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disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 12 2016 20:53 GMT
#4
/in
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 12 2016 21:40 GMT
#10
Oh god, what have I done. I needed to read some roles like 5 times. xD
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 12 2016 23:45 GMT
#21
so. first we have 24 hours to wifom each other into trying to figure out how will pick hight/low numbers?
Then we have another 24 hours to try and figure out who might or might now go for certain roles?

Is this game the holy grail of WIFOM?
Might ask a few questions about some of the roles later / tomorrow.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 14:11 GMT
#43
On January 13 2016 12:21 Tictock wrote:
/in

No promises


Tunneltock and Waffleboy are united once more, what other promises would I need? <3

On January 13 2016 21:56 Superbia wrote:
/in


Oh hai. I remember you being in the first game I played here. Long time no see.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 14:17 GMT
#45
On January 13 2016 23:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Welcome back Superbia <3

And you resolved to not be waffleboy after Dark Tournament hehe xD


That is a bold strategy, Half the Sky.
Let's see if it pays off for me.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 14:25:04
January 13 2016 14:24 GMT
#46
On January 13 2016 05:45 GreYMisT wrote:
ADDITIONAL PREGAME INFORMATION.

Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.


Am I at a disadvantage because of that?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 14:32 GMT
#48
On January 13 2016 23:28 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 23:17 disformation wrote:
On January 13 2016 23:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Welcome back Superbia <3

And you resolved to not be waffleboy after Dark Tournament hehe xD


That is a bold strategy, Half the Sky.
Let's see if it pays off for me.


Who needs waffles? I really want to give you the gift of spam, but it's too bad I can't mislynch HTS in this game. xD

(In actuality I don't want to get caught out potentially playing two games at once.)


Yeah, playing two games at once can be pretty tough. I am trying very hard to avoid this situation.

Also in all fairness: this isn't probably the best game to try and annoy ppl, when there are tons of roles that have either KP or can mess with ppl really hard otherwise.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 14:51 GMT
#52
On January 13 2016 23:32 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 23:24 disformation wrote:
On January 13 2016 05:45 GreYMisT wrote:
ADDITIONAL PREGAME INFORMATION.

Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.


Am I at a disadvantage because of that?


Random video with a reference to one of his former games Chrono Trigger. I think the answer to this question is no.

I didn't play in Chrono Trigger though, I would just pay attention to whatever role PM we dish out. If you have a question about your role after you get it, just hit us up in PM land/Steam.

edit - Actually in general - if there are ANY roles that are not clear to you (the PYP or the Mysterious Challenger) this is the time to address those things before draft.


Aside from there being tons of roles that sound way too complicated for me, I think I got it.
Pretty sure I'll mess up the numbers thing and get Mysterious Challenger anyway, cause I end up as the last pick or something. xD

Eh, actually got some questions:
  1. What happens when more than 6 ppl get Mysterious Challenger? Can Mysterious Challenger Roles be in the game multiple times or are the Mysterious Challenger roles taken out of the pool once somebody gets one. E.g. 3 ppl get a Mysterious Challenger role, first one gets the Shovel Knight, so only 5 remain for the next guy and so on?
  2. Will there be a notification/post/whatever if one of the two mafia teams gets wiped out?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 14:52 GMT
#53
Oops. Ignore the first question. Found that in the OP. xD
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 13 2016 22:55 GMT
#73
Ah while we are talking about Werner:
(You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done

This means this ability can only be used during the first 24hours of a day cycle?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 13:16 GMT
#82
What are redirection abilities? The only one that comes to mind is the one from Artorias where he can "swap" ppl?
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 14:10 GMT
#85
While we are at Yu Narukami:

The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night


Lovers means: if one of them dies both die?

The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up).


Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 14:27 GMT
#86
You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V

V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"


Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 14:55 GMT
#88
On January 14 2016 23:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 23:10 disformation wrote:
While we are at Yu Narukami:

The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night


Lovers means: if one of them dies both die?

The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up).


Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role?


(1) Lovers - this is correct.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

I'd recommend in general newer players when you enter themed games, mafiascum wiki can be your friend on the basics.

(2) Arbitrary vote manipulation. They are not attributed to specific players. It shouldn't affect remaining players unless the conditions specifically say "the lynch is decided between you and the target" - "or duel lynch mechanics" - which is the exact same thing.


