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On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote: It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote: Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me. Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone. 2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote: I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible. Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles. And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention. I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...) loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie. | ||
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That was just a last comment on how he said he isn't doing things he considers what "mafia would be doing". Not being typically mafia in ways he describes himself does not make him townie in my point of view. If I'm wrong and he is townie, he can proof that by making positive posts, not by not making negative posts. I might have detected some strategies he tried (sometimes succesfully), so I'm eager to see everyone's reactions. (I hope this is more clear) | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:20 Superbia wrote: People pushing on people helps me find mafia. Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given. This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia. That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things. | ||
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This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information | ||
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I'm new to this and like criticism. (even though you might be mafia and mislead me. Which if you do and I detect it might give reasons to call you mafia, if you don't I have more good vibes. Win-Win) | ||
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@loafery how about answering some of these questions? or: If you dislike only you being questioned, why not ask us? There is the most content about you, yes, but there still is quite some about others, I'd like to see you comment about things not concerning yourself to see what you think about everyone else. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:41 Rad wrote: Pushing for information and reactions is good. Fast bandwagons are suspicious and there's almost always a ton of information to be had from them. I'm curious Elvis, what do you have against Loaf playing the newbie card when you yourself are playing it now. I didn't really want to play the "newbie card" myself here, that wasn't intended. I was just really really confused as what he meant by that (which he said now so that's good). I'm not quite sure about Superbia's alignment yet but the recent post seem more clear thus less scummy. A thing I try on focussing at the moment: On October 08 2014 07:41 Rad wrote: Fast bandwagons are suspicious and there's almost always a ton of information to be had from them. Isn't information exactly and almost only what we want? We want people to explain themselves about as difficult of themes as possible so we can detect scum indicators. If we ask easy questions, we get easy answers. For me right now, since it's still early, pushing and bandwagoning is not done in order to quickly push an idea of mine and lynch quickly, but mostly to get everyone talking on something we can guess their alignment from. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote: Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given. This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia. That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things. I don't know why everyone is like "He's pulling the newbie card", I was merely trying to say how i was uncertain about this not quite usual situation. I'll avoid using "newbie things" more in the future. | ||
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##Unvote Since even though loaf doesn't seem very townie most of his things might just be weird in general and not weird in a sense that he would actively work against town. More on that will come later. Will try to focus on other people for now as time is running low and so far I don't think loaf is gonna get lynched Day1. | ||
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I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: Breshke He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person. This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide. Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --.  loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above. | ||
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