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 Italy also has internetz!<- giev role =) | ||
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 I'd fix that if I were you! | ||
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If I get killed by mafia now - you'll know who to lynch next day | ||
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On March 19 2008 01:39 Ace wrote: I don't understand why anyone would suspect Ghar. Even worse, BWdero why are you suspecting him just because others are? We barely have any clues, and he hasn't done anything through his posts that can target him as Mafia. Please people, lets not get into the practice of bandwagon suspicion so early. I don't think there's bandwagoning, but don't you agree that if the clues point to him at least a slight bit, then he shouldn't be elected as mayor? I know your plan forces even a mafioso mayor to work along with the town a bit - but it's ultimately still isn't a good thing, imo. But what do I know, huh? | ||
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On March 19 2008 01:46 Ace wrote: Even if they pointed to him more than slightly, at least we know what his plan is and where his logic lies. If he ever started acting out of character or illogical, ie blatantly doing something that hinders the town we'd know for sure something is fishy about him. With almost everyone else we have no idea what they are going to do. And when we have no idea what they can do or plan to do, they are less accountable and there is more room for "accidents" and "oops" moments. At least with Ghar we've got a guy thats willing to explain his actions upfront, his plan, and even has ideas of what to do in case it does not work. FAR better than what anyone else is offering right now. Except yourself? Plus you have no clues pointing at you as of yet? But you could of course still be a mafioso, I guess there's not a clue in the Day 1 post that can be (with luck or whatever) interpreted for each Mafia member. Well, this is what I like about this game, you can polish your thinking This is why I changed my vote to you, even though I'm not sure if I am right... | ||
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I wonder what effect this post has in that? Another double-feint by me posting? (or I'm just bored, sitting and typing here all day) | ||
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On March 19 2008 17:14 Evilmonkey. wrote: As stated before, I am still voting for Randombum. As stated before, you still don't vote in this thread, but in Chiuiu's blog. Q_Q Edit: goddamnm, this thread grew 18 more pages while I was sleeping. I'm not even inactive, but it hurt my head to read through all this >.< | ||
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On March 20 2008 02:14 Ace wrote: Guys seriously, stop worrying about the Double Lynches. That can do more harm than good if not used at the right time  They, however, can potentially do good - so we shouldn't just waste them by electing a mafia major, or am I missing something here? | ||
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On March 20 2008 15:07 Ace wrote: If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me? That was my question: Did a detective investigate you, found you innocent, then PM'd you? How many detectives PM'd you if they already checked you out? You obviously can't lie answering this, should you not be innocent, 'cause then one of them speaks up and you're doomed (the damage would be done anyway, but whatever, I'm fairly sure you're a townie). Also, random thoughts: I advise everyone to look at bumatlarge's posts so far. Damn, he does stir up a lot of crap (except in a few). Won't quote, that could mean being out of context - but guys, check them out. I'm (again) not implying he's mafia, he might as well be an overexcited townie as a regular TL user (no detective role-checking waste needed either). Just look out and keep an eye on him. As for Showtime: Another shitstrirrer (so is Shallow, but if you look at his usual TL posts...well...go figure) I believe both even being innocent, can cause more harm than good, so we might as well get them out of the way... Yeah I know, I made myself suspicious with this post. Why would anyone acting on the interest of the town urge to kill (maybe) innocent people without proof? Well, I thinki, as I already said that they can cause more confusion - and that's everything we DON'T need. Feel free to be suspicious of me - I didn't see a single clue pointing at me so far (nor did anyone bring up any), and I'm pretty sure you won't see any in the following day, either I might get killed by the mafia if I'm too smart though - but I doubt they'd care if Showtime and Shallow are just not-too-bright townies, and nothing else. Cheers Ace on mayor, and tough luck with the first lynch. You misinterpreted Chuiu's post a bit but that may be forgiven - you were in a haste and everyone was bugging you to carry out your plan. We make mistakes when being urged. Here's Ace's thinking from my point of view of why he didn't lynch anyone "suspicious" or "over-active" - even Empy: this should be obvious. Active contributing people are helping and revealing themselves at the same time. If you add something to discuss, you're valuable. If you fake doing it, you may become suspicious later. No need to stab a good citizen taking your chances. As for not lynching a lurker(who didn't