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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 03 2014 01:23 GMT
#41
/in
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 05:32 GMT
#83
Fuck I thought this started tomorrow.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 05:38 GMT
#84
lol technically it is tomorrow.

So what's good?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 05:52 GMT
#85
Nah I'm tired. Bye.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:15 GMT
#333
Just got off work, rereading.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:31 GMT
#338
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


BH always does this, ergo you can't draw conclusions about his alignment using plays that he makes regardless of alignment.

Please don't push scumslips because they are the worst heuristic in the history of the universe.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:33 GMT
#342
On October 07 2014 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Are we really talking whether or not I "slipped" that there are 3 mafia in a 14 player game? Again? Do we have to do this every time?


This.

This is an incredibly dumb statement. If BH is actually scum, this is most certainly not why.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#343
On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


exactly 0 accountability.


What angle are you working here, exactly?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:43 GMT
#348
On October 07 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
when are you going to do anything obi?


What are you saying? I'm clearly doing stuff right now.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:44 GMT
#349
On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


exactly 0 accountability.


What angle are you working here, exactly?


I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash.


So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:49 GMT
#353
On October 07 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
when are you going to do anything obi?


Looking over this statement again, I'm starting to think this line was stolen directly from my modus operandi in Werewolf.

Why exactly did you ask me this? What exactly are you expecting from me in terms of "doing anything" when I've only been in the thread for like 10 minutes or so?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 06 2014 23:59 GMT
#356
On October 07 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


exactly 0 accountability.


What angle are you working here, exactly?


I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash.


So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated?


nailed it


Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:18 GMT
#360
On October 07 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:41 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.


exactly 0 accountability.


What angle are you working here, exactly?


I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash.


So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated?


nailed it


Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated.


If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good.

It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct


The issue isn't that you called it a bad strategy, because it is. The issue is that you said he could only be scum for suggesting such a strategy, which is factually incorrect.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:25 GMT
#362
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:36 GMT
#365
Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around?

This question goes both ways.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:41 GMT
#370
I really don't understand your angle here.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 00:45 GMT
#373
Ba dum tish.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 01:45 GMT
#379
On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.


I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 02:40 GMT
#382
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.

Bleed towniness.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 02:55 GMT
#384
On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.


What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.


I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.


Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.


So what's so important about his reaction?

You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important.
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