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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-01 22:31:03
February 01 2008 19:31 GMT
#1
The short version:

The blog ratings at http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/ are much more meaningful now. Assuming people vote sanely, the best blogs (Hi Plexa!) will be up top.


Technical stuff:

It now uses IMDB's rating system (Bayesian estimate). There's still room for improvement (it might be better to do this for each blog entry, and take the average of those, I'm not sure).

weighted rank (WR) = (v*R + m*C)/(v+m)

v = number of votes
R = average rating
m = essentially the minimum votes required to be taken seriously in the ranking (currently 10)
C = site-wide average rating

m is a silly little thing, you can read some discussion about it here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=507508

If you're curious, C is currently 3.44 (out of 5). IMDB's is 6.7/10, so clearly TL blogs are slightly better than movies.

Update: I made it so you can't vote on your own blogs (sorry :p). C is now 3.29. 475 out of 495 of the self-ratings were 5's.
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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-01 20:07:06
February 01 2008 20:05 GMT
#2
Hmm, this is a pretty nice feature, but a few individuals are ruining the full enjoyment for all (I.e. - the mysterious rater who dishes out 1/5 on every blog entry).

Is it possible to track down these raters? I mean, of course there are bound to be 1 star ratings once in a while, but I think it would be easy tell the intentions of the rater when something like 10 entries in a row receive a 1 within seconds of each other.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-01 21:35:50
February 01 2008 21:34 GMT
#3
Ideally at some point we'll take into account each user's voting habits, but I haven't looked into good ways to do that yet.

We can't just use their average because a lot of folks rate all 1s and 5s, and they may balance out. I never really liked the math behind statistics, so I'm open to suggestions.

And I know who the mystery man is, just hoping it's a bug. Otherwise he has some serious issues (I deleted his 800+ 1 ratings yesterday and he's made 30+ more already).
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
February 01 2008 22:09 GMT
#4
On February 02 2008 06:34 SonuvBob wrote:
And I know who the mystery man is, just hoping it's a bug. Otherwise he has some serious issues (I deleted his 800+ 1 ratings yesterday and he's made 30+ more already).


Wow, that'd be a lot of time spent dishing out 1's
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Meat
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands3751 Posts
February 02 2008 00:06 GMT
#5
Very nice updates!

Btw semioldguy, SonuvBob has direct access to the database so he probably was able to do it in a couple minutes
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
February 02 2008 00:56 GMT
#6
I think he was talking about the mystery man who was giving out 1s, unless it's SonuvBob who has a vendetta against high rated blogs.
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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
February 02 2008 01:01 GMT
#7
very cool, thanks
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 02 2008 15:01 GMT
#8
On February 02 2008 06:34 SonuvBob wrote:
Ideally at some point we'll take into account each user's voting habits, but I haven't looked into good ways to do that yet.

We can't just use their average because a lot of folks rate all 1s and 5s, and they may balance out. I never really liked the math behind statistics, so I'm open to suggestions.

And I know who the mystery man is, just hoping it's a bug. Otherwise he has some serious issues (I deleted his 800+ 1 ratings yesterday and he's made 30+ more already).

Peace~
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
February 02 2008 15:21 GMT
#9
Nice!~
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Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
February 02 2008 15:32 GMT
#10
i think animenewsnetwork uses some system to weigh less for people who only rate super high and super low, not sure how it works though...
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 02 2008 16:00 GMT
#11
<3 bob
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
February 02 2008 17:25 GMT
#12
This is freaking awesome, thanks SoB
Do your best, God will do the rest.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
February 02 2008 19:10 GMT
#13
On February 03 2008 00:32 Aepplet wrote:
i think animenewsnetwork uses some system to weigh less for people who only rate super high and super low, not sure how it works though...

Looks like they won't divulge their method (so people can't figure out how to abuse it).

There's basically three voting patterns that skew the results:

1. People who are essentially "too nice" - always voting high (no 1's or 2's). Not a serious problem, but they raise the ratings of all the blogs they vote on, essentially lowering the blogs they don't read or vote on. Same with people who always vote low.

I think at least at some point IMDB took this into account, normalizing each user's votes.

2. People who always vote 5 for things they like and 1 for things they hate, figuring their vote will carry more weight.

This is easily detectable - if the standard deviation is close to 0 (always one particular number) or 2 (all 1's/5's) for a user with more than a handful of votes, we can give their votes less weight.

3. Malicious users. Same as #2, except they tend to vote down all of a user's posts.

These are easy to detect, but I'm not sure what to do with them. I guess we could have a voting ban or something.
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mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
February 02 2008 16:06 GMT
#14
Dammit, I was enjoying my #6 spot. ;;
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