2) this means you just pull a ton of votes out of nowhere and put them on yourself and the target? I call election manipulation strats.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 15:13 GMT
#92
Mirror Man! (Catastrophe Mafia)
Before the end of Day 1, you must select a player. You will use your mirror powers to redirect all abilities that target that player to yourself.However, you are no mere mirror boy, you are Mirror Man! In addition to this redirect, you will also invert all abilities redirected to you. These abilities will do the opposite of their normal ability. Some abilities do not have opposites. If your target dies at any point in the game, you will be asked to pick a new one. Your selection will take effect the following phase. When you make your first selection, your target will be told: “A Mysterious Challenger approaches! You have been selected to choose his powers. Select a role for the player from the master list of roles. If you choose a role that has already been chosen, the player will randomize another role from the Mysterious Challenger list. You may not pick a role for this player that you have.” This message will confer no ability on that person to give you a power.

Right back-atcha!


Seems like the power picker text was copy pasted into the mirror man.

On January 14 2016 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 22:57 kitaman27 wrote:
In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song.


Does this serve any purpose?


It does. The question is whether we can trust you if you were to draft that role


I thought that was a joke ability.

On January 14 2016 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 23:27 disformation wrote:
You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V

V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"


Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too?


Each ability specifies the condition when you can use it: V1 - "this cycle", or once that day/night cycle; V2, at night; V3, specific time during the day; Titan 2, specific time of day and not day 1; Atlas, send the request in at night and upon the daypost you get your QT with the people you requested.

In general, we tried our best to be as specific as possible with the how and the when of these roles, unlike most normal, there is a lot of stuff that can get used during the day or is expendable for an entire day and night cycle. There are restrictions on some abilities and do bear in mind for balance purposes some of this is possible so that both factions can use that, that is a key thing in PYP.


Yeah, I was a bit confused cause it said used during the night in the beginning as I highlighted, but thanks for clarifying how ze glorious rockets vork.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 19:40 GMT
#100
On January 15 2016 04:25 Rels wrote:
Yo folks excited to play
I would prefer this to start Monday so I have time to properly read the op before the role picking day


Yeah, Monday would be great, give me a bit more time to fix RL stuffs.

If the Mysterious Challenger is picked voluntarily, the selector can designate ½ of the options that he does not want, and the role he gets will be randomized between the remaining roles. Roles that have already been selected from the list will be removed from the list. If for some reason all of the roles get removed from the list, all roles will be added back to the list.


If I was to select the Mysterious Challenger can I select up to 1/2 the options or does it have to be 1/2?
E.g. could I only exclude one of the roles from the pool?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 20:02 GMT
#103
On January 15 2016 04:45 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
can I have a pizza with coke?


Do you see "A Pizza with Coke" on the role list?


Fixed.
The Coke didn't exactly fit on the list, though. Also only a few slices, the list is slightly smaller than expected. Hope this is still acceptable.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 20:32 GMT
#107
On January 15 2016 05:26 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 05:02 disformation wrote:
On January 15 2016 04:45 GreYMisT wrote:
On January 15 2016 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
can I have a pizza with coke?


Do you see "A Pizza with Coke" on the role list?


Fixed.
The Coke didn't exactly fit on the list, though. Also only a few slices, the list is slightly smaller than expected. Hope this is still acceptable.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


B for effort, you didnt even turn the coke on its side, allowing it to better fit on the role list


Fair enough and good point. Should have tried to find another picture of a coke or something.
Wish I had mad skills in photoshop or something. xD
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 14 2016 21:00 GMT
#109
On January 15 2016 05:52 Keirathi wrote:
Or...you could have just made the role list rectangle bigger???


Hmmm... nah. I don't think that would make this piece of art an adequate depiction of the struggle buried deep insides GlowingBear's chest over his inner commotion about there not being a pizza and coke on this role list. You know the profoundness of this struggle being as real as it gets.
Which is also the reason for me electing to paint the pizza and coke in a vastly different style than the role list. To further highlight the cold hard truth in a simplistic black and white, while painting GlowingBear's fantastic desires in vibrant colours.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 14:48:43
January 15 2016 14:38 GMT
#114
More great questions:

If someone dies during the day phase, e.g. via shovel knight, one of werners rockets, whatever. Does his vote still count? Or does it get removed cause dead ppl have no voting rights? If their vote does not count, do they have a lobby for that?

Alchemist:
  1. edit: can I use the poison ability more than one timing during a night cycle? E.g. I poison disformation and then decide to use the antidote on disformation during the same night phase. Can I poison someone else during that night phase?
  2. Does the poisoned target die exactly after 48 hours, or will he die/flip at the end of the current phase when the poison hits?
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