, which helps with the stomping bit.
(7) Here again, BWdero's profile pic looks like a guy that would stomp out your existence. Goin on profile icons.. ydg is a dragoon, vx70GTOJudgexv is a firebat?, Ra.Xor.2 is also a firebat?, l10f is a zealot, iLoveKTF is a firebat?, EsbenPM a marine, and chaoser a marine; which all stomp around the battle field in SC.
People I would count out of these clues...
JeeJee -- His quotes and profile have a lot of suggestions of wanting to kill people face to face.. none of the clues thus far have even come close to that.
Koopie -- Image of a girl (Peach) from Mario.. a princess.. uses an umbrella or mushrooms to attack (smash brothers) breaking both the man rule and whipping people.
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Oh I should mention, now that I've read my post over a few more times (bad habit), that I forgot to include Phelix for #2.
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Foolishness is getting too emo about this whole thing and flaming everyone... you should give it up already.. what's done is done, nothing can be done so move on and stfu already :/
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On May 23 2009 07:01 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 06:55 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Foolishness is getting too emo about this whole thing and flaming everyone... you should give it up already.. what's done is done, nothing can be done so move on and stfu already :/ Wow that's a good mentality to have. "This guy is clearly innocent but we should kill him anyways." According to Pyrry, there are 21 townspeople left. I don't know why it's not listed as 20 since you are about as helpful to the town as a mafia member that has come out (or, if I was crate, "stupid").
""You're the one that's useless considering all you do is sit here and argue with others and try to defend a condemned guy. You don't back it up with any hardcore evidence or proof to the contrary, nor do you have any sound logic. You simply insult others intelligence because there is no evidence that your measly intellect can gather about. Amazing you're smart enough to even get on the internet."" </foolishness speak>
Oh yes.. that sounds a lot like what you'd say huh... try being useful instead of insulting and wasting our time and the space of your posts, Foolishness. It sounds quite clear from the way you defend Jayme that you're either DT and know s/he's innocent or you're his/her lover... Either way... try showing proof instead of insults.
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Also, had you bothered to read my post for what it was and not your close minded ideals of love.. you'd notice that I pointed more towards Ra.Xor than Jayme.
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Yes.. totaling the clue marks I made in my second clue-analysis post...
Ra.Xor.2 -- 4
BWdero -- 3
Jayme -- 3
Phelix -- 2
chaoser, EsbenPM, iLoveKTF, l10f, Judge, teks, wurm, ydg -- 1
If I add in those made in the first post...
iLoveKTF goes to 2 or 3
So I hope you're not mafia, Foolish.. as I haven't a clue to match to you yet. But you're hell-a annoying!
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I have no idea what's going on with the double lynch other than the town wanting to get rid of as many mafia as possible as fast as possible... I got here after that whole debate must have gone through... I admit I only followed the crown in voting so I have no real idea other than that on the stem of its origins.
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Yes, it would have been nice if Jayme had talked back and responded to this bandwagon but I guess he gave up when we realized he was mafia?
And thanks teks for the reasoning, that helps make it make sense. However, what if we keep hitting town like we did last time and only help the mafia? Would not the double lynch also serve as a double edged sword in that matter. If we just wipe out ourselves without the mafia doing anything against us then we've already lost. I'd personally like to save double lynch for when the DT's can tell us who are guaranteed mafia... or at least the second double lynch.
I mean.. sacrificing one DT for two mafia would be worthwhile right? Then mafia loses hit power and we'll be able to cause them to react, perhaps enough out of character to nab the rest of them through behavior analysis. As by then, day 4 or 5 or so, we're going to be near losing if we don't get any mafia taken down.
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Wait... whut... way to go town.. I don't think I'm following any more of these so called bandwagons since you guys clearly don't know what is suspicious or not :/
Thinking I'll just vote for whomever I suspect the most from now on.. regardless of what others do.
That means Ra.Xor.22 and iLoveKTF if anyone cares.
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On May 23 2009 13:33 iLoveKTF wrote:
@ Shikyo's accusations: I'll address it later. Im watch SKT vs KTF atm.
@ Jayme's death. Why are you guys so mad/upset about him flipping green. Its not like you suggested anyone else.
Sorry KTF, but I happened to point out a bunch of people.. albeit after I'd followed everyone else's direction because I knew they were active when I had not been and would probably know better. Additionally, during the time for which I was once again active no one defended Jayme with any grave amount of evidence to the contrary of him being accused unjustly, or I'd have changed my vote to one I had suspected.
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Wow.. there's a lot of long posts popping up now!!
First... I want to thank teks for that well laid out clue analysis, and even noting things that I had not researched.. really nice job.. just be careful the mafia doesn't get too scared of you and remove you from assisting us :/
Second... chaoser's word choices in this post stood out to me as being distant from the town, as if he was a mafia himself:
I've been active, that's the most I can do. I've offered a timetable on how much time we have, I've helped with clue analysis, I've voted. But I'm not an elected official. As an elected official you're suppose to be the HEAD OF THE TOWN. YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP. That means thinking of a game plan, branching out and trying to start up a web. Try to get in touch with a mouth. We either had a vet hit once or a medic protecting someone that first day. Those people, if they have found a mouth, should obviously work with the elected officials. The officials should be actively trying to set up a web. If you had a DT working with you guys this lynch could have been prevented. Seriously, in every other game with elected roles, the elected roles have been the MOST active. You are leaders, it's about time you acted like one.
Personally.. I would have indicated more 'ownership' to the leaders being our leaders for the town.
Now I can't match and clues to him beyond what I've already done... but I've been trying to look at how different people use their grammar and find things that stand out..Of the others I've skimmed, he stood out the most..
Just my two-cents, take it as you please.