post but only voted): Just look at what he said, guys! "If you're just a townie, you better not stir up confusion" that includes remaining silent, when you have nothing to say. It doesn't mean you're counterproductive or inactive, and even though this group has mafia members in fairly high %, if they didn't discuss activity internally, it's still not always worth it. Should Ace got it clear that inactives are getting removed / their roles redistributed, he would have lynched someone from this group, I'm sure. But he could have hit someone who just got a role of an inactive anyway. Same stab-in-the-dark chances. Sorry if this post is not really coherent, I just woke up and read through all the 10ish pages that popped while I slept. Edit: Huge wall of text critically hits you for 666. You die  Sorry guys  | ||
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On March 20 2008 17:13 Alventenie wrote: Honestly Naib, if a townie was lurking, they aren't adding anything. They should post, even if its just to say they like Ace's plan, agree with the questions being asked about it, mostly because it shows them posting. As said before in another post, Townies naturally will be telling the truth (or i hope so, they have nothing to hide), while Mafia will be trying to lie and appear to be telling the truth. Eventually the lies will catch up to them and they will be caught. That's a valid point, but if that townie has a blue role (may it be not THAT important, but imo every blue is important) he might cling to it as a baby, and be afraid to post in order to not reveal himself by some accident, or even getting into the spotlight of the mafia. That's another thing to consider. Again, I don't support this behaviour, but we need to think with the other people's heads! It doesn't matter how 'gosu' in this game Ace is, if he can't project the likely actions of 'lesser-qualified' (ie more inexperienced in Mafia games) people, may it be mafioso or townie. | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote: It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. | ||
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@ French_Toast: 4 pool is easily countered even when not scouted properly at today's standards. On March 21 2008 05:36 Lysithea wrote: Why are people waiting for a dt to confirm? Wasn't the whole point that if no dt/bg speak up against Ace's townmanship he's considered legit? Only thing we're waiting for is for the dts to have ample time to be sure they've done their thing. How long we wait is up to the masses I guess. Because some people clearly didn't read that post where it was explained, or misunderstood it. So maybe there's need for more reiteration. Next random topic popping up: I think as Ace put it, we waited enough for a detective to speak up and prove his innocence. It might sound as a gamble if we believe they have done so, and didn't speak up according to plan so Ace is innocent - since there's always a chance they missed posts for 2 days straight, didn't agree with the plain due to plain selfishness or didn't know that they can use their role anytime. But as Ace said that, we're as good as dead in this case. Another note worth mentioning about this topic, since the 2 days (I assume Chuiu meant game-days, not "real" days, he'll correct me if I'm wrong I guess) that he'll redistribute the blue roles off of inactive people. But that's not done yet! So if we PM our roles now to Ace, as a townie, out of our best interest - it might still cause problems! What if I was a mere townie, just PMed Ace, then a few hours later I would have to be like "oh, hehe X was inactive, I got his Jack role, now count me in as Jack." He could believe I'm not lying then it would be fine, or it could be just a mafia ploy for even more confusion. Of course Ace's plan has holes, but why would he post every possible hole? It's enough to post holes that you know the solution for, so you can lure the mafia into your trap Let their heads ache and may all of them act out of desperation by the sound of the new plan - even if it's not an insta-win of course. But we really do need a strategy (sad for those that don't get it and act selfish, like some of the above - just lynch them along with shit-strirrers I say, problem solved! This is no democracy!) | ||
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Oh and Shallow: ur mum ;( See: the above one-liner is the quality of most of your posts made here. And it's not only me noticing / saying (Hell, it's not even only about Mafia but TL in general, just look around). Maybe everyone on the road is going on the wrong side...but maybe it's you? /derailment off Can't wait to see who dies when they day arises...That'll be how much hours approximately from here on? | ||
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On March 21 2008 08:19 Falcynn wrote: TBH mafia is originally supposed to be played without any clues and you usually win using strategies like what we're using (ok...not really like them, but close enough). Clues are only used for large internet games where it's hard to personally get to know people and understand their character. Now it hits me! That's why this game was so familiar yet so new. I've played it offline couple o' dozen times, once at a long chess-competition (at night after the day's matches, instead of resting). It's hella fun. | ||
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