EPT(my second game here, so i think i "qualify" as a newbie)
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Barakos
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(my second game here, so i think i "qualify" as a newbie) | ||
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Barakos
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I'm here now and almost done to catching up. First thoughts: I like breschke pushing/tunneling sl, to prevent him from being lazy. Makes breschke look town in my eyes. What I didn't like was disformations filter. All he has done so far is posting fluff and agreeing to people but not contributing in any form, except a very weak and non-commiting push on bm for lurking. And then there are these 2 posts: On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote: Uh... so let me try this... The italic part says a good towny is up to talk about things happening in the thread and does not be too super defensive if someone else calls him scum. He is open and active and tries to get people to talk in order to find scum. And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard. Still super cryptic stuff. At least I had something to think about for a bit. xD On May 22 2015 09:01 disformation wrote: Uh. Didn't realize the Mafia QT would be open since 24h either. Otherwise I would have said something about his cheap read. xD Still not seeing a lot to lynch sicklucker though. I kinda expected him to post "lol didn't read" stuff regardless of his alignment anyway. Though he was super eager to paint himself townie: Solid town read on Tictock for now. Asking all the questions I wish I had asked. xD I agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims. In the bolded parts, he explains what good townplay should look like, and what he would like to have done. And that is all he does... he explains and doesn't follow up with anything, that would be good townplay... he just shows, that he knows, what town should do but does actually nothing. But since he shows, that he knows, what good townplay looks like, he is still "looking good" and tries to give the impression, that he is town but just hasn't had the opportunity to really do stuff. So for now my vote is on him. ##vote disformation | ||
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Barakos
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And what do you get out of Tictocks response to your writing? | ||
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Barakos
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@Rels: you're right, there are several people, who didn't do much but disformation was the first i noticed and he is the only one, who is trying to passively hint at being town with all his talk about what town should do. that's why he is more suspicious to me, than 27nb or bm. Although 27nb deserves a closer look for this strange "i see a bus"-play, which will have to be explained, once he/she has returned. | ||
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Barakos
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On May 22 2015 19:11 KelsierSC wrote: ～ Vote Count ～ sicklucker (2) : Breshke, batsnacks, plotspot (2) : Bill Murray, Tictock Bill Murray (2) : disformation (1) : Barakos 27ninjabunnies (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : Not voting (6) : 27ninjabunnies, boxerfred, disformation, plotspot, scott31337, sicklucker Currently, sicklucker is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 36 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. pretty sure breschke switched his vote to disformation | ||
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Barakos
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@boxer: you need to try and find either a person you think is mafia (for example, because he disrupts the thread or doesn't contribute in a constructive way at all, etc...) and then obviously put your vote there (while giving reasons, etc...) or - if you are completely unsure of your own reads and don't want to call somebody mafia on your own - you need to find someone trustworthy and follow their lead and vote with them... The second option of course is pretty risky, since you can't trust anybody at this point in the game, so chances are, you are following a mafiaplayer, who is just really good at acting town. | ||
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Barakos
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His filter consists mostly of one-liners with not that much contend outside of defending himself vs breshkes push, which is kinda expected. The thing in his filter, that looks a bit suspicious is the way he attacked you and me because our posts were 6 minutes apart and yours contained a comment on my post. He just dropped in basically said "you two are mafia together and plan your posts in your qt" and drops out without any form of questions or followup. Didn't like that at all. Especially since he doesn't even directly say "you two are mafia and are making plans together", which would be a valid accusation, someone could track back to him. He does it subtly without commiting to his suspicion and that's kinda putting me of. He'll have to anser to that, once he returns. The other thing is, that he soft-defends bm at several occasions, saying bm is a troll and lynchbait and that's something I agree with.. bm is kind of unreadable for me at the moment, so lynching him at this point would be a coinflip. | ||
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Barakos
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soo... could you elaborate on your townread on sulfuras? I find nothing in his filter, that makes me say "top town". | ||
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Barakos
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Might have been an ok-ish read at the time, he wrote his answer. He just hasn't done anything since and the evidence he posted also doesn't hold up (see disformations post on bms accusations towards him). Speaking of disformation: Why do you disagree with my push on him? Granted: His case on you looks better than anything he did before but still i get the feeling, that his mindset is more focussed on looking towny than doing actual town-work. | ||
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On May 22 2015 23:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: I just thought he was town for what he has been posting and questioning. Though, I am reconsidering on this. If you see my above post. Idk, that's just super weird. So your read on him changed on a connection you think you saw between him and boxerfred and since you suspect boxer, you now also suspect him, too? | ||
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Barakos
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On May 22 2015 23:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: My read hasn't changed. I'm reconsidering. Still think he is town. I don't necessarily understand your push on him, something I have to reread. I do want to see BF's response to why he suddenly switch his vote. So the way I'm looking at it in my head is this: BF as newb mafia votes on BM just to be voting on someone...tlaks a bit, doesnt really push on BM, then mafia partner comes out with a case on me (town), and BF is like, ooo this looks good. Lets unvote, and go with mafia partner here. Im a video mafia player. I try and see connections between people because we don't do flips. And i see a connection there. ok - fair enough... if you got any questions about my case - fire away. I'll be on my way home from work now and be available again in about 30m | ||
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Barakos
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On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote: @Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum? He already switched votes to bm. But I can see, how someone could miss this, given that sulfurus already got 5 posts. :p | ||
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Barakos
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On May 23 2015 01:54 disformation wrote: @Barakos: Besides me, who else do you read as scum and/or are you willing to lynch. And please explain why.  Also: If you have any other questions for me, feel free to ask. Besides you there would be sl, depending on how he returns to the thread. If you read my conversation with rels, you'll find the reasons for that. Other than that, there are still the inactives, but lynching into inactives feels too coinflippy. I would never lynch breschke or rels today. also tictock seems quite towny. @bats: care to answer to my question about your reads, you got out of reactions to your poetry? | ||
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Barakos
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On May 23 2015 02:59 batsnacks wrote: Baraka's response to my moon lake poems is interesting. I wonder why out of all the bs going on at the beginning of the game he singled out mine when I even followed up on my bs. Dunno, what you mean by singling out.. i was just curious about what you would read out of it and am now a bit dissappointed, that your only reads out of it are some townpoints for answering. sounded like one could hope for more. but then again as you wrote, maybe you just mixed up the names? | ||
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Barakos
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just woke up and reread. Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there. But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?" Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch. Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see. Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off. My vote stays on him, since there is very little positive stuff to read out of his filter and I am quite sure he is a better lynch than any of the inactives. (Just as a sidenote, at this point I am still against lynching into the inactives, since they all feel coinflippy to me and there is a chance there will be more activity later on) Other things that come into mind: @plotspot: Holy shit! Never lynching you atm, but I am afraid of what will happen, once you get caught up to the thread and do an analysis of more than a few hours of game-time. o0 This looks all like an awful lot of work. No wonder, you complained about how much effort you have to put into that game. I obviously like your conclusion, since your vote is, where my vote is too, but you really need to get up-to-date with your reading and votes, since a lot has happened since then... @batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1 post 2 are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes. To sum up my standpoint: Not lynching today: Breshke, Tictock, plotspot Possibly lynches: sl, batsnacks (although based on batsnacks vote, i think they are not both scum) Want to lynch: disformation | ||
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Barakos
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Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip? | ||
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On May 23 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: I am still lurking though I should be asleep... I understand your conflict here, I've seen a lot of argument in these games against lynching inactive people and your notion of it being a coinflip makes sense from a theory standpoint. My problem is that reality does not match theory. In reality this notion makes it a good scum play to stay inactive D1. Town is likely to jump on each other early on and mafia can stay away while accusations are made and people build cases for them. In my last game there was a clearly inactive guy I voted for D1 and he did in fact flip scum when town followed through D2. So my advice, and what I am trying to do here, is to not focus on the fact that there is little content by the inactive players and instead focus on what they HAVE posted. Is there enough in the ~5 posts by those players to convince you they are town? I get that logic... what i am/was asking was just, if there isn't any case on the more active people, that looks more convincing than the case on for example scott... since you know - variance... looking not good in 5 posts is not as telling as looking not good in 5 pages. | ||
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