EPTI'd like to /in as a newbie. I do have some mafia experience on the internet but I would not say that I am an experienced player.
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beentheredonethat
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I'd like to /in as a newbie. I do have some mafia experience on the internet but I would not say that I am an experienced player. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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a. The setup calculation looks very difficult. Am I right that always 2 blue town roles will be included vs. 3 scummers among which are two power roles? b. The setup will not be known to the players, correct? (Edit - the game has not started so I assume that it's cool to do it) - the themed roles are a great read  | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Thank you for the answers . | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town. However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts: On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote: his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: BOI I GOT THIS lmaoo this is actually pretty tru  that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more. I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm veteran or mafia veteran or mafia or mafia veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum. ##vote MoosyDoosy | ||
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beentheredonethat
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1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT. That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote: I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote: My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 05 2016 02:21 Jealous wrote: Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. | ||
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It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT. As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to: Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely. I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high. My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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I will place my vote on thekushmountains for that purpose. Please note that my real life issues will probably continue for the next 24 hours, so do not expect great activity from my side. Sorry, again. Good night everyone. ##vote nnn_thekushmountians | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Contrary to day one, we actually had two wagons forming, one on emperorchampion and one on kushmountains. For some time, it was a rather close call (4 votes vs. 4 votes), and EC himself plus Jealous where responsible for the final hammer on thekushmountains. Jealous IMHO is still a townie although I'm feeling a bit paranoid about the blank pass I gave him thus far. Not enough to not townread him though. We have had only two wagons. So I say we lynch emperorchampion the next day and we'll learn a LOT: if he flips scum, we can be pretty sure that at least two, maybe all three scummers have voted the thekushmointains train. There was noone (besides kush himself) who voted outside of the wagons which makes me assume that this lynch wagon was actually a scum vs. town wagon. If there is a vigilante in, I strongly suggest to kill emperorchampion this night. Superbia already did this but then said it's a bad idea - I don't think it's a bad idea. Emperorchampion has the highest chance to flip scum out of everyone who's currently playing this game IMHO. Also, what about blkCoffee? Having someone in who's potentially lurking can be (and is!) detrimental for town. It's the second time he did not vote nor is he participating. Will we see a flip any time soon? A replacement? | ||
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beentheredonethat
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"if he flips scum, we can be pretty sure that at least two, maybe all three scummers have voted the thekushmointains train" -> if he flips town. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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-> if he flips scum. I'm just messing up my thought process. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked. So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor. | ||
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On June 10 2016 16:07 Superbia wrote: framer/cop/doc is not possible Why should that not be possible? If you are right, Moosy is scum. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Is it true that some setups such as cop+doctor are not possible? Actually that would make things doable for town. If Moosy gets lynched, I will be shot at night. If I get lynched and flip, Moosy can still be lynched next day. Still tough game to win but doable. | ||
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On June 10 2016 16:35 Superbia wrote: The world you're selling is impossible with moosy being the town cop. You're not reading properly. I am doc. If what you say is right then Moosy is scum because I am doc. I hope the host will clarify the issue soon. Read this post: On June 10 2016 16:22 beentheredonethat wrote: I am not exactly sure if I understand this. But if you're right I am really wondering why the host of a newbie game would give an advantage about setup knowledge to experienced players. Is it true that some setups such as cop+doctor are not possible? Actually that would make things doable for town. If Moosy gets lynched, I will be shot at night. If I get lynched and flip, Moosy can still be lynched next day. Still tough game to win but doable. It outlines my thought about the situation with Moosy being a scum fake claimer. | ||
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