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Oh, to add to my previous post.. teks is using grammar consistent with ownership of the town and not mafia.. as the mafia to him is a distant object.
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So just to help explain the compressed air thing.. but not to directly point at anyone..
As many of us should know.. compressed air is useful for cleaning our computers of dust, and this air, if you've ever sprayed it from upside down is VERY cold. Cold things are easier to break and shatter, especially when it is a rapid temperature change.
Additionally, compressed air (and water even) are used as cutting tools in manufacturing. Sound waves are also a form of compressed air (as was previously mentioned) and so, either method could be used to shatter class. Also, both sound and compressed air can be directional, which would help the glass of the car windshield go inward.
Another item I haven't seen noted is that it is possible to use sound of one frequency to cancel out another sound, thus the sound directed at the windshield of the car could have muted out the sound coming from the horn until that originating sound dissipated.
However, and by no means do I mean any offense... but I don't think Pyrr is one to come up with something as elaborate as this.
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As I let teks know I'm baffled by what the mafia is doing, and altogether I think we are lucky they are picking such poor targets (not to imply that they weren't helpful to the town or anything) as far as the ability for them to win the game.
I do agree that we need to be really sure with our picks for this double lynching today, and as such I'm going to do a more careful analysis of the clues this time around, at least so far as I am able. I need to think straight, and for that I need food, I will return and make an educated post on the clues presented and hopefully link it back to others.
I hope that, without revealing anything, teks will help us stay away from lynching any blues and that his clue analysis can at least subtly point out the mafia so we can finally kill one.
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Skipping the paragraph related to zeks as teks admitted it was himself that took him out. Although this could be a damn good mafia trick, I don't believe our sheriff/mayor and he could both be mafia enough to get everyone to claim their role to him.
Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he (1)heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the (2)blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he (3)couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest.
EsbenPM had spent the first two days of the mafia invasion building a stockpile of weapons he would never use. Late during the second night, he was fiddling with the trigger locks on his various shotguns while chomping on salted peas. After dinner, he went out to his garage to check on the gun racks he had just painted. Once in his garage, he reached for the switch on the wall, but (4)lights wouldn't turn on. A sudden rush of fear came over him, and he wished he had brought one of his guns with him, even a sidearm. He thought about trying to sneak back into the house, but, instead, he felt his way to a crowbar leaned against the wall. As his eyes adjusted to the darkness, he could see the (5)outline of a man. EsbenPM charged and swung with the crowbar, but his (5.5)adversary shoved it from his hands, then (6)swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him (7)instantly.
Koopie had spent years recreating her house into a scale model of Princess Peach's from Super Mario 64. She heard a knock at her giant, red front door.
"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"
The finishing touch had finally arrived, and Koopie went upstairs to watch the installation from behind the giant stained glass window that bore her image, as well as her favorite video game character's. The (8)cannon was plopped on its stone foundation, and it's barrel moved to point squarely at the face of the "princess". (9)"He couldn't possibly...." she thought, seconds before an artillery shell with a shark-like face blew Koopie and her home to smithereens.
(1) There are creatures that can make shuffling noises.. depending on the level of one's hearing. This would go with (I'm amused by this one) chaoser as he speaks of poker in his profile which deals with shuffling cards, he also mentions he's a "rekrul" which is a lurker backwards... and would use a blade that can slip in and out of the chest/body of its targets. Additionally we can point it to anyone that would have a relation to a reaver (or a shuffling worm)... this includes: JeeJee and wurm.
(2-3) Proceeding along the lines of SC images, l10f has an image of a zealot which uses its blades in an in and out motion to kill the target at chest level. I also wanted to link someone to the loss of energy from the victim, but I don't know who could do that.
(4) This clue most defiantly points to one of our ninja mafia that likes to kill in darkness, also mentions they'd be a good assassin for killing the breaker or electricity. Additionally we could see JeeJee in this with his public profile mentioning a lot about fear, which is a very likely effect of darkness and inability to bring back the light (same with Ra.Xor.2). I don't recall who the ninja and assassin folks were, but they are in these posts somewhere so someone else can help me out there :D.
(5-7) I see no point separating out these clues... they all seem to refer to a figure of a man and a strong person that gives you a quick death. Sticking these all together I remember quite clearly BWdero's image of a guy covered in lighting with a dark suit. This figure looks like he'd be well off in a dark environment as well as an obvious manly figure with the strength to shrug off an attack from a crowbar from a trained vigilante and then kill them instantly and swiftly (the lightning).
(8) Cannons are heavy! This means someone of great strength would be needed to casually plop something of that size down without a second thought. The only other member, besides BWdero yet again, that I feel could relate to being really strong is Judge as he mentions in his quote "berserker" which would be capable of such a feat.
(9) From this I get the feeling it was someone Koopie knew, and the only persons she knew from what I've heard is crate as the two of them seemed to be getting along well or whatever.
These are my thoughts for the current clues, so for now I'm placing my votes for BWdero and Ra.Xor.2 (wish I had three for chaoser as his behavioral slip still sticks out to me) unless I see something outstanding from someone else that would get me to change my vote direction.
Oh, and for quick convenience...
nick -- now (adding last time)
choaser -- 1 (2)
JeeJee -- 1 (1)
wurm -- 1 (2)
l10f -- 1 (2)
Ra.Xor.2 -- 1 (5)
BWdero -- 2 (5)
Judge -- 1 (2)
crate -- 1 (1) [[[However I fully believe crate to be medic so I won't count this for much]]]
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EDIT:: person* instead of persons in (9)
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On May 25 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:
SugiuraMidori, Black Bolt attacks with his voice, he doesn't really use any physical killing methods like punching or such.
Hmm, all right.. well I was just going based off of his image with the loads and loads of muscles xD
Confusing that a character would be so muscular if they only used their voice to kill :/